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#1. Re: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light - from Jason Jensen
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 00:44:13 -0400 From: "Jason Jensen" <jasonjensen75@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light Depends on who you talk to...Oil company...Every 3-6k miles...BMW...10-15k....Amsoil...25k My last oil change was done at the dealer and at 7700 miles w/ one green light left I changed it (Didn't have the nerve to go any longer). Had it tested, and the results came back perfect. Oil was lubricating well with in specs, trace particulates, and a low acidic level. Suggested I retest in another 4k miles. If it makes you feel better, change it every 3k miles, but according to everything I've read (not counting Jiffylube.com) and witnessed that is $$ down the drain. A decent synth will last the 10-15k service intervals BMW recommends. Some oils, namely Amsoil, claim an even longer life(25k). YMMV depending on track use and what not. Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Lee" <mclee@ieee.org> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:04 AM Subject: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 23:58:12 -0400 > From: Johnny Lee <mclee@ieee.org> > Subject: Oil Serive Light > > > Just a question for the people who change their own oil. Do you follow the > dashboard indicator light or change the oil by the mileage. I was going to > just follow the light but my mechanic said that i should change the oil no > more than 4000 miles. Is that a correct approach or the light is a better > indicator? > > Thanks, > > -Johnny > > >
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#2. Need Some help - from Robert Exconde
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 23:58:57 -0500 From: "Robert Exconde" <99e36m3@exconde.com> Subject: Need Some help Try this one more time Guys need some help... The radiator fan on my car wont turn off! Keeps going on and on and on.... I turned the car on and off, and again, and again, and it wont turn off! I wont have time to wait for the roadside assistance. So if I don't hear anything I'll just disconnect the battery, overnight and then reconnect in the morning so I can leave for work. Any ideas? R
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light - from Michael
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 04:27:04 -0400 From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light ----- Original Message ----- > The great oil-changing interval debate. ;) oil every 10-12k miles, which I think is excessive. > > Even with synthetic I change mine apx. every 3k miles for peace of mind, > depending on conditions. > Some might say you can go the full 10k miles or more on the same sythetic > oil, but I don't feel comfortable doing that. ----------- Just some food for thought. For all the folks that change oil every 3000 miles, where did you learn or pick up that habit? What technical data (which one would follow for EVERYTHING else) suggests changing it every 3000 miles? In all my years of being a car nut, never have seen 1 FAILURE in an engine due to an oil related problem except for the lack of oil. Oil testing, which many have done on this list, PROVES 3000 miles is a huge waste of time and is a great example of following marketing by the oil company. I can promise that most who do the 3000 oil change routine dont fall for other marketing gimicks. Think of the money wasted, the amounts of extra polluted oil that is being disposed of due to pure marketing by oil companies. It just amazes me to the number of seemingly intelligent people that will follow such a old marketing ploy with no scientific data to prove it is justified. Wish I could market a product and convince the herd of cows, ops, consumers that they need to buy more when the product is only at typically half its useful life. Just find the 3000 mile oil change frame of mind amazing, it is so ingrained into many, many people. Mike
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 02:32:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light --- Michael <95m3ltw@charter.net> wrote: > Just find the 3000 mile oil change > frame of mind amazing, it > is so ingrained into many, many people. praise be to the oracle of jiffy lube may its shiny red arrow guide my way through its hallowed, yet narrow, intervals... may my synthetic run anew from the drain-plug as i give my tithings to his prophet, the Mobil One. hark! yet another green light has disappeared! the service-man summoneth! until next time, or 3000 miles, whichever is sooner...
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#5. Belt Replacement - from Scott King
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light - from Johnny Lee
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 08:01:29 -0400 From: Johnny Lee <mclee@ieee.org> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light Thank you all for the advice, tips for the oil change intervals. I am currently using Mobil 1 15W-50 and plan to use 10W-30 in the winter. Semi-agrresive diving habit and not too much tracking (not yet.) I think I will use the half-indicator light method for the comfort level. 3K miles is defintely too soon since it has been 2K miles and not a single green light has disappeared. So half-way there seems a reasonable compromise .... -Johnny
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light - from twisty M3
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 06:04:55 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light >From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> > > It just amazes me to the number of seemingly intelligent >people that will follow such a old marketing ploy with no scientific data >to >prove it is justified. > Mike, Hmm, I think I fall into your description. I like to fancy myself somewhat intelligent, true or not, and I rarely fall for any marketing hype... unless it's car-related. ;) Actually, I'm usually pretty thorough in investigating things, but I haven't been with oil changing. I'm all for saving money and the environment, if I can find some proof that the changes aren't necessary. I was going by 4-5k intervals (half way through the lights) until I started tracking the car more often. I was just using the fact that the oil gets so hot and *might* be loosing some of it's beneficial properties as reason enough to change (talking to many club racing mechanics that change every 3k miles too). > >they need to buy more when the product is only at typically half its >useful life. Just find the 3000 mile oil change frame of mind amazing, it >is so ingrained into many, many people. > By this statement, I assume you're saying that 6k miles is more appropriate? Would this also cover track cars, and do you actually have solid info on this? I'm absolutely NOT trying to be an instigator or anything, as I'm genuinely interested in the info. If I could drop a few oil changes here and there, that would almost cover a full track day, or a tire or two, or a couple of pads, or.... ;) ;) Thanks, Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Oil Service Light - from Mel Silva
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:43:58 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Oil Service Light Jonathan, I am going to agree "more" with Mike on this. Yet, I also hear what you are saying. My M3 only sees street duty, so I pay a little more for motor oil (I run the Amsoil Series 2000 20W-50 Severe Service Racing Oil) and change my oil when the service interval lights come on. I have a sample of the old oil I am planning to send to the Amsoil lab and can post the results if anyone is interested. However, on a car that sees "open track" duty, where high loads and high RPM's are sustained, I too felt it necessary (without having any lab analysis to back up my tendencies) to change the oil before the track event. I would run the oil in the engine for a short time (1 or 2 weeks) after the event before the little niggling feeling gnawed on me enough to change it. I don't think this is necessary for Auto-X duty since the loads are less than 2 minutes, where open track can be 20 to 30 minutes (I referring to each run between cool-down periods). Maybe we as a group should do some lab analysis work to prove or disprove what we think we know is right? I can do the analysis on my own oil (part of my Amsoil dealership fees), but that doesn't even represent the Paul Elliott's with 350 forced induction Hp. Okay, I'm going to stop now since I realize that I am only fanning the flames without providing a solution. I hate it when I do that! It's like when you take one of those...ice pick's, yeah and you shove it in your ear until it can't go anymore. So, I got one of those...ballpean hammers, yeah and... Mel -----Original Message----- From: twisty M3 [mailto:twistym3@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 8:15 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 06:04:55 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light >From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> > > It just amazes me to the number of seemingly intelligent >people that will follow such a old marketing ploy with no scientific data >to >prove it is justified. > Mike, Hmm, I think I fall into your description. I like to fancy myself somewhat intelligent, true or not, and I rarely fall for any marketing hype... unless it's car-related. ;) Actually, I'm usually pretty thorough in investigating things, but I haven't been with oil changing. I'm all for saving money and the environment, if I can find some proof that the changes aren't necessary. I was going by 4-5k intervals (half way through the lights) until I started tracking the car more often. I was just using the fact that the oil gets so hot and *might* be loosing some of it's beneficial properties as reason enough to change (talking to many club racing mechanics that change every 3k miles too). > >they need to buy more when the product is only at typically half its >useful life. Just find the 3000 mile oil change frame of mind amazing, it >is so ingrained into many, many people. > By this statement, I assume you're saying that 6k miles is more appropriate? Would this also cover track cars, and do you actually have solid info on this? I'm absolutely NOT trying to be an instigator or anything, as I'm genuinely interested in the info. If I could drop a few oil changes here and there, that would almost cover a full track day, or a tire or two, or a couple of pads, or.... ;) ;) Thanks, Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#9. RE: [E36M3] Oil Service Light - from twisty M3
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 08:05:38 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Oil Service Light >From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> > > Maybe we as a group should do some lab analysis work to prove or disprove >what we think we know is right? I can do the analysis on my own oil (part >of my Amsoil dealership fees), but that doesn't even represent the Paul >Elliott's with 350 forced induction Hp. > I'm nowhere near those Hp numbers, but my car is seeing more and more track duty, and I sometimes keep the rpms rather high at some tracks, just to avoid that extra shift. The car is also my daily driver, so it sees a good variety of conditions. If someone has the info on where/how to send oil in for analysis, I'd probably be willing to be one of the subjects for the testing. > > Okay, I'm going to stop now since I realize that I am only fanning the >flames without providing a solution. I hate it when I do that! It's like >when you take one of those...ice pick's, yeah and you shove it in your ear >until it can't go anymore. So, I got one of those...ballpean hammers, yeah >and... > Oooooh! I know watcha mean. I HATE when that happens! ;) Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Oil Service - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:07:12 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil Service Who performs an oil analysis and what does it cost? Our new Volvo will be putting on about 30k per year (the M only 4-5k per year), I've already changed the oil three times! Manual says every 7,500 miles, so if I can get an oil essay done at 3,000 and then 6,000 miles, and compare results this could help and save my aching back...which hurts more than my wallet sometimes ;-)) Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 BSP Champion 2001
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#11. brake pads for school - from marc@plante.com
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 08:12:37 -0700 (PDT) From: marc@plante.com Subject: brake pads for school How many schools you going to do? What track you going to? Some are harder on brakes. If you're just going to a single school, you can get away with stock pads. You may go through a set in a weekend, but they stop well and hold up reasonably under the heat. Keep an eye on them, and realize that the last 3 mils or so of pad go very fast, so when you get to 1/2 pads, you're running pretty low. If you think you're going to be doing at least 6 days on the track, I'd recommend getting a set of track pads. They cost a fair amount, but you get your money back in durability. People have different favorites. I like the Performance Friction PF97 pads, others swear by Hawks (Blues), Pagid, etc. Marc Plante E36 325i, 198k Vienna, VA