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#1. Re: [E36M3] Finding a car's production date? - from ChuckBrazeau@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:12:51 -0400 From: ChuckBrazeau@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Finding a car's production date? D'oh! I guess that's why i couldn't find the info... the previous owner was involved in an accident on the driver's side (door and quarter panel have been repainted), so there's no sticker at all now. Oh well. Thanks! ChuckBrazeau.com -----Original Message----- Subj: Re: [E36M3] Finding a car's production date? Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 4:49:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> To: ChuckBrazeau@aol.com, E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> On the sticker on the driver's side door jamb. Jim Bassett
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#2. Re: Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 - from Michael
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:42:24 -0400 From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> Subject: Re: Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 Lol, ok, that sounds more like it. Without knowing the setup on his I prepared race car, it is very possible that the E-46 M3 could be a second or so faster due to the higher HP. BUT, if his IP car is prepped to the rules, including cams, big brakes, coil overs up front and at the minium weight, no way will a E-46 M3 stay even close, I would even say that a M3 with suspension mods would not stay close. It just weighs too much and would only have about 20-30hp more than the IP E-36 M3, so again, laws of physics come into play. Also, dont forget, the suspension etc on both cars are about identical, nothing new or radical on the E-46. It is just a redesign of the E-36 design with new sheet metal. Stiffer but same basic setup. Add several hundred pounds, just a bit more HP to make up for that in a straight line, you get an E-46. Braking and cornering advantages will always go the lighter car. But I would still take an E-46 M3 over an E-36 for a daily driver any day. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com> To: <95m3ltw@charter.net>; <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 I appologize to ALL. My wires were crossed! Ok, (Huge mistake on my part). Navid did 1.5 seconds faster NOT 15 seconds faster at Thunderhill Raceway in the E46 M3 v. I-Prepared E36 M3. I read that someone tested the stock E46 at the Nurbergring and beat a stock? E36 M3 by 15 seconds. That is a MUCH longer course and could make up that time. I applogize again for my misinformation, I thought that sounded fast when I heard it too. Sorry, Jason ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> Sent: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:24:32 -0400 To: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com>,"E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:08 PM Subject: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 > Navid Khangi (a decorated club racer) has an race prepared > E36 M3 and has been racing that for years. He times his > laps at various tracks, and recently purchased an E46 M3. > He drove BOTH cars at Thunderhill Raceway in Northern- > California and if I remember correctly, beat the lap time > of his race prepared E36 M3 by 15 or 17 seconds. I have to ask, where did you get your information? are you sure you heard it right? 15 secs? There is NO WAY he beat his lap time of an E-36 by 15-17 seconds. Maybe hundreths, not seconds. If so, he would have been able to lap an entire club racing field, including B & D mod cars which is not going to happen with a stock E-46 M3, the mod cars have more power, weigh less etc. Also, if he drives an I prepared E-36, which I believe I have heard he does, it should easily beat a stock E-46 M3. Laws of physics come into play here. Given the power to weight ratio, the E-46 simply loses the game, PERIOD. I dont know how well his race car is set up, but if he is that much faster in a stock E-46, he needs to park the race car. Around here, Road Atlanta, Sebring etc, no STOCK production BMW maybe excluding the F1 can post lap times comparable to the prepared E-36 M3s. try 1:39 at road atlanta, best an E-46 M3 can do there might be 1:43 or so. I would in fact wager a NEW E-46 M3 on the outcome of a race. E-46M3 vs H prepared M3, winner gets new M3 free and clear. any takers? hehe. Mike ---- End Original Message ---- ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Finding a car's production date? - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:26:13 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Finding a car's production date? At 02:18 PM 5/10/02, ChuckBrazeau@aol.com wrote: >Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:12:51 -0400 >From: ChuckBrazeau@aol.com >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Finding a car's production date? > >D'oh! I guess that's why i couldn't find the info... the previous owner >was involved in an accident on the driver's side (door and quarter panel >have been repainted), so there's no sticker at all now. Oh well. Hmm, in that case, couldn't you contact a dealer or BMW NA and get the info with the VIN? Jim Bassett
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#4. bilstien pss9 coilovers - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:29:45 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: bilstien pss9 coilovers Cody states > > I have read many a discussion on various suspension setups, but not much > about bilstien pss9 system, anyone care to elaborate...pro's- con's, seems > to be the cheapest of the lot when adding all the extras needed, springs, > collars, also odd that bilstiens website doesn't show it available for e36m3 > but turner does, is it a true blueprinted coilover setup as advertised? It's not listed because it is not made currently (or at least the last time I checked). But, the regular E36 system can be adapted to the E36M3 by either converting to non M3 swaybars or adding the swaybar link lug to the PSS9 damper body. Maybe Turner does something like this or sells the regular system giving the instruction how to do this, I don't know. People on this list have converted to the PSS9 and I am sure you will get responses elaborating further. Later, Rich
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: List Sticker? - from Sue Kraft
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:34:33 -0500 From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: List Sticker? The decals have been ordered. I will let everyone know as soon as they are available, and post detailed instructions as to how to get them. Suzy tom eby wrote: > Speaking of spotting 'listers' on the other side. . .Anyone know the status > of the list sticker? Last I heard Suzy was taking a tally of those > interested. > > -tom eby > 96 M3 > 74 02
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#6. Low height garage lifts! - from eevans@planetc.com
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:00:55 -0400 From: eevans@planetc.com Subject: Low height garage lifts! If anyone is really interested in a great lift for a great price you can contact me off line. I bought a "moveable" 36" garage lift a couple of years ago and paid right at $1500 delivered to my door. It's a scissor type lift which allows access to the front and back, but you can put blocks (included) under your car on the lift and get as much as another 4-6" of working room. It fits neatly in my 2 car garage bay and I drive right up on it an have no clearance problems opening my doors when I park my other car in the non lift bay. Great for wheel, brake, tire, oil change, muffler, etc., work. best tool I have in my garage. People are constantly amazed that you can get a lift like this that cheap and fits perfectly in a normal garage bay. Evan
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#7. Heading out to OTC -- Wish us luck! - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:34:42 -0700 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: Heading out to OTC -- Wish us luck! Well, we're heading out to run the Open Track Challenge tonight, so wish us luck. A fellow lister (Young Kyu-Yoo) and I are running Young's 330i in Touring. We have the distinction of being the only automatic, and probably being the _only_ real "touring" car. Thanks to the guys over at UUC and some help from Dinan and Conversion Techniques, we might even have a chance. ;-) Check out the web site (http://www.opentrackchallenge.com) and come and root us on. There are a bunch of us running Bimmers (including Navid's E46 and Bill Arnold's E30) and we'd appreciate some friendly faces (and -- god forbid -- maybe a wrenching hand or two). I'll send out a post-series report when we're back. Woo-hoo! -peterg
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#8. Re: Long live the E36 M3 - from Ron Katona
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:36:08 -0400 From: Ron Katona <rkatona@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: Long live the E36 M3 I see Navid fell victim to the same photographer as I did <g>: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~rkatona/RonK-Topeka01.jpg These shots are from Topeka on Sep 11th 2001 during the Solo-II national championships. Lots of mixed emotions and memories. As I remember Navid's car he already had the coil-overs and camber plates in it at Topeka. For comparison, I run custom Bilsteins and 500# front springs on a GC coil-over kit. Stock front bar, RD Sport rear. Look at those two pictures together and what does it tell you? Not a damn thing really; the two cars are just very different! That big lumbering pig of an E46 beat me by a couple 10ths BTW, but we were both getting around pretty well that day even if I say so myself... so pretty neat comparison of two evenly matched cars. Those two shots could hardly be any closer, looks like Navid's car is just slightly farther along than mine... maybe 100ths of a second. Obviously my car has more roll stiffness up front. -- Ron Katona Dorffer, Rich wrote: > Jim writes > > > Oh, and his E46 M3 is nowhere near stock - suspension work & running on > > *wide* Hoosiers. You can see a picture of the car, in autox trim, at: > > http://www.opentrackchallenge.com/profiles/team80.htm > > (also was on the cover of the SCCA national magazine recently) > > > Wow, is that a lot of body roll or what. With an Advanced Design Ground Control, I > would have expected less roll, regardless how much 'stick' he has in those super > wide R-compound Hoosiers. > > Were his swaybars disconnected?!? ;-) -- Ron Katona
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Heading out to OTC -- Wish us luck! - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:09:27 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Heading out to OTC -- Wish us luck! Heya Peter, I met Young at the last TCRA event. Nice guy! Wish you guys good luck There is one other E36 M3 I know about. My buddy is bringing his white AA Turbo car as well.. His name is Louis Thibalt. Say hi if you see him. Mark From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Reply-To: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: [E36M3] Heading out to OTC -- Wish us luck! Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:38:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:34:42 -0700 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: Heading out to OTC -- Wish us luck! Well, we're heading out to run the Open Track Challenge tonight, so wish us luck. A fellow lister (Young Kyu-Yoo) and I are running Young's 330i in Touring. We have the distinction of being the only automatic, and probably being the _only_ real "touring" car. Thanks to the guys over at UUC and some help from Dinan and Conversion Techniques, we might even have a chance. ;-) Check out the web site (http://www.opentrackchallenge.com) and come and root us on. There are a bunch of us running Bimmers (including Navid's E46 and Bill Arnold's E30) and we'd appreciate some friendly faces (and -- god forbid -- maybe a wrenching hand or two). I'll send out a post-series report when we're back. Woo-hoo! -peterg ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
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#10. Re: [E36M3] bilstien pss9 coilovers - from Steven Tom
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:22:32 -0700 From: Steven Tom <stom@qualcomm.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] bilstien pss9 coilovers The PSS9's are not made for the M3. You will need to run spacers and non-M sway bars. Pain in the ass to save a few bucks. I have the H&R c/o setup and love them. They will also accept a wide array of other spring rates. steve At 03:28 PM 5/10/2002 -0500, Cody_McCoy wrote: >Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:15:18 -0700 >From: Cody_McCoy <Cody_McCoy@Aurorabio.com> >Subject: bilstien pss9 coilovers > >Group, > >I have read many a discussion on various suspension setups, but not much >about bilstien pss9 system, anyone care to elaborate...pro's- con's, seems >to be the cheapest of the lot when adding all the extras needed, springs, >collars, also odd that bilstiens website doesn't show it available for e36m3 >but turner does, is it a true blueprinted coilover setup as advertised?, too >firm, soft, etc,vs. tc kline, vs H&R, vs koni ground control, use would be >90%street/10%autocross on a 95 m3/2, sorry if this is rehash, thanks for any >comments. > >Cody McCoy >95 m3/2 w/m contours-thanx 2 Rob Birkhead...no more basket weave, hard to >clean, heavy motorsports wheels...which are for sale cheap btw. >bmwcca292671 >mailto:mccoyc@sbcglobal.net > > > > >************************************************************* >List Commands >UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. >DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. >GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > >To issue a command/request to the server: >Send a message with the command you wish executed as the >subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. >*************************************************************