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#1. Re: [E36M3] sound deadening material - from Eric ///M Foster
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Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:01:38 -0500 From: "Eric ///M Foster" <e36m3digest@jedinite.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] sound deadening material Gary, Exactly as you thought: primary purpose is sound deadening. Both for noises coming from the road and exhaust, but also to deaden vibrations from the rear deck speakers. It also has slight insulation properties, and makes for a slightly better fit for the deck lid. It's certainly been noticeably louder without it... but at the same time I removed my backseats, rear side panels, and almost all other materials (black tar, foam, speakers, plastic panels, etc) from the entire rear of the car (back of the driver). So it's hard to say the difference by itself... :) Not hard to get it out and then back in... pull it out, if you don't like the increased noise & vibration, put it back... -Eric ///M Foster http://bmw.jedinite.com
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Making 10mm spacers from 15mm spacers? - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 23:06:24 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Making 10mm spacers from 15mm spacers? I have made 16mm spacers from 20mm spacers. The 20's were put on a big lathe and then cut down to 16mm - there wasn't much to it. -Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Vern Anderson [mailto:vernon_anderson@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 9:39 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Making 10mm spacers from 15mm spacers? Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:33:13 -0400 From: "Vern Anderson" <vernon_anderson@yahoo.com> Subject: Making 10mm spacers from 15mm spacers? Has anyone ever made a 10mm spacer from a 15mm one? I have 15mm and 5mm H&R's and I have a set of 10mm off-brand ones. The 10mm ones have gone bad on me (both are warped) and I really need a 8-10mm spacer for my rear wheel setup (17x9 SSR's w/ 245 Hoosiers - with the 5mm spacers I'm getting a little bit of rubbing on the inside of the tire). I think it would be possible to grind down a 15 to the right thickness. Any advice? I'm going to ask a few local shops tomorrow that grind rotors for me. Vern Anderson ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#3. more on shaking steering wheel - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 23:13:57 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: more on shaking steering wheel >>does anyone know specifically what would cause the inside edge of the front tire to wear so heavily? is it just out of allignment?<< Get your car to shop with teh Hunter GSP9700 balance machine...You most probably are out of balance. You have all the symptoms. I had it too...That machine fixed it, after having endured it for about 20K miles. If you dont know such a shop, just go to the hunter website....Theyll direct you where to go. Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 45K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Fikse FM-10s; X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio
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#4. General Maintenance - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 23:16:08 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: General Maintenance >>hey paul...isnt it listed as an item under inspection II?<< Absolutely not! At least not in either my new car service material, nor in the schedules Ive gotten from the dealer....Thats for my '99M3...Does anybody have an m3 that DOES list it as part of their service schedules? If so, what year is your car? Thanks. Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 45K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Fikse FM-10s; X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio
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#5. Stirring the pot. E46 M3 vs. E36 M3 track day - from Jeff A
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Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 22:17:56 -0500 From: "Jeff A" <aabel@austin.rr.com> Subject: Stirring the pot. E46 M3 vs. E36 M3 track day *soapbox alert* I couldn't help myself after spending the weekend at the track with a beautiful (well to some) LSB E46 M3. . . Me: E36 M3/4, stick, H&R c/o's, sways, upgraded bushings, lots 'o camber, new Ecsta V700's (235's). Him: E46 M3, 6 spd, ground control c/o's, ground control camber plates (don't know alignment settings), new Ecsta V700's. FAT V700's. We both moved to advanced run groups, whereupon I consistently logged laps 8-10 seconds faster at a 2 minute track (what the H Stock and I Stock guys run, Bmod is around 1.50), which is a sound beating. I followed the E46 a bit during 2 sessions, and observed that while the car seemed agile for its girth, it never really took a great set and seemed to search for traction, sliding around quite alot. It appeared to be the king of 4 wheel drifts at huge slip angles, while my car would dig in. In the tight turns, I had really backed off to prevent my front bumper from getting intimate with those four beautuful exhaust tips. I know that on the track, 95% is driver, but I just couldn't get over how it seemed to be clawing for traction as my car dug in asked for more. I'm quite sure that in more capable/experienced hands, the outcome may be different. But it was equally clear to me that the increased weight of the E46 is not nullified by the bigger tires, shorter gearing, and increased power. For those of you out there toying with parting with your aging E36 M3 in favor of a fresh, younger (albiet portlier) face, my recommendation is to hang with old faithful, freshen up your suspension, and go for a dance at the track. You won't be sorry. BTW, the E46 owner was great, and acknowledged that I was a better driver in my car than he in his. Great comraderie and mutual respect for each others' rides. My post is in no way meant to rattle the E46 folks that may be reading this digest, but rather a vote of confidence for the 'long-in-the-tooth' E36 platform. Cheers. Keep the shiny side up. Jeff 97 M3/4
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#6. Re: [E36M3] AST brake bleeding procedures - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 20:50:12 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] AST brake bleeding procedures At 08:39 AM 5/19/02, Jim Musial wrote: >I will be replacing the rotors on a '97 E36 M3 soon but the Bently manual >states to have all bleeding done by the dealer. I've beld brakes many times >before so need to know what I'll be doing that could cause damage to the >AST. Nothing. Go ahead and bleed the brakes with a pressure bleeder or other method. The only thing is you aren't cycling the ABS, but that's not a big deal not to. Or, you can bleed, go drive and activate the ABS, and bleed again. But you don't have to be too concerned about it. >I would like to swap out the standard fluid for Super Blue. Yep, good idea. Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 KP
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Spark Plugs - from Alan Taur
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Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 22:00:23 -0700 From: "Alan Taur" <alantaur@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Spark Plugs > Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 11:19:42 -0700 > From: "Michael Kelley" <mkelley@nc.rr.com> > Subject: Re: Spark plugs > > Kit, further roaming around on the ETK CD finds that Euro 3.2L M3's (95-98) > use an > NGK PKR 7A, BMW pn# 12 12 9 069 048. I don't know if it's a multi-electrode > (I guess it is), not even sure how you would get any to try, but it is a 7 > heat range NGK plug and might work well in a forced induction application. > BTW, I can't find it on the NGK website. Sorry, these plugs are a different thread size than the ones in the US motors. Plus, these stupid plugs normally cost over $20 each. The cheapest I've ever seen them for is $15 each. BTW, they are single electrode with the "pointiest" plug tip I've ever seen. -Alan, who's pretty much stuck with spending nearly $100 everytime the plugs need to be changed.
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#8. Re: [E36M3] $6 inspection II - from Jeff A
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 07:28:14 -0500 From: "Jeff A" <aabel@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] $6 inspection II > Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:58:32 -0400 > From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> > Subject: $6 inspection II > > >>). But, while I was filling up, thought I'd give a bottle of fuel > injector cleaner a try on > the last tank of gas. STP Concentrated Fuel Injector Cleaner (around $6) << > > Usually, Techron has been the recommended fuel additive to use in our > cars...Do you think that STP would be more effective for this application? > > Paul Elliott I'd stick with Techron. That's what BMW recommends and in fact the BMW FI/Valve cleaner is rebottled Techron. Since a bottle of Techron from Pep Boys is only a few bucks more, I'd get that and leave the STP for the NASCAR wannabes. Jeff
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Stirring the pot. E46 M3 vs. E36 M3 track day - from Gerry
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 9:47:42 -0400 From: Gerry <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stirring the pot. E46 M3 vs. E36 M3 track day Jeff, Spending considerable time and money this year to compare the E36 and E46 ///M3's at the track has lead me to declare that given equal drivers, the E46///M3 is the better car. My c/o'ed, R compounds and PF 97's prepare E36 is a little better than an E46 with stock suspension, camber adjusted to full negative possible, R compounds and stock brake pads. However a balanced E46 with GC suspension and camber plates, R compounds, and PF 97 or 01 equivalents should drive by an equally prepare E36. Something to do with that sweet engine. The relentless testing will continue over the next few weeks as the cars are further developed and a report will be submitted... Gerry > > From: "Jeff A" <aabel@austin.rr.com> > Date: 2002/05/19 Sun PM 11:29:07 EDT > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: [E36M3] Stirring the pot. E46 M3 vs. E36 M3 track day > > Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 22:17:56 -0500 > From: "Jeff A" <aabel@austin.rr.com> > Subject: Stirring the pot. E46 M3 vs. E36 M3 track day > > *soapbox alert* > > I couldn't help myself after spending the weekend at the track with a > beautiful (well to some) LSB E46 M3. . . > > Me: E36 M3/4, stick, H&R c/o's, sways, upgraded bushings, lots 'o camber, > new Ecsta V700's (235's). > > Him: E46 M3, 6 spd, ground control c/o's, ground control camber plates > (don't know alignment settings), new Ecsta V700's. FAT V700's. > > We both moved to advanced run groups, whereupon I consistently logged laps > 8-10 seconds faster at a 2 minute track (what the H Stock and I Stock guys > run, Bmod is around 1.50), which is a sound beating. I followed the E46 a > bit during 2 sessions, and observed that while the car seemed agile for its > girth, it never really took a great set and seemed to search for traction, > sliding around quite alot. It appeared to be the king of 4 wheel drifts at > huge slip angles, while my car would dig in. In the tight turns, I had > really backed off to prevent my front bumper from getting intimate with > those four beautuful exhaust tips. > > I know that on the track, 95% is driver, but I just couldn't get over how it > seemed to be clawing for traction as my car dug in asked for more. I'm > quite sure that in more capable/experienced hands, the outcome may be > different. But it was equally clear to me that the increased weight of the > E46 is not nullified by the bigger tires, shorter gearing, and increased > power. > > For those of you out there toying with parting with your aging E36 M3 in > favor of a fresh, younger (albiet portlier) face, my recommendation is to > hang with old faithful, freshen up your suspension, and go for a dance at > the track. You won't be sorry. > > BTW, the E46 owner was great, and acknowledged that I was a better driver in > my car than he in his. Great comraderie and mutual respect for each others' > rides. My post is in no way meant to rattle the E46 folks that may be > reading this digest, but rather a vote of confidence for the > 'long-in-the-tooth' E36 platform. > > Cheers. Keep the shiny side up. > > Jeff > 97 M3/4 > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > >
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Stirring the pot. E46 M3 vs. E36 M3 track day - from Jeff A
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:55:25 -0500 From: "Jeff A" <aabel@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stirring the pot. E46 M3 vs. E36 M3 track day Thanks Gerry, Yeah, I do think that given equal drivers, the E46 would have fared much better. Given the extra weight of the E46 and the very similar suspension setups of the two cars (BMW didn't make radical suspension changes), I still think that the lighter E36 will prove more nimble and post faster cornering speeds. Hard to argue with the laws of physics. Sort of the same argument we heard from the E30 guys 7 years ago. . . In a full lap, depending on the track, I suppose the extra hp, more aggressive gearing and stiffer body structure of the E46 will win out. Having driven the E46 and having been on the track with them, I don't think they are worth 2X my E36. But, that's just me. . . everyone in a position to drop the coin for an E46 has to make this decision based on their heirarchy of needs. I'd rather throw cams and a 3.46 or 3.64 in my E36 to even out the playing field a bit. :) There's something appealing to me to in roasting cars on the track, including the new M3, in my rather conservative and stock looking sedan. :) Jeff > Jeff, > Spending considerable time and money this year to compare the E36 and E46 ///M3's at the track has lead me to declare that given equal drivers, the E46///M3 is the better car. My c/o'ed, R compounds and PF 97's prepare E36 is a little better than an E46 with stock suspension, camber adjusted to full negative possible, R compounds and stock brake pads. However a balanced E46 with GC suspension and camber plates, R compounds, and PF 97 or 01 equivalents should drive by an equally prepare E36. Something to do with that sweet engine. > > The relentless testing will continue over the next few weeks as the cars are further developed and a report will be submitted... > Gerry >