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#1. Open center mid-rise lifts - from RacerxJLing@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 14:03:38 EDT From: RacerxJLing@aol.com Subject: Open center mid-rise lifts That's a low rise lift and is designed for an open pit (as in lube shops). It'll be easier for clutch work etc. but is too low IMO for most anything else. My midrise lift raises the car 48" and comes with blocks w/o xtra $$. The extra 20" or so over a low rise helps significantly. I just use a stool w/ rollers to work on the car comfortably. I haven't had to lay on my back for a while now. It's also now easier to get a breaker bar on things. I can get the lifts @ benwil for significantly less than retail if anyone is interested. Thanks Jeff > > Check out the Bend-Pak mid-rise open lift. The two separate sides allow > an open middle for clutch work, etc. $2000 delivered at > http://www.autolifts.com/shop/product38.html. > > ChipM >
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#2. RE: [E36M3] OT: CarFax request - from Mel Silva
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 13:21:38 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] OT: CarFax request Report delivered privately Mel -----Original Message----- From: Kevin McLeaster [mailto:kmcleaster@iquest.net] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:09 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] OT: CarFax request Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 11:08:07 -0500 From: Kevin McLeaster <kmcleaster@iquest.net> Subject: OT: CarFax request My poor Aunt thinks that she may have lemon in her garage instead of her tea. Can someone kindly run VIN# 2G4WS52JXY1168876 ? Thanks, Kevin D. McLeaster WB9HMI '95 M3 Arctic Silver ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#3. Carfax - from Mel Silva
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 13:23:17 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: Carfax I have a 30 day subscription that lasts until 5/31/02, anyone else need a report? Send me the VIN. Mel PS> Your welcome
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#4. A/C Control Buttons Not Working - from Riley, Scott
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 13:25:32 -0500 From: "Riley, Scott" <sriley@cardinalcapital.com> Subject: A/C Control Buttons Not Working Fellow listers, For some reason, the 3 buttons (A/C, Recirc and Rear Defroster) on my climate control are not working on my '95 M3. Since it is a '95, it is the rotary dial climate control, not the automatic climate control. Since re-installing the interior after building the roll cage, these buttons have not worked. I visually checked all of the related fuses in the main panel in the engine compartment and they looked fine. I have not checked any of the relays...how do you do this, btw??? This afternoon, I plan to check continuity on these fuses, but I sense that it may be a faulty control module. Last weekend, I removed the control module thinking that we may have forgot to install some connecting harnesses, but everything looked fine. However, I did find some loose connectors (3) between the shifter and the OBC. I am curious as to what they were for...telephone pre-wire, etc. As an amateur, I reviewed the wiring diagrams late last night and didn't have any revelations. Does anyone have any suggestions? It is getting very hot in Texas and A/C would be nice...at least when I am gridding for a race. <g> Thanks, Scott Riley '95 M3 I-Stock
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#5. Timing Chain Tensioner noise? - from Reid Conti
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 15:54:07 -0700 From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: Timing Chain Tensioner noise? For as long as I've had my 95 M3 (60k miles) (about 1 year), I've noticed a deceleration noise coming from the car. It's most prominent with the windows down, and you go to decelerate, downshift, I hear it most from 3000rpm down to about 2000rpm. It's a distinctive metallic sound. At first I thought it was a heat shield rattle on the exhaust somewhere. It ONLY happens off throttle.. if you tap the gas as it's happening, the noise goes away. Then, more recently, I had heard people talking about the primary timing chain tensioner causing a noise EXACTLY like this one. Anyway, I went ahead and bought the new, redesigned one.. Installed it today. My old one is definitely the old style, and my new one is definitely the new one.. as a reference, check out http://www.geocities.com/rick_poon/tensioner.htm Anyway, I'm confident it's installed properly.. car started up and runs fine.. but the noise is still there! It might be slightly quieter (but that may be the warmer weather or wishful thinking). I notice the noise most in parking garages, it kind of annoys me. It's not really *that bad*, and in fact may be perfectly normal.. but it bugged me for awhile, and after reading about the timing chain tensioner problem, I was really hoping I could get it to go away and have a nice nothing-but-exhaust sound from my car when I decelerate in gear. Alas, it is not to be. Anybody have any clues? Do all M3's (or all 95's) make noises like this? Do you think perhaps it's an exhaust noise instead (stock exhaust)? I notice if I rev the engine with the hood open, I can't hear the noise coming from the hood.. to hear it I have to be NEXT to the car near the doors.. so maybe it's coming from the bottom of the engine and reflecting off the ground.. or perhaps it is some under-car piece rattling? It seems too consistent to be a rattle, but I guess it's possible.. thanks for any clues. If you've had the timing chain tensioner problem, is it REALLY loud, or is it basically as I've described it? thanks! - reid
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Somethings burning...!?/BMW Motorsport Wheels - from Chris
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 16:37:25 -0700 From: "Chris" <ccurry@curry.org> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Somethings burning...!?/BMW Motorsport Wheels No puddles or anything... either way the smell is gone. Awfully strange. If it returns I'll let you know and try to provide some more information as well. Thanks for all the help, but one more question! =) I have a full set of BMW Motorsport Wheels with tires off my '95 M3 and I was wondering what I could sell those for. I was thinking about polishing them with my new set, what difference would that make value-wise? They are in fairly good condition, maybe a few nicks and scratches but if they were polished those would not be visible. Thanks, Chris
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Timing Chain Tensioner noise? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 16:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Timing Chain Tensioner noise? While the chain tensioners might go, more often than not, the VANOS is the culprit. Chester --- Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> wrote: > Anyway, I'm confident it's installed properly.. car started up and runs > fine.. but the noise is still there! It might be slightly quieter (but that > may be the warmer weather or wishful thinking). ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Timing Chain Tensioner noise? - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 17:14:38 -0700 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Timing Chain Tensioner noise? My guess is it's loose catalytic converter innards! Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reid Conti" <reid@conti.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: [E36M3] Timing Chain Tensioner noise? | Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 15:54:07 -0700 | From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> | Subject: Timing Chain Tensioner noise? | | For as long as I've had my 95 M3 (60k miles) (about 1 year), I've noticed a | deceleration noise coming from the car. | | It's most prominent with the windows down, and you go to decelerate, | downshift, I hear it most from 3000rpm down to about 2000rpm. It's a | distinctive metallic sound. At first I thought it was a heat shield rattle | on the exhaust somewhere. It ONLY happens off throttle.. if you tap the gas | as it's happening, the noise goes away. | | Then, more recently, I had heard people talking about the primary timing | chain tensioner causing a noise EXACTLY like this one. | | Anyway, I went ahead and bought the new, redesigned one.. Installed it | today. My old one is definitely the old style, and my new one is definitely | the new one.. as a reference, check out | | http://www.geocities.com/rick_poon/tensioner.htm | | Anyway, I'm confident it's installed properly.. car started up and runs | fine.. but the noise is still there! It might be slightly quieter (but that | may be the warmer weather or wishful thinking). | | I notice the noise most in parking garages, it kind of annoys me. It's not | really *that bad*, and in fact may be perfectly normal.. but it bugged me | for awhile, and after reading about the timing chain tensioner problem, I | was really hoping I could get it to go away and have a nice | nothing-but-exhaust sound from my car when I decelerate in gear. Alas, it | is not to be. | | Anybody have any clues? Do all M3's (or all 95's) make noises like this? | Do you think perhaps it's an exhaust noise instead (stock exhaust)? I | notice if I rev the engine with the hood open, I can't hear the noise coming | from the hood.. to hear it I have to be NEXT to the car near the doors.. so | maybe it's coming from the bottom of the engine and reflecting off the | ground.. or perhaps it is some under-car piece rattling? It seems too | consistent to be a rattle, but I guess it's possible.. | | thanks for any clues. If you've had the timing chain tensioner problem, is | it REALLY loud, or is it basically as I've described it? | | thanks! | | - reid | | | | ************************************************************* | List Commands | UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. | DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. | GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). | | To issue a command/request to the server: | Send a message with the command you wish executed as the | subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. | ************************************************************* | | |
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#9. Re: %@#!*&##@&....was: Pads and Rotors R&R this weekend - from Michael Kelley
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 20:54:28 -0700 From: "Michael Kelley" <mkelley@nc.rr.com> Subject: Re: %@#!*&##@&....was: Pads and Rotors R&R this weekend Well, I've cooled down now and I thought I would take the chance to "contribute" to the list since I don't get the opportunity much. Brake R&R got underway at 11:30 this morning, right rear rotor, pads, and fluid bleed were done in 45 min, left rear only took 30 min., everything going great, got the right front rotor off, new one on and then came THE discovery. I'm not trying to be preachy here but I knew better than to do this and I did it anyway so I want to pass this along. It's no more difficult than measure twice and cut once. MAKE SURE THE PARTS YOU NEED ARE THE PARTS YOU HAVE!! CHECK THE PART NUMBERS BEFORE YOU BUY, WHEN YOU BUY, AND AGAIN BEFORE YOU START TEARING THINGS APART TO INSTALL!! The front Hawk pads I had in my hand fit (I think) an '88-91 M3, NOT a '98 M3. I'm sure it's an honest mistake from the the vendor I ordered from but should have been caught by them before shipping and I should have caught this before I started but it still makes me hot!! So, the old front pads went back on with the new front rotors, buttoned it up, ate lunch and then went out for a bed the pads. Maybe TCKline's tech note is right, it's best to use new pads with seasoned rotors, so when I get the right pads in a week or so they'll work even better. Other than that everything else went just great, still can't believe how hard you have to hit a rotor to unseat it!! And I learned a lot too, as usual,......including that it's best to buy anti-seize by the tube instead of the plastic packet. When you sit on the tube you won't keep scrubbing around on it for ten to fifteen more minutes ;-)) Regards, Mike 98M3C ----- Original Message ----- From: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:18 AM Subject: [E36M3] E36M3 #2281 > This digest contains the following messages: > > 1. Re: brakes. Forget something? > by: Noah Paci <npaci@rr.com> > 2. Lifts and hidden costs > by: dholeman <dholeman@racepad.com> > 3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 > by: Michael <95m3ltw@charter.net> > 4. Re: Long live the E36 M3 > by: BOOM,BILL (HP-Roseville,ex1) <bill_boom@hp.com> > 5. RE: brakes. > by: Berney, Butch <butch.berney@lamrc.com> > 6. Re: Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 > by: Jason Sarich <sarich_m3@prontomail.com> > 7. is 'EM DREI' on the list? > by: kitwetzler@mindspring.com <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> > 8. RE: [E36M3] Re: brakes. > by: Andrew-Taylor Autosport <astaylor@taylorautosport.com> > 9. Re: Long live the E36 M3 > by: kitwetzler@mindspring.com <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> > 10. RE: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 > by: Mel Silva <melsilva@mindspring.com> > 11. Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 > by: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> > 12. Re: Long live the E36 M3 > by: david tow <david_tow@hotmail.com> > 13. Re: [E36M3] RE: Pads and Rotors R&R this weekend - THANKS > by: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> > > -------------------- 1 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:40:24 -0400 > From: "Noah Paci" <npaci@rr.com> > Subject: Re: brakes. Forget something? > > I had the same response, but I happened to have 4 replacement bolts > fresh from BMW in my tool bag, as I am going to replace the stock ones > with fresh bolts, and Damn, if the 5/8 6 point socket doesn't fit > better. And for the high torque application that these bolts are put on > by with folks with impact wrenches, I will take the better fit of the > 5/8 socket, even if it does corrupt the metric purity of my garage. > > (btw, I had to use standard wrenches on my brake lines too...argh...who > has a complete set of SAE tools anymore?) > > Items Recently Added to Tool Shopping List: > 1/2" drive 5/8" 6 point shallow socket > a set of SAE Wrenches & Sockets > ... > > cheers, > > Noah. > 95 M3, White > > P.S. Anyone going to Mont Tremblant this weekend for the Monday, > Tuesday, Wednesday school with the NER Porsche Folks? > > >Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 20:49:37 -0500 > >From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > >Subject: Re: brakes. Forget something? > > > >on 5/9/02 4:58 PM, Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > The 16 mm bolts holding the brake/caliper is actually a 5/8" head > bolt. > > > >Ah no, not really. it's 16 mm. > > > >Neil > >96 M3 > > > > -------------------- 2 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:25:54 -0400 > From: "dholeman" <dholeman@racepad.com> > Subject: Lifts and hidden costs > > Hi, > > The relative cost of lifts these days is low. The hidden costs and factors to consider are: > > Will it fit in your garage. Width and height of the lift and available space is an issue. Can you center up the opening of the lift with your garage door so you can drive your car straight into the lift. Usually a 4" thick cement floor is required. If not a larger plate needs to be used. You have a minimum distance from the edge of the garage floor that you have to consider. This can shift the whole lift in your garage to one side making it in accessible. If you have a two door garage you need to be mindful of this. If you have a two car garage you need to make sure that you can still fit your other car in the other bay. Place the lift on the right bay or your drivers door will slam into the lift post everytime you try to get in and out. > > All of these lift vendors quote a low price and include shipping but you have to arrange to the last mile delivery and a way to get the lift off the truck. Many times you need to specify a truck capable of unloading these. A ramp or lift gate is required. You will need a fork lift or some sort of way to lift the heavy beams and unload them from the truck and move them around. > > Two post lifts have to be secured to the floor via several bolts that are like giant molly bolts. You have to have someone come in and do this for you unless you have a way to drill a proper hole through the flooring and the tools to set these bolts properly. > > Best thing to do is to talk to the vendor and make sure you understand all that is required before buying a lift. Most can point you to a recommended installer. No point in making a mistake and having the lift topple over on you. > > If you are building a garage talk to the lift makers and space out and spec your garage with your builder to make sure that you get a proper floor, height and witdth to accomodate the lift. > > david > > > > -------------------- 3 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:24:32 -0400 > From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com> > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:08 PM > Subject: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > Navid Khangi (a decorated club racer) has an race prepared > > E36 M3 and has been racing that for years. He times his > > laps at various tracks, and recently purchased an E46 M3. > > He drove BOTH cars at Thunderhill Raceway in Northern- > > California and if I remember correctly, beat the lap time > > of his race prepared E36 M3 by 15 or 17 seconds. > > > I have to ask, where did you get your information? are you sure you heard it > right? 15 secs? There is NO WAY he beat his lap time of an E-36 by 15-17 > seconds. Maybe hundreths, not seconds. If so, he would have been able to > lap an entire club racing field, including B & D mod cars which is not going > to happen with a stock E-46 M3, the mod cars have more power, weigh less > etc. > > Also, if he drives an I prepared E-36, which I believe I have heard he does, > it should easily beat a stock E-46 M3. Laws of physics come into play > here. Given the power to weight ratio, the E-46 simply loses the game, > PERIOD. I dont know how well his race car is set up, but if he is that much > faster in a stock E-46, he needs to park the race car. > > Around here, Road Atlanta, Sebring etc, no STOCK production BMW maybe > excluding the F1 can post lap times comparable to the prepared E-36 M3s. > try 1:39 at road atlanta, best an E-46 M3 can do there might be 1:43 or so. > I would in fact wager a NEW E-46 M3 on the outcome of a race. E-46M3 vs H > prepared M3, winner gets new M3 free and clear. any takers? hehe. > > Mike > > > > > > > -------------------- 4 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:27:19 -0700 > From: "BOOM,BILL (HP-Roseville,ex1)" <bill_boom@hp.com> > Subject: Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:03:08 -0700 > > From: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com> > > Subject: Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > > > >So I guess the question that begs to be asked...Has the > > >bar been raised or > > >the ball been dropped? > > > > Well, if you go strictly on one car magazines comparo then > > I guess you can think what you want. But here is some food > > for thought. > > > > Navid Khangi (a decorated club racer) has an race prepared > > E36 M3 and has been racing that for years. He times his > > laps at various tracks, and recently purchased an E46 M3. > > He drove BOTH cars at Thunderhill Raceway in Northern- > > California and if I remember correctly, beat the lap time > > of his race prepared E36 M3 by 15 or 17 seconds. > > I was at Thunderhilll in December when Navid was there with his E46 M3. The > E46 was not stock - he had replaced the factory suspension with something > more performance-oriented (and he had wider-than-stock, R-compound tires.) > When I talked to him, he was only beating his E36 times by a second or so, > but perhaps he's got his E46 times down since then. Regardless, I think the > point of the original poster still stands: the reviews of the E46 tend to > fault its soft suspension, and in that they may be right. > > - Bill > > > > > -------------------- 5 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:20:20 -0700 > From: "Berney, Butch" <butch.berney@lamrc.com> > Subject: RE: brakes. > > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:46:45 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: brakes. > > Trivia question: name E36 bolts that genuinely are SAE sized. > > Neil > 96 M3 > > ------------------------------------ > > I don't know the answer to this, but would have to guess either the wheel > bolts, or the brake line thread. I can't think of anything else that would > fall under some kind of "world standard". > > As long as we are on trivia. How did it come to pass that wheel diameter is > measured in inches, and width in millimeters? Actually, I don't know the > answer to this either, but have looked :-) > > Butch (who is old enough to have bought tires for his first car, a Cortina > GT, with "ultra low profile" D70X13's...or something like that) > > > > > -------------------- 6 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:42:58 -0700 > From: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com> > Subject: Re: Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > I appologize to ALL. My wires were crossed! > > Ok, (Huge mistake on my part). Navid did 1.5 seconds > faster NOT 15 seconds faster at Thunderhill Raceway in the > E46 M3 v. I-Prepared E36 M3. > > I read that someone tested the stock E46 at the Nurbergring > and beat a stock? E36 M3 by 15 seconds. That is a MUCH > longer course and could make up that time. > > I applogize again for my misinformation, I thought that > sounded fast when I heard it too. > > Sorry, > > Jason > > ---- Begin Original Message ---- > > From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> > Sent: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:24:32 -0400 > To: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com>,"E36M3" > <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com> > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:08 PM > Subject: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > Navid Khangi (a decorated club racer) has an race prepared > > E36 M3 and has been racing that for years. He times his > > laps at various tracks, and recently purchased an E46 M3. > > He drove BOTH cars at Thunderhill Raceway in Northern- > > California and if I remember correctly, beat the lap time > > of his race prepared E36 M3 by 15 or 17 seconds. > > > I have to ask, where did you get your information? are you > sure you heard it > right? 15 secs? There is NO WAY he beat his lap time of > an E-36 by 15-17 > seconds. Maybe hundreths, not seconds. If so, he would > have been able to > lap an entire club racing field, including B & D mod cars > which is not going > to happen with a stock E-46 M3, the mod cars have more > power, weigh less > etc. > > Also, if he drives an I prepared E-36, which I believe I > have heard he does, > it should easily beat a stock E-46 M3. Laws of physics > come into play > here. Given the power to weight ratio, the E-46 simply > loses the game, > PERIOD. I dont know how well his race car is set up, but > if he is that much > faster in a stock E-46, he needs to park the race car. > > Around here, Road Atlanta, Sebring etc, no STOCK > production BMW maybe > excluding the F1 can post lap times comparable to the > prepared E-36 M3s. > try 1:39 at road atlanta, best an E-46 M3 can do there > might be 1:43 or so. > I would in fact wager a NEW E-46 M3 on the outcome of a > race. E-46M3 vs H > prepared M3, winner gets new M3 free and clear. any > takers? hehe. > > Mike > > > > > > ---- End Original Message ---- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > > > > -------------------- 7 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:46:47 -0400 > From: "kitwetzler@mindspring.com" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> > Subject: is 'EM DREI' on the list? > > > I think it was a 97 lux, with at least swapped strut hats and euro lights, stock exhaust, but the car was pretty quick! :) made my morning commute a bit interesting. (and considerably shorter, time-wise, yet somehow less fuel efficient) > > -kit > 97 m3/4 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > -------------------- 8 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:41:56 -0400 > From: "Andrew-Taylor Autosport" <astaylor@taylorautosport.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: brakes. > > > Trivia question: name E36 bolts that genuinely are SAE sized. > > Seat belt hardware. > > 7/16 UNF. > > > > -------------------- 9 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:53:18 -0400 > From: "kitwetzler@mindspring.com" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> > Subject: Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > > California and if I remember correctly, beat the lap time > > of his race prepared E36 M3 by 15 or 17 seconds. > > I certainly wouldn't call Navid's E46 to a stock one. :) He has huge hoosiers on it, with an Advance Design Ground Control suspension, with camber plates, and the works. It's really fast. I could hang in a straight line (at Laguna Seca) but he lost me pretty quickly in turns. (I was on my 235/40r17 MXX3s) > > -kit > 97 m3/4 w/ a bit o' boost > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > -------------------- 10 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:00:51 -0500 > From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > Also, > Something that may contribute to the extended margin that others may be unaware of, Thunderhill is 3 miles from start line to > start line. > > Mel > > > > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:03:08 -0700 > > From: "Jason Sarich" <sarich_m3@prontomail.com> > > Subject: Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > > > >So I guess the question that begs to be asked...Has the > > >bar been raised or > > >the ball been dropped? > > > > Well, if you go strictly on one car magazines comparo then > > I guess you can think what you want. But here is some food > > for thought. > > > > Navid Khangi (a decorated club racer) has an race prepared > > E36 M3 and has been racing that for years. He times his > > laps at various tracks, and recently purchased an E46 M3. > > He drove BOTH cars at Thunderhill Raceway in Northern- > > California and if I remember correctly, beat the lap time > > of his race prepared E36 M3 by 15 or 17 seconds. > > I was at Thunderhilll in December when Navid was there with his E46 M3. The > E46 was not stock - he had replaced the factory suspension with something > more performance-oriented (and he had wider-than-stock, R-compound tires.) > When I talked to him, he was only beating his E36 times by a second or so, > but perhaps he's got his E46 times down since then. Regardless, I think the > point of the original poster still stands: the reviews of the E46 tend to > fault its soft suspension, and in that they may be right. > > - Bill > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > > > > > > -------------------- 11 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:05:49 -0700 > From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > At 09:08 AM 5/10/02, Jason Sarich wrote: > >Navid Khangi (a decorated club racer) has an race prepared > >E36 M3 and has been racing that for years. He times his > >laps at various tracks, and recently purchased an E46 M3. > >He drove BOTH cars at Thunderhill Raceway in Northern- > >California and if I remember correctly, beat the lap time > >of his race prepared E36 M3 by 15 or 17 seconds. > > I don't think it was that much; 2:07 vs 2:09, maybe? (But then, I had just > been "rolled-over" at that event, so my memory may be a bit fuzzy <g>). > > Oh, and his E46 M3 is nowhere near stock - suspension work & running on > *wide* Hossiers. You can see a picture of the car, in autox trim, at: > http://www.opentrackchallenge.com/profiles/team80.htm > (also was on the cover of the SCCA national magazine recently) > > >Just my 0.02 cents. Hope it doesn't ruffle and feathers. > > Nah. > > I think the E36 M3 is better for one simple, biased, fact: Sedan <bfg>. > > My 2 cents, > Jim Bassett > 1998 M3/4 - The Ultimate Grocery-Getter? (not that I get groceries, but you > get the idea :-)) > 1993 325is #44 KP - faster than the M3 at Laguna, we'll see about THill > this weekend > > > > > -------------------- 12 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:04:33 -0700 > From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > It is already a compliment to see a M3 being compared with real sports cars > such as the Ferrari and the Lotus. Our M3, afterall, is just a "best > handling" sports sedan (or coupe). > > The recent trend of car making is disappointing to some of us who still > believe that sporting cars should be small and light. Take a look at the > Z8: it was made using the most exotic material in an attempt to make it > light, yet the thing weights almost a ton. In addition, it is so big, and > yet it's only a 2-seater. > > Yes, the latest cars are the safest, but car makers have the technology to > make them light and safe too. Unfortunately our consumers these days are > somewhat after "features", not substance. The car makers are glad to load > the cars up with "features". Hey, money in the bank too. > > David > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > -------------------- 13 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:09:06 -0700 > From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Pads and Rotors R&R this weekend - THANKS > > At 09:08 PM 5/9/02, Michael Kelley wrote: > >You guys are just great.....Thanks to Matt, Ron, Jim, Marc, Rex, and Mike > >for all the great advice and tips. Need to spend just a little bit more $$ > >but feel certain that 9:00PM Saturday night won't catch me with the car > >still on jackstands, wife PO'd, me still dirty and whacking rotors :-)) > > <snork> > > Yeah, good luck with that <bfg>. > > Jim Bassett > 1998 M3/4 - BTDT, many times > 1993 325is #44 KP - took til 9:30PM last night to get ready the car that > was "supposedly" all ready for this weekend > > > > > ************************************************************** > Digest Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the digest. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************** >
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 22:17:44 -0700 From: "Michael Kelley" <mkelley@nc.rr.com> Subject: apologies Another thing I know better than to do.....send a reply to the list WTHOUT snipping off all of the rest of the previous digest.......doh!! Sorry everyone, I know that last post really made clutter. Humble regards, Mike (still hot but cooling off) 98M3C (with new-old brakes)