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#1. Organizing group buy for E36 M3 H&R coilovers - from Michael Maigret x2196
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:13:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Maigret x2196" <studmuffin@galaxy.nsc.com> Subject: Organizing group buy for E36 M3 H&R coilovers I'm trying to organize a group buy for H&R coilovers. Obviously, the more people involved, the more bargaining power available. Retailers such as Turner Motorsports are listing the '95-'96 M3 kit for $1519 + shipping. I'm aiming to negotiate a price close to $100 below that. However, I estimate that I will need at least 5 people besides myself to achieve that target. Please respond to me via private e-mail if interested. All purchases will be done individually once the price is negotiated, so your money will go directly to the retailer and the product will be shipped directly to you. All you'll need to do is be on my list and commit to making the purchase. Thanks. Mike studmuffin@galaxy.nsc.com
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#2. [E36M3] Harnesses: 5 pt vs 4 pt - from twisty M3
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:03:08 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Harnesses: 5 pt vs 4 pt Group, I've come across some events that rather inexpensive when compared to many I've attended, but there's a couple of things holding me back. First is that they're time trials, so insurance probably wouldn't cover me in the event of a mishap (unless I sit out of the actual timed runs maybe). Second is that they require 5-point harnesses and extinguishers. An extinguisher might not be a bad idea for track days anyway, but there seems to be argument as to the safety of harnesses in a street car with no roll bars/cage. Am I correct in saying that it is unsafe to have a 5-point harness without the extra roll over protection, since you'll have the extra anti-submarining effects keeping your head/neck up? If it were a crazy group, I wouldn't even consider it, but it's the Alfa club, and everything I've heard has been positive. If harnesses aren't considered a hazard, what are the recommended brands? I like the idea of the new clip in/out Schroth 4-point, but that wouldn't pass for the time trials anyway. Still, if it's good to have for schools, I'd consider it. I don't really want to start drilling too many holes in the car... The slope is slippery enough as is. ;) I'll find the time to look through the archives a bit tonight, but if anyone has easily removable/convenient fire extinguisher recommendations, I'm all ears. Thanks, Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
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#3. Re: Need '95 M3 head gasket with cutting rings - from Scott Chan
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:10:34 -0700 From: Scott Chan <s_chan@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: Need '95 M3 head gasket with cutting rings Here in CA, almost every '95 M3 race car, whether Stock or Prepared, plus a bunch of track-driven street cars, have had overheating problems. Most have been cured by replacing the head gasket. Some report that they see signs of leakage on the old gasket, others report seeing no damage. We haven't gotten the head off of my engine yet. The symptom is coolant coming out of the cap (pressure relief) under heavy engine load (1 or 2 fast laps). The "usual suspects", i.e., water pump, thermostat, coolant cap were replaced without improving the situation. My engine is stock except for cams. The engine has 6,000 miles on it and the head gasket was replaced about 1,000 miles ago (to replace the original, weak '95 valve retainers and the resulting bent valve). --Scott >It appears my race car has fallen victim to the dreaded >'95 M3 weak head gasket disease... I've never heard about this one. Is this a stock engine, or a pumped up version? Tell us more, please. Carl Stern 95 w/18k
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#4. Re: Daily Driver/Club Racer - from Bob Biggs
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:19:36 -0500 From: Bob Biggs <parm3@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Daily Driver/Club Racer Scott: Several thoughts: First, its probably not a good idea to drive a car with a full roll cage on the street. In an accident, the bar across the top of the windshield and the bar at the top of the driver's door would likely intersect with your head and the bars will win. I drive my car to the BMW technician who lives a few miles away and occasionally to get gas when I'm at the track, but that's about it. All of the pros I've talked to say "don't drive a car with a roll cage without a helmet". Second, I think you will find that it is extraordinarily difficult to develop a competitive race car while maintaining your "useable back-up street car". I run my 96 M3 in HS. After several years and more than a few bucks in allowable modifications, it is a reasonably competitive club racer. But it is wholly unacceptable as a street car. Think about the "things" on a race car that undermine driving comfort and convenience. To name a few: a full roll cage, race seat, brake pads, (work fine on the track but less fine on the street), stiff springs and shocks (they shake your liver and lower the car), race wheels and tires. Unfortunately, in my view, current club racing rules allow too many modifications to an E36 M3 to maintain an effective dual purpose vehicle. Third, I'm assuming that you wish to field a car that is competitive in its class. Although I haven't done the math, I am virtually certain you could purchase a solid and decently prepared E30 M3 or E36 325 race car for what you will spend to take your wonderful 98 M3/4 daily driver to a competitive club racer in HS. Good luck with your decision and contact me off line if you have further questions. Bob Biggs Just Bob Racing > Tue, 14 May 2002 > From: Scott McClung <scott.mcclung@ubicom.com> > Subject: Anybody here run in BMW CCA club racing? > > > Just curious if anyone here runs with > BMW CCA in club racing. > I recently bought a '98 M3/4 and simply > love the car. And it has me re-evaluating > my track car strategy..... > > The biggest concern for me is the roll cage > requirement... my M3 has a lot of headroom, > so I'm wondering if perhaps a 6-point cage > could be constructed to make the car still > useable as a back-up street car, at least > the front seats. With my lack of time I > have been unwilling to commit to a fully > dedicated track car - minimum I want to be > able to drive it on the street when needed. > > Scott > '98 M3/4
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#5. RE: [E36M3] F/S Michelin Pilot Sport - from Dames, Mark
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:28:47 -0700 From: "Dames, Mark" <Mark.Dames@PDO.Co.Santa-Clara.CA.US> Subject: RE: [E36M3] F/S Michelin Pilot Sport For Sale: slightly used Michelin Pilot Sport 224/45/17, $100 In SF Bay Area, work in SJ, live in RWC Mark Dames 98 M3/4 mdames@pdo.co.santa-clara.ca.us 408 299-7737 --The HAL 9000 is now online --Soylent Green is on the shelf !
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Re: Daily Driver/Club Racer - from Scott McClung
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:35:57 -0700 From: Scott McClung <scott.mcclung@ubicom.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Daily Driver/Club Racer Thanks for the thoughts, Bob. I'm coming to that same conclusion. However, just as a point of clarification - I have no intention of racing or modifying my '98 sedan - it's my street car. What I am considering is replacing my dual purpose '91 Corvette that is becoming more and more of a track-only car anyway. Why not go all the way and forget about keeping all the creature comforts that add weight, etc. But the big killer is the roll bar. I knew it could not be done in a vette but was hoping the M3 might be different. Seems not. Scott '98 M3/4 '91 corvette '94 Q45t '01 Suburban -----Original Message----- From: Bob Biggs [mailto:parm3@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:29 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re: Daily Driver/Club Racer Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:19:36 -0500 From: Bob Biggs <parm3@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Daily Driver/Club Racer Scott: Several thoughts: First, its probably not a good idea to drive a car with a full roll cage on the street. In an accident, the bar across the top of the windshield and the bar at the top of the driver's door would likely intersect with your head and the bars will win. I drive my car to the BMW technician who lives a few miles away and occasionally to get gas when I'm at the track, but that's about it. All of the pros I've talked to say "don't drive a car with a roll cage without a helmet". Second, I think you will find that it is extraordinarily difficult to develop a competitive race car while maintaining your "useable back-up street car". I run my 96 M3 in HS. After several years and more than a few bucks in allowable modifications, it is a reasonably competitive club racer. But it is wholly unacceptable as a street car. Think about the "things" on a race car that undermine driving comfort and convenience. To name a few: a full roll cage, race seat, brake pads, (work fine on the track but less fine on the street), stiff springs and shocks (they shake your liver and lower the car), race wheels and tires. Unfortunately, in my view, current club racing rules allow too many modifications to an E36 M3 to maintain an effective dual purpose vehicle. Third, I'm assuming that you wish to field a car that is competitive in its class. Although I haven't done the math, I am virtually certain you could purchase a solid and decently prepared E30 M3 or E36 325 race car for what you will spend to take your wonderful 98 M3/4 daily driver to a competitive club racer in HS. Good luck with your decision and contact me off line if you have further questions. Bob Biggs Just Bob Racing > Tue, 14 May 2002 > From: Scott McClung <scott.mcclung@ubicom.com> > Subject: Anybody here run in BMW CCA club racing? > > > Just curious if anyone here runs with > BMW CCA in club racing. > I recently bought a '98 M3/4 and simply > love the car. And it has me re-evaluating > my track car strategy..... > > The biggest concern for me is the roll cage > requirement... my M3 has a lot of headroom, > so I'm wondering if perhaps a 6-point cage > could be constructed to make the car still > useable as a back-up street car, at least > the front seats. With my lack of time I > have been unwilling to commit to a fully > dedicated track car - minimum I want to be > able to drive it on the street when needed. > > Scott > '98 M3/4 ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Harnesses: 5 pt vs 4 pt - from Mark Radelow
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 23:42:00 +0000 From: "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Harnesses: 5 pt vs 4 pt Consider running Scroth's street multi-point belts. I believe they can be had without submarining belts and work similar to street belts... That's one option. For mounting an extinguisher go to www.summitracing.com Mark R. From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Reply-To: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: [E36M3] Harnesses: 5 pt vs 4 pt Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:28:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:03:08 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Harnesses: 5 pt vs 4 pt Group, I've come across some events that rather inexpensive when compared to many I've attended, but there's a couple of things holding me back. First is that they're time trials, so insurance probably wouldn't cover me in the event of a mishap (unless I sit out of the actual timed runs maybe). Second is that they require 5-point harnesses and extinguishers. An extinguisher might not be a bad idea for track days anyway, but there seems to be argument as to the safety of harnesses in a street car with no roll bars/cage. Am I correct in saying that it is unsafe to have a 5-point harness without the extra roll over protection, since you'll have the extra anti-submarining effects keeping your head/neck up? If it were a crazy group, I wouldn't even consider it, but it's the Alfa club, and everything I've heard has been positive. If harnesses aren't considered a hazard, what are the recommended brands? I like the idea of the new clip in/out Schroth 4-point, but that wouldn't pass for the time trials anyway. Still, if it's good to have for schools, I'd consider it. I don't really want to start drilling too many holes in the car... The slope is slippery enough as is. ;) I'll find the time to look through the archives a bit tonight, but if anyone has easily removable/convenient fire extinguisher recommendations, I'm all ears. Thanks, Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. ************************************************************* _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
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#8. Re: LTW strut bar nuts - from Danny Li
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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:22:17 +0800 From: "Danny Li" <air23@netvigator.com> Subject: Re: LTW strut bar nuts Bill, Interesting point. Just out of curiosity, I've had my strut bar and the original nuts for over 2 years now. I noticed that the nuts are starting to rust and from what I've seen on others with the strut, same issue. My understanding is the JTD nuts (I ordered a set last week) do not have this problem. Anyone else have this issue? Danny 96, E36 M3 3.2 (Evo) ----- Original Message ----- From: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 5:48 AM Subject: [E36M3] E36M3 #2290 > This digest contains the following messages: > > 1. RE: [E36M3] Anybody here run in BMW CCA club racing? > by: Scott McClung <scott.mcclung@ubicom.com> > 2. RE: Trunk will not open > by: David Morad <Dogdave@msn.com> > 3. Re: [E36M3] Anybody here run in BMW CCA club racing? > by: Michael <95m3ltw@charter.net> > 4. Re: lowered with 245-40's all around? > by: <Sprichardson@aol.com> > 5. Re: Lowered with 245-40's all around > by: <Sprichardson@aol.com> > 6. Re: LTW strut bar nuts > by: Guillermo Molina <drwillb@msn.com> > 7. Re: Need '95 M3 head gasket with cutting rings > by: Carl Stern <carl.stern@xilinx.com> > 8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Lowered with 245-40's all around > by: twisty M3 <twistym3@hotmail.com> > 9. Re: Long live the E36 M3 > by: david tow <david_tow@hotmail.com> > 10. RE: [E36M3] 4-point roll bar > by: <alex.fadeev@verizon.com> > > -------------------- 1 -------------------- > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:37:57 -0700 > From: Scott McClung <scott.mcclung@ubicom.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Anybody here run in BMW CCA club racing? > > > Thanks Jim, > > Curious why you don't recommend doing more > street driving? Because of the cage, of > because of aligment settings, etc. I am > considering a stock class car if that matters. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jimbassett@attbi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 11:01 AM > To: Scott McClung > Cc: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Anybody here run in BMW CCA club racing? > > > At 10:28 AM 5/14/02, Scott McClung talked about: > >my head. But my M3 has a lot of headroom, > >so I'm wondering if perhaps a 6-point cage > >could be constructed to make the car still > >useable as a back-up street car, at least > >the front seats. With my lack of time I > >have been unwilling to commit to a fully > >dedicated track car - minimum I want to be > >able to drive it on the street when needed. > > Hi Scott, > > Most cages (and seat mounting) will allow the car to be driven on the > street - I drive my 325is race car to/from the track and to/from mechanic's > shop. The car has an Autopower cage & Sparco Evo seat. > > I wouldn't necessarily recommend to do any more street driving than that, > but it is doable. There are several racers locally that drive their cars > to/from the track. > > If you have any more questions, feel free to email me. > > Jim Bassett > 1998 M3/4 - once, briefly, considered racing it > 1993 325is #44 KP > > > > > -------------------- 2 -------------------- > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:17:20 -0500 > From: "David Morad" <Dogdave@msn.com> > Subject: RE: Trunk will not open > > > > Mine did this in reverse, couldn't shut the trunk. I had to unscrew the = > lock from the inside and re-center the latch. > > > David Morad > '97 M3 > =20 > > > > > -------------------- 1 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 20:21:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: Erik Martin <ermartin@cisco.com> > Subject: RE: Trunk will not open > > Mine failed this weekend too. only way i found was to crawl into the > trunk thru the back seat.Funny thing is nothing looks broken or out > of allignment but the button throw doesnt hit the latch release > anymore > > Erik Martin > 95 Alpine white M3 > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- 3 -------------------- > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:12:55 -0400 > From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Anybody here run in BMW CCA club racing? > > A few reasons. > > How much do you value your life or your passenger? > > Picture this, you have a full cage in your car, you get hit broadside, your > head hits roll bar, explodes like a watermelon, they havent figured out a > way to fix brain matter yet! lol. > > So it is very dangerous to drive a car with a roll cage in it on the street > unless you do the following > 1. wear your helmet at all times > 2. use a racing seat > 3. wear 4/5 pt harnesses at all times > > I have done 2,3 several times in my M3 LTW that was setup for Hstock when I > woudl drive it on the street. The whole time I was very aware of how bad my > head would fare against the roll bar in a head on collision or major wreck. > Now if you are short enough that there is NO POSSIBLE way for you to come in > contact with the cage, then it might not be such a worry. > > Then, if you have a tricked out race car, using the ideal track alignment, > it will be the biggest pain in the ass to drive on the street that you can > imagine. It is going to follow every crown in the road, drive itself over > ever rut etc. Plus, if you are trying to win, you will have a very stiff > suspension aswell. Dont know about your area, but here in the south we have > some of the best roads in the country and even then, public roads will beat > you to death. > > Granted, when I started racing, I drove 3 states away to enter my first > race, carrrying all my tires etc in the back, won the race and drove 600 > miles back home. I did that 1 time and learned that it requires a truck > load of parts, tools etc to be effective during a track weekend. If the > track is 30mins from your home, then no problem, but any further than that, > towing is the only way to go with a race car. > > If you do build the car to the maxium you can, it just will not be a > streetable car. Also, keep into account, if you plan on using this car > as a dual purpose car, never race any car that you could not just walk away > from when it is totalled. It doesnt happen too often, but it does and > there is no insurance coverage during a race. > > I mean before you enter any race with it, stand in front of the car and > imagine it being a melted pile of metal, can you tolerate, afford that? > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott McClung" <scott.mcclung@ubicom.com> > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:48 PM > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Anybody here run in BMW CCA club racing? > > > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:37:57 -0700 > > From: Scott McClung <scott.mcclung@ubicom.com> > > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Anybody here run in BMW CCA club racing? > > > > > > Thanks Jim, > > > > Curious why you don't recommend doing more > > street driving? Because of the cage, of > > because of aligment settings, etc. I am > > considering a stock class car if that matters. > > > > Scott > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jimbassett@attbi.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 11:01 AM > > To: Scott McClung > > Cc: E36M3 > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Anybody here run in BMW CCA club racing? > > > > > > At 10:28 AM 5/14/02, Scott McClung talked about: > > >my head. But my M3 has a lot of headroom, > > >so I'm wondering if perhaps a 6-point cage > > >could be constructed to make the car still > > >useable as a back-up street car, at least > > >the front seats. With my lack of time I > > >have been unwilling to commit to a fully > > >dedicated track car - minimum I want to be > > >able to drive it on the street when needed. > > > > Hi Scott, > > > > Most cages (and seat mounting) will allow the car to be driven on the > > street - I drive my 325is race car to/from the track and to/from > mechanic's > > shop. The car has an Autopower cage & Sparco Evo seat. > > > > I wouldn't necessarily recommend to do any more street driving than that, > > but it is doable. There are several racers locally that drive their cars > > to/from the track. > > > > If you have any more questions, feel free to email me. > > > > Jim Bassett > > 1998 M3/4 - once, briefly, considered racing it > > 1993 325is #44 KP > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > List Commands > > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > > > To issue a command/request to the server: > > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- 4 -------------------- > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:19:12 EDT > From: Sprichardson@aol.com > Subject: Re: lowered with 245-40's all around? > > > > > > -------------------- 5 -------------------- > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:25:02 EDT > From: Sprichardson@aol.com > Subject: Re: Lowered with 245-40's all around > > Everyone, > I am thinking of putting 245-40 SO3 PP's on 17 x 8.5 M Contour wheels > all the way around on my 96 M3 coupe. I am also considering Bilstein > sports with Eibach springs. Does anyone else have this set up? Any > clearance problems? This car is a daily driver that gets on the track > occasionally. > Thanks, > Scott 96 M3/2 > > > > -------------------- 6 -------------------- > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:36:45 -0400 > From: "Guillermo Molina" <drwillb@msn.com> > Subject: Re: LTW strut bar nuts > > Just want to share some personal experiences with the LTW bar and nuts. > > Back in February I decided to purchase the LTW bar. My inquiries led me to > PTG as the best source for the bar and nuts since dealers were out of the > procurement loop for these parts. A few days after placing my order, PTG > called me to say that the nuts were officially NLA from BMW. I immediately > checked w/Bekker's and was able to buy the last set of nuts they had in > stock, these were actual BMW parts. I called PTG back and they were > gracious enough to sell me their last 2 bars at a substantial discount (very > nice of them to do). > > So, the nuts are NLA. If PTG can't get them you know it's official. > > This thought ran through my mind as soon as I heard about the nuts: "If the > nuts are NLA, then don't you think the bar will also be NLA?" Why make the > bar if you don't sell the nuts to mount it? > > Just food for thought. > > To my knowledge JTD was making aftermarket nuts. They don't look like the > factory part but they hold the bar on just the same. Don't know if they > still make them but it's worth a try. > > Bill Molina > 88 M3 looking for Sparco strut bar > 95 M3 with quite possibly the last set of nuts sold in the US. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > -------------------- 7 -------------------- > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:41:54 -0600 > From: Carl Stern <carl.stern@xilinx.com> > Subject: Re: Need '95 M3 head gasket with cutting rings > > >It appears my race car has fallen victim to the dreaded > >'95 M3 weak head gasket disease... > > I've never heard about this one. Is this a stock engine, or > a pumped up version? Tell us more, please. > > Carl Stern > 95 w/18k > > > > -------------------- 8 -------------------- > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:06:28 -0700 > From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Lowered with 245-40's all around > > I have something similar to that set up. I run the H&R Sport springs with > Koni s/a shocks/struts. I do run the 245/40 S03s on 8.5" M Contours on each > corner, and it's great! Only thing I needed to do was roll the rear > fenders, but I'm sure that's only because the S03s run slightly wider than > most 245s. No clearance issues in the front at all. > > As long as you're not running camber shims, you shouldn't have any problems > (camber plates or swapped hats would be fine). > > Jonathan L. > > > >From: Sprichardson@aol.com > > > >Everyone, > > I am thinking of putting 245-40 SO3 PP's on 17 x 8.5 M Contour > >wheels > >all the way around on my 96 M3 coupe. I am also considering Bilstein > >sports with Eibach springs. Does anyone else have this set up? Any > >clearance problems? This car is a daily driver that gets on the track > >occasionally. > >Thanks, > >Scott 96 M3/2 > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > -------------------- 9 -------------------- > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:19:46 -0700 > From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Long live the E36 M3 > > It could be a lot lighter and more efficient than it is now. I would take > the Lotus Elise over the Z8 any time, and any place. Hell with the British > reliability problems if I could afford something so expensive like the Z8. > Just MHO. > > > >From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > >To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > >CC: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> > >Subject: Long live the E36 M3 > >Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:00:51 -0400 > > > >David writes > > > > The recent trend of car making is disappointing to some of us who still > > > believe that sporting cars should be small and light. Take a look at > >the > > > Z8: it was made using the most exotic material in an attempt to make it > > > light, yet the thing weights almost a ton. In addition, it is so big, > >and > > > yet it's only a 2-seater. > > > >If it only weighed just under a ton, it would be lighting fast...certainly > >faster/quicker than even a McLaren F1...roof or no roof. > > > >How about just under two ton. > > > >;-) > > > >Later, > > > >Rich > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > -------------------- 10 -------------------- > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:36:57 -0500 > From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com > Subject: RE: [E36M3] 4-point roll bar > > > "Mark Radelow" <radelow@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > I wouldn't take a 2-door E36 on the track without a bar (after my first > > time). I have seen too many photos of E36's flipped over and pretty much > > > pancaked. The car just doesn't have great rollover protection. > > Mark, > I've seen way too many E36 M3s getting off track shiny side up to endorse > your degree of paranoia. > The drivers of the few that flipped, walked away. > YMMV ;-) > > > The bolt on's (excluding cams and euro-hfm) will get you to maybe 260. > > People claim that the Euro-hfm will net you 20hp, I have yet to see that. > > My '95 M3 with a JimC chip, ECIS CAI and Euro-HFM dynoed at 228HP and 216 > Fft.#'s at the rear wheels. > > > > Scott McClung <scott.mcclung@ubicom.com> > > > > > > Good to know. My thinking was driven by an > > > attempt to combine my track car with my > > > wife's "fun" car, and she needs to be able > > > to haul a couple kids around. > > Scott, > If you see your future M3 serving as a commuter car for a 'couple of kids', > you are all but restricting yourself to a 4 door M3. Letting passengers > crawl in and out of the rear seat of a 2-door gets very old very fast for > everyone involved. > No chance of any roll bars or cages in that car either if you love your > kids or your wife. Never mind yourself. > > > > So given equal power levels do you think a E30 would still > > > beat a E36 on a road course? > > Nope. Your assumption of 'equal' power is also optimistic. > See the Club Racing results for details. > > > > I need to get my sedan out on the track for a reference > > > point, but I also wonder how either of the 275hp-ish > > > equipped M3's would fare against my current track car, > > > a '91 vette. > > That's a C4, right? > Properly prepared and well driven C4s would pull away from E36M3s. > With the C5s, particularly of Z06 variety, it is a no contest. > > HTH, > alex f > > > > > ************************************************************** > Digest Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the digest. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************** >
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#9. Lowered with 245-40's all around - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:03:50 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Lowered with 245-40's all around >>I am thinking of putting 245-40 SO3 PP's on 17 x 8.5 M Contour wheels all the way around on my 96 M3 coupe<< I think you will need spacers up front....The Bridgestone tires are a bit wider than the the tread from the same size Pilot Sports...The Stock rears with pilot sports just barely fit up front, with about a 2mm clearance...Thats all...You should really order the spacers if you want to run these tires .... Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 45K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Fikse FM-10s; X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio
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#10. interesting alignment experience - from Jeff A
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:23:27 -0500 From: "Jeff A" <aabel@austin.rr.com> Subject: interesting alignment experience Well, I got my car aligned at the shop in my area that is reputed to be = the best. Rhinewest in San Antonio. As I soon found out, the rep was well deserved. They use a machine that = is not widely used in the US, but which is used by BMW. . it's called a = Beissbarth, model ML 4000. Pretty impressive hardware, I'd suggest any = of you highly critical bimmerheads out there to hunt down this or = equivalent machine. Foremost, it contained data not only as you would find on a run of the = mill Hunter at NTB or a Bentley manual, but all sorts of specs for E36 = cars, M and non-M, including "Sport" suspension E36 M3's, as well as = "Sport and Lowered" E36 M3 cars. It also had specs for E36 M3 "for = rough terrain" God knows what that means, probably an extra driveshaft = for the front wheels and balloon tires.=20 I had particular alignment specs in mind, based on feedback from some = competitive national level auto-x guys and some club racer friends. The tech and I pulled up the US specs for my car. Pretty much as = expected. But, when we pulled up E36 M3 3.2L "Sport" specs, VOILA! Now = we are talking. I'm looking at my printout, and here's some of the data = from that spec: Rear: -2 camber +0.25 toe (ie, toe-in, per side) Front: 7.2 caster -2 camber +0.08 toe (toe-in, per side) Pretty aggressive settings as compared against the Bentley specs. Last, I noted that that the hardware used to fasten the alignment gauges = attach through the small holes (4 of them) that are spaced b/t the lug = bolt holes on our OE rims. The tech explained that it's a superior = attachment point, and does not vary with rim tolerance such as runout = and, ahem, mods we make to our rims when bashing potholes that litter = our streets. Funny thing is, I didn't have OE rims, but BBS RX's. They had OE-like = holes, so no problem. I guess one more reason to stick with a German = aftermarket wheel, built specifically for bimmers. Jeff 97 M3/4 happily aligned PS, if anyone want to know more detailed alignment data for the "sport" = specs, feel free to shoot me a note.