E36M3 #2308

Tuesday, May 21, 2002 14:54:46

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#1. replacing climate control - from kitwetzler@mindspring.com
#2. FS: Brembo rotors and PF90 pads - from j.demartino@us.qiagen.com
#3. Re: Replacing Climate control - from JUSTIN GERRY
#4. zimmerman xdrills - from Reid Conti
#5. Re: [E36M3] zimmerman xdrills - from Robert Chay
#6. X-brace nutsert part # - from RacerxJLing@aol.com
#7. Re: [E36M3] replacing climate control - from twisty M3
#8. Re: Replacing Climate control - from twisty M3
#9. Re: [E36M3] X-brace nutsert part # - from David Bauer
#10. Re: [E36M3] replacing climate control - from kitwetzler@mindspring.com

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#1. replacing climate control - from kitwetzler@mindspring.com
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:17:15 -0400 From: "kitwetzler@mindspring.com" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: replacing climate control > Mine doesn't seem to stem for a fuse, relay or > microfilter, so a mechanic suggested replacing the actual console. What are your symptoms? I decided that mine was finally dead. It has become very flaky and sometimes just halfway dies (all backlighting fails, but you can still see the display in sunlight, but none of the buttons work and the fan dies and the A/C kicks on) or it all the way dies, (completely blank, no lights, etc). Then it randomly comes back on, most of the time moving the harness in the rear kicks it back on. I ordered a new one (thanks Chester!) and it will be here later this week. Be forewarned, a new unit does not include the buttons. You have to take 4 torx screws out of your old unit and swap them over. Removing the climate control unit is trivial, I can do it while driving, now... just pop out the OBC (reach under into the slot, and pop it forward,) and then reach through the space the OBC formerly occupied and push the climate control forward. It is just held in by spring pressure. Also, make sure to replace the radio/climate control frame, if the slot on it is broken. There is a small slot that the climate control's tab slides into, if you pull it apart, look on top for a flat tab that sticks out about 3/4" in the center. It's obvious when you have it out. That prevents up and down movement and broke awhile ago on my car, I suspect the additional movement is what killed the unit. -kit 97 m3/4, looking forward to having non-flaky climate control -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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#2. FS: Brembo rotors and PF90 pads - from j.demartino@us.qiagen.com
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:17:35 +0200 From: j.demartino@us.qiagen.com Subject: FS: Brembo rotors and PF90 pads I have a set of front E36 Brembo rotors and PF90 pads I would like to sell. The set has about 100 miles on it and is absolutely guaranteed to be straight and good as new. There is zero wear on either the pads or rotors. Yours for $125, you pay shipping. John DeMartino QIAGEN Inc. Senior Product Manager Drug Screening and Assay Development Phone: 800-426-8157, ext. 23507 Fax: 661-702-3652 j.demartino@us.qiagen.com www.qiagen.com <http://www.qiagen.com/> QIAGEN. Dedicated to Your Success.

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#3. Re: Replacing Climate control - from JUSTIN GERRY
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:34:02 -0400 From: "JUSTIN GERRY" <JGERRY@butchers.com> Subject: Re: Replacing Climate control I went through this last summer. It can be one of two things: 1) Resistor pack on the high speed fan unit (there was a time when these were on national backorder!!) 2) Digital Climate Control Unit I had the same symptoms that gradually became worse as time went on.... A) I was able to get my digital climate control unit to work again for awhile by pulling the fuse for the high speed fan unit. This seemed to fix things for awhile. It got worse.... and the climate control unit seemed to have a mind of its own blinking on and off. If you remove the OBC you can reach up behind it and pop out the digital climate control unit. I found that if I moved the wiring behind it I could get it to come on again and work. I got pretty good at stop lights and I could actually pull the OBC out and pull the climate control unit out and get it to come on again, all in the span of about minute. B) There was a cracked/broken soldier point somewhere on the main PCB of the control unit. I tried to reflow the solder but it did not seem to last long. Might have been a tiny crack in the PCB on a cross connector that I could not see. C) I finally gave in and used my CPO warranty ($50) and got a rebuilt unit (retail for about ~$210 for the unit) and everything has been fine. The problem for me was that the wiring tugged on the control unit and eventually the attachment point cracks somewhere. If it happens again I will get a magnifying glass to find out exactly where the PCB cracked. The most common problem is the resistor pack (see 1) and that will cause the fan to do nothing like you both describe. Also the rebuilt digital units have updated firmware so the "automatic" actually works likes its supposed to and all the weird quirks (strange fan settings etc) have been ironed out. At least the digital unit is modular and very easy to replace if you do need a new control unit. The newer digital system is great when it works (much more accurate then the pre '96 knobs and dials) but we pay for it because it does not last as long. Although I am sure the 2nd generation E46 digital unit is more durable than the 1st generation E36 digital unit.... -Justin -- '76 02 (Whimsical) (with original vent sliders working just fine thank you after 26 years) '97 M3 (Orion) (2nd climate control unit) BMW CCA#77056 check out http://users.vei.net/jgerry -------------------- 2 -------------------- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: russell <driver8m3@yahoo.com> Subject: air conditioner problem -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:39:15 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: [E36M3] Replacing Climate Control? If I do go with replacing it, which I think I will, Is it a pretty simple operation. Just remove the old and plug in the new? Anyone have a write up on the R/R, or should I finally drop the $50-$60 on a Bentley? ;) (if that particular procedure is in there)

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#4. zimmerman xdrills - from Reid Conti
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:08:01 -0700 From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: zimmerman xdrills Not sure if anyone's interested.. but my favorite parts site, gapa.com, just changed things up a bit.. click on "BMW" and a window pops up.. completely catalog, driveshafts, crossdrilled rotors, or reset tools.. click on crossdrilled rotors, then E36 M3. Zimmerman Cross-drilled rotors, front pair sale for $140 (normally $170, although they've never sold them for this much because they just added them today I think), rear pair sale for $140. I'm not sure if Zimmermans are good rotors, if the price is good, or if they're a decent weight (30 lbs per pair). Just thought I'd pass along the info. Myself, I'm going for the stock brembos for $50 each, I don't need cheese-graters :) - reid

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#5. Re: [E36M3] zimmerman xdrills - from Robert Chay
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:37:24 -0400 From: Robert Chay <rchay@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] zimmerman xdrills FYI- Eurasian sells Zimmerman x-drilled rotors for 60.95 fr (ea) and 54.95 rr (ea) I've bought from Eurasian many times over the years and they've been great on service and prices. -Bobby ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:08:01 -0700 > From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> > Subject: zimmerman xdrills > > Not sure if anyone's interested.. but my favorite parts site, gapa.com, just > changed things up a bit.. click on "BMW" and a window pops up.. completely > catalog, driveshafts, crossdrilled rotors, or reset tools.. click on > crossdrilled rotors, then E36 M3. > > Zimmerman Cross-drilled rotors, front pair sale for $140 (normally $170, > although they've never sold them for this much because they just added them > today I think), rear pair sale for $140. I'm not sure if Zimmermans are > good rotors, if the price is good, or if they're a decent weight (30 lbs per > pair). Just thought I'd pass along the info. Myself, I'm going for the > stock brembos for $50 each, I don't need cheese-graters :) > > - reid >

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#6. X-brace nutsert part # - from RacerxJLing@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:53:28 EDT From: RacerxJLing@aol.com Subject: X-brace nutsert part # Anyone have the x-brace part #'s for the nutserts in a 95 M3? Who has the best prices/knowledge of them? Thanks guys Jeff

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#7. Re: [E36M3] replacing climate control - from twisty M3
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:23:41 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] replacing climate control >From: "kitwetzler@mindspring.com" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> > > > Mine doesn't seem to stem for a fuse, relay or > > microfilter, so a mechanic suggested replacing the actual console. > >What are your symptoms? > Well, it "looks" like it works. All the lights are fine and it looks like it adjusts itself appropriately based on the temp. (i.e. readout goes high when it's hot and comes back down as it cools from the air coming in through my windows/sun roof), the fan, however, doesn't pay attention to what the unit is telling it to do. AC and heat work, but the fan only blows at one constant low pressure. It started off by periodically coming back on full force, but now the fan just stays at the same level, but I can hear it working... just not hard enough. Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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#8. Re: Replacing Climate control - from twisty M3
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:28:52 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Replacing Climate control How hard is it to get to the resistor pack and check it? My mechanic and I did swap out something, which I thought was the resistor pack, with another E36M3 he had in the shop, but that didn't work. This was in the driver's side engine bay. Is the resistor pack easily accesible? (so I can verify that's what we checked) Jonathan L. >From: "JUSTIN GERRY" <JGERRY@butchers.com> > >1) Resistor pack on the high speed fan unit (there was a time when >these were on national backorder!!) >2) Digital Climate Control Unit > >(creative editing) > >The most common problem is the resistor pack (see 1) and that will >cause the fan to do nothing like you both describe. > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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#9. Re: [E36M3] X-brace nutsert part # - from David Bauer
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:40:39 -0500 From: David Bauer <dbauer@blkbox.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] X-brace nutsert part # Jeff, Check out this writeup: http://www.unofficialbmw.com/%7Edalus/bmw/e36/suspension/e36_rons_xbrace_install.html I went the AVK route for the nutserts. You can get them and the tool at www.reidtool.com. Don't forget the 17/32 drill bit. Dave 95 M3 RacerxJLing@aol.com wrote: > > Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:53:28 EDT > From: RacerxJLing@aol.com > Subject: X-brace nutsert part # > > Anyone have the x-brace part #'s for the nutserts in a 95 M3? > > Who has the best prices/knowledge of them? > > Thanks guys > > Jeff > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* -- This mail has been sent using 100% recycled bits

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#10. Re: [E36M3] replacing climate control - from kitwetzler@mindspring.com
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:51:03 -0400 From: "kitwetzler@mindspring.com" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] replacing climate control > unit is telling it to do. AC and heat work, > but the fan only blows at one constant low pressure. that sounds like a fan resistor gone dead. it's much cheaper than the climate control unit! (although... hm. the resistor should result in the fan blowing only on high) Try this. Disconnect the climate control unit and then turn the car to the run position. The fan should default to the highest speed. That'll tell you if it's the climate control unit or something else that is hosed. -kit -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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