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#1. RE: [E36M3] Oil Service - from Mel Silva
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:31:36 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Oil Service The only place I know of that does oil analysis is Oil Analyzers, Inc. through Amsoil and is available for $19.95 per analysis kit. See http://www.amsoil.com/products/g.html for additional details. I'm certain there are more places that do this, I only know of this one though. If enough people are interested, I could organize a group purchase at considerable savings to everyone. Mel -----Original Message----- From: Mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:Mdriver13@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 10:15 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil Service Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:07:12 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil Service Who performs an oil analysis and what does it cost? Our new Volvo will be putting on about 30k per year (the M only 4-5k per year), I've already changed the oil three times! Manual says every 7,500 miles, so if I can get an oil essay done at 3,000 and then 6,000 miles, and compare results this could help and save my aching back...which hurts more than my wallet sometimes ;-)) Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 BSP Champion 2001 ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#2. Re: [E36M3] brake pads for school - from donna seeley
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 08:37:23 -0700 From: donna seeley <dlseeley@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] brake pads for school Marc demonstrates his mastery of understatement: > People have different favorites. <g> He's right that at least your first school can be done with stock pads. After that, if you do more events, you can just pick one to start with. If you become a real track addict, you'll be changing pads often enough to try them all and see which suits your own driving style. Donna -- 88 M3, "Guido" #41 JP <- Has worn R4, PF90, KFP, Hawk Blue, Hawk HT10 95 M3, liked PF90
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#3. Other Oil Analysis Places - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:47:55 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: Other Oil Analysis Places This was taken from here: http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Maintenance/fluidfilter.htm : Oil Analysis As anyone who owns an aircraft already knows, oil analysis is an extremely valuable tool. One of the best known oil analysis companies is called Titan Laboratories. They provide quick turnaround, keep detailed records on each of the cars you send samples from so you have historical data comparison, perform both wear metal analysis and physical/chemical tests of the oil itself, and typically telephone you immediately if during testing they discover something drastically wrong with a sample. They provide all the sample-taking hardware, sample bottles, and self-addressed boxes. Titan Laboratories 1380 Zuni Street P.O. Box 40567 Denver, Colorado 80204 Phone 1-800-848-4826 Fax 303-595-8741 www.titancheckup.com [GM - 99/2/5] I've used a company called SmartCheck for years. They give you a readout that tracks all sorts of contaminants. They have a legend that tells you what the different contaminants in the oil indicate about the state of your engine. Due (I guess) to the fact that I use top quality oil and change it every 3-5000 miles I've never seen a spike that would indicate the need for an oil change. They measure Iron, Chromium, Lead, Copper, Tin, Aluminum, Nickel Silver and Manganese as wear elements, and Silicon, Boron, Sodium and Glycol as contaminants. SmartCheck 18419 Euclid Avenue Cleveland OH 44112-1016
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#4. oil analysis - from Mount, Mike
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 08:42:41 -0700 From: "Mount, Mike" <JMMn@pge.com> Subject: oil analysis My company uses http://www.herguth.com for analysis that our on-site tribology lab can't handle. Runs around $40 bucks or so. Tribology is best used to show trend patterns; a single analysis will only show what is present at that time. You have no way of knowing if the compounds present are the result of normal wear and tear or the symptoms of an impending bearing failure. A quick search in dogpile brings up lots of sources of information. Mike
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#5. Oil Analysis (was RE: [E36M3] Oil Service Light) - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:01:21 +0000 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Oil Analysis (was RE: [E36M3] Oil Service Light) I've used these guys: http://www.blackstone-labs.com/ and was satisfied with their service. If you search the internet for 'oil analysis', you'll find many places that offer the service. The important thing is to get repeated samples measured. While a single sample will reveal the condition of your engine for that particular oil load, you really want to track the changes as time goes on. That way, when the amount of antifreeze suddenly increases, or if a certain wear metal suddenly increases, you'll know that something has changed in your engine (leaking head gasket, lack of lubrication resulting in higher bearing wear, etc). -rb >Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 08:05:38 -0700 >From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] Oil Service Light <snip> >I'm nowhere near those Hp numbers, but my car is seeing more and more track >duty, and I sometimes keep the rpms rather high at some tracks, just to >avoid that extra shift. The car is also my daily driver, so it sees a good >variety of conditions. If someone has the info on where/how to send oil in >for analysis, I'd probably be willing to be one of the subjects for the >testing. > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Oil Service Light - from andy radin
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:10:33 -0700 From: "andy radin" <fourfa@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Oil Service Light "(I run the Amsoil Series 2000 20W-50 Severe Service Racing Oil) ... I have a sample of the old oil I am planning to send to the Amsoil lab and can post the results if anyone is interested." seems like it might be a good idea to send the sample to an independent lab... I've used these guys and like them: http://www.blackstone-labs.com/ andy r.
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#7. Re: [E36M3] brake pads for school - from twisty M3
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:22:55 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] brake pads for school Ain't that the truth! I have really liked the R4 pads so far, but I'm giving serious consideration to trying the PF90 or 97 next. The R4 has been great so far, but doesn't seem to last very long, and I constantly have pad material deposit issues. Though I think that means I need to go ahead and get myself dedicated rotors as well. Damn that slippery slope... Damn it to hell! ;) On that note... Is it necessary to change both front and rear rotors if you're using dedicated track rotors? Either way, how much time does that add to the brake pad swapping? Jonathan L. >From: donna seeley <dlseeley@earthlink.net> > >if you do more events, you can just pick one to start with. If >you become a real track addict, you'll be changing pads often enough to try >them all and see which suits your own driving style. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
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#8. Save Hoosier from the Feds - from Noah Paci
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:46:40 -0400 From: "Noah Paci" <npaci@rr.com> Subject: Save Hoosier from the Feds Please go to the following site. The Feds are looking to implement new tire safety regs that could prevent Hoosier from continuing to make and supply racing and autocross tires. So if you want continued available of Hoosier track tires please follow the directions on this site and submit your comments to DOT via the link they provide. http://www.hoosiertire.com/fmvsshlp.HTM Spread this around fast, we only have till June 5 to submit comments Cheers, Noah.
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#9. re: Oil Service - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:56:52 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: re: Oil Service "Manual says every 7,500 miles" ........and I have heard it said that under severe driving conditions our 'service lights' will count-down based on usage - sustained high RPM, number of cold starts, etc., etc.. I believe the 'change every 3k' mile myth is based on days when oil lacked the additives present today, and before sophisticated fuel injection systems existed that limit cold-start wash-down and WOT lean/rich conditions (NA engines of course). To support this belief, my recent year long overseas assignment taught me that the European community (well....Scottish community anyway) changes their crankcase lubrication fluid every 10k miles or on one year intervals (whichever comes first). So I believe the European community is a bit more conscious of the cost (out of pocket and environmental) and a bit less influenced by marketing and myth. Just my $.02 KLBurgess
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:03:34 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil Serive Light At 06:14 AM 5/24/02, twisty M3 wrote: >Hmm, I think I fall into your description. I like to fancy myself >somewhat intelligent, true or not, and I rarely fall for any marketing >hype... unless it's car-related. ;) Actually, I'm usually pretty thorough >in investigating things, but I haven't been with oil changing. > >I'm all for saving money and the environment, if I can find some proof >that the changes aren't necessary. I was going by 4-5k intervals (half >way through the lights) until I started tracking the car more often. I >was just using the fact that the oil gets so hot and *might* be loosing >some of it's beneficial properties as reason enough to change (talking to >many club racing mechanics that change every 3k miles too). I'll throw in my 2 cents: On the M3 when it was tracked heavily, I would change the oil 1/2 way through the lights. Worked out to be about 4500 miles. Using Red Line 10W40. Never had it tested though, kept the pan 1/2 - 1 qt overfull, rarely had lifter tap. Now that it's back to strictly street driving, I'll most likely follow the SI lights. And I will use one of the testers others have posted in order to get more info, but I suspect after 10K the Red Line will still be OK. On the race car, my mechanic (Bill Arnold) suggested I change it "when it gets dirty". <boggle> Thanks Bill, real helpful <g>. Having him show me on my car what "dirty" meant, turned out to be about 5000 miles. Most of that is street driving to/from the track. Using Mobil 1 15W50. There you go, one more (actually two more) useless data points <g>. Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - nearly 114K miles, still a blast to drive 1993 325is #44 KP - ~92K miles, also a blast to drive