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#1. Open Track Challenge Results - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:21:49 -0700 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: Open Track Challenge Results Just got back in last night from running the Open Track Challenge, and wanted to send out some of the results: * Navid Kahangi in his E46 M3 took Touring 2, and took second place in Touring overall -- the only car faster than him was a T1 600+ hp Viper. He succeeded in pissing off every Corvette driver out there. Not bad for a stock motor. ;-) * Touring 2 also saw a split for 3rd place between a supercharged M Coupe and a turbo E36 M3. In true BMW spirit, they both declined to finish the last day of sessions so that they could share the podium and not edge the other out. * Does a match-up between a 3.6L Porsche 911 and a J Stock E30 M3 sound fair? Not to me either, but that's what Touring 3 looked like. The organizers made a big mistake in classifying the Porsche in our group, much to the protest of everyone in T3. Even with that unfair advantage, Bill Arnold and Tamara Hull managed to trounce the 911 and take 1st place -- this without power steering and an AC for between the tracks, both of which broke en route. * Also in Touring 3, our automatic 330i was holding steady in 4th (or 3rd if you didn't agree with the 911 ringer in our class), including a 1st place finish at one of the tracks, but we were plagued by serious mechanical difficulties. They finally did us in at Thunderhill when we blew a wheel bearing and our driveshaft CV joint. We were able to get it repaired, but missed Buttonwillow and lost our position. We ended 6th out of 9 entries. * Touring 4 saw the 2nd place finish of another BMW AG product -- a bone-stock Mini Cooper S! That car was like the little engine that could. A BMW CCA J Stock racer drove the wheels off of that car to take out some pretty serious import racers. Overall it was a great showing for the BMW crowd. We stuck together to keep each other running throughout the stressful 3000+ mile highway drives on top of the 7 days of hard track driving. Look for my full report on the race in the Roundel August issue. I hope to see more folks from the list out there with us next year! -peterg
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Why no overdrive? - from Steve Grigory
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:59:34 -0700 From: Steve Grigory <sgrigory@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Why no overdrive? Quite a lot of the Euro car companies have done the close-ratio, non-overdrive 5 speeds in the past. They do it to keep the ratios close so when you shift gears you stay in a better rpm band. On one hand it would be nice to have an overdrive gear in the E36 M3 for gas mileage and noise, but I have to admit I genuinely love how the car drives in 5th gear now. It has great pick up and you don't have that 'need to downshift' feeling that most cars have. If I came across a cheap Euro 6 speed, I personally wouldn't bother to buy it and convert. And I'm genuinely grateful that BMW didn't back off and put a "regular 5-speed" in the U.S. M3. That would have been a shame. Additionally, some people like to put down the E36 U.S. M3 since it is "missing" the Euro engine and the 6-speed. But considering the fact that they were looking to keep the cost of the car down and decided to use a bigger, higher hp version of the existing engine- I think they made the right decision. There would be a lot less E36 M3's on the road now, less after market goodies for them, less people enjoying them, etc, etc. if they had cost (I'll guess here) $50k when they were new. I had this thought recently while I was looking at a $60k ($54.5k plus CA tax and license) E46 M3. A nice car, but OUCH! And I fully ignored the silly-ass $10k "Market Adjustment" price bump the car also had on it. That I just laughed at! steve
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#3. Where to buy Brake Rotors? - from Reid Conti
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:07:03 -0700 From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: Where to buy Brake Rotors? Howdy.. gonna do my brakes shortly. Down to the wear sensors. Front and rear rotors each have about a 1mm lip. I s'pose I should replace em. All 4? Anyway, I know I need 4 new wear sensors, new pad set, new rotors.. Do I replace the parking brake shoes or no? Also, where should I buy rotors? I found OE Brembos from www.gapa.com for $47 apiece, rears for $65 ea. (I bought my water pump and stuff from them, I really like their outfit). I want euro floatings, but turner has em for $150 ea.. No way in hell they're worth 3x as much to me (a non-track-junkie). Can I get the euros any cheaper? - reid
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Where to buy Brake Rotors? - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:18:55 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Where to buy Brake Rotors? At 02:09 PM 5/20/02, Reid Conti wrote: >Anyway, I know I need 4 new wear sensors Nope, there's only 2: Left front & right rear, IIRC. >Do I >replace the parking brake shoes or no? Probably not. >Also, where should I buy rotors? I found OE Brembos from www.gapa.com for >$47 apiece, rears for $65 ea. (I bought my water pump and stuff from them, I >really like their outfit). I usually recommend Steve D'G at The Ultimate Garage. He's got all you'll need for doing brakes (pads, rotors, wear sensors) at good prices and great service. >I want euro floatings, but turner has em for $150 ea.. No way in hell >they're worth 3x as much to me (a non-track-junkie). Can I get the euros >any cheaper? IMO, the Euros aren't worth the added cost, even if you are a track junkie. I suggest going with the Brembos. I'm sure others have info on where you can get inexpensive Euro rotors, I don't. Hope that helps, Jim Bassett
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Where to buy Brake Rotors? - from twisty M3
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:24:33 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Where to buy Brake Rotors? They *used to* be $108 each at Nick Alexander (or was that Pacific BMW?). Not sure if that price still stands, but I'm sure it's still less than the $150 price you found. Jonathan >From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> > >I want euro floatings, but turner has em for $150 ea.. No way in hell >they're worth 3x as much to me (a non-track-junkie). Can I get the euros >any cheaper? > >- reid > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
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#6. [E36M3] Willow Springs this weekend - from twisty M3
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:26:41 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Willow Springs this weekend Just checking in to see who's going to Willow Springs this weekend. Let me know! Yet another event that I believe still has spots available, if anyone has nothing better to do. ;) Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
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#7. exhaust or flywheel - from Gary A. Preece
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:26:54 -0400 From: "Gary A. Preece" <gapreece@entreky.net> Subject: exhaust or flywheel If you had $700, which would you add to your M3? A new lightweight flywheel or an aftermarket exhaust. Positives? Of course there is the potential for rattles or loudness.
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#8. Re: [E36M3] exhaust or flywheel - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:35:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] exhaust or flywheel I'd do the flywheel. It really helps with driveability where downshifting from 3rd to 2nd is a breeze now...no extrememly deliberate stab at the gas to get the revs to climb to spread the gap. The ability to lay down some rubber without dumping the clutch is also nice :) Chester --- "Gary A. Preece" <gapreece@entreky.net> wrote: > If you had $700, which would you add to your M3? A new lightweight flywheel > or an aftermarket exhaust. Positives? Of course there is the potential for > rattles or loudness. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
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#9. Re: [E36M3] exhaust or flywheel - from Matt Henson
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] exhaust or flywheel --- "Gary A. Preece" <gapreece@entreky.net> wrote: > Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:26:54 -0400 > From: "Gary A. Preece" <gapreece@entreky.net> > Subject: exhaust or flywheel > > If you had $700, which would you add to your M3? A > new lightweight flywheel > or an aftermarket exhaust. Positives? Of course > there is the potential for > rattles or loudness. Gary, Depends on what you are trying to accomplish. An exhaust is for sound and looks. It will add very little or no power - most will actually hurt low-end torque a bit. It will remove as much as 25lbs from the weight of the car, which is it's only "significant" performance gain. The flywheel is for performance. It will hurt your drivability a little and likely cause rattling. But it will help acceleration, especially in the 1st 2 or 3 gears. A lot of people have found that they can spin the tires from a rolling start in 1st gear. That may not be a good thing if anyone who might themselves in trouble with this type of feature drives it (traction control probably helps here, if you have it). Now, if you got the flywheel for performance and a nice, loud exhaust to drown the rattle, you'd be set. -Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
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#10. RE: [E36M3] exhaust or flywheel - from Mel Silva
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:45:29 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] exhaust or flywheel This is just me, but I would do the exhaust unless I needed to change the clutch. If my clutch was still going strong, then I would have no reason to drop the transmission, and at that point I may as well do a clutch while everything is out, just so I can change the flywheel? Just an ease of installation point of view. Mel -----Original Message----- From: Gary A. Preece [mailto:gapreece@entreky.net] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 5:29 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] exhaust or flywheel Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:26:54 -0400 From: "Gary A. Preece" <gapreece@entreky.net> Subject: exhaust or flywheel If you had $700, which would you add to your M3? A new lightweight flywheel or an aftermarket exhaust. Positives? Of course there is the potential for rattles or loudness. ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************