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#1. Re: [E36M3] Gasoline Smell - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:05:25 -0700 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Gasoline Smell Re-perform the check with a very full tank of gas! Mine only smells right after a fill-up! Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: [E36M3] Gasoline Smell | Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:43:36 +0000 | From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> | Subject: Gasoline Smell | | Last week, when I drove my car ('95 M3, 10/94 build), there was a strong | smell of gasoline inside the car. I searched the 'net and found some | postings about this, and exchanged email with an E36 M3 list member who had | posted the info. He stated that it was probably the result of broken or | cracked plastic tube fittings that feed either the fuel pump (driver's side) | or level detector (right side), and these are found under the rear seat, | beneath round metal covers. | | Well, last night I pulled the rear seat and removed both covers, and could | find no traces of fuel. In fact, the dust in those areas seems to indicate | that no liquid fuel has ever leaked there. I started the car, let it run | for five minutes, and even revved it a several times, but found no signs of | fuel leakage, and did not detect the smell of fuel. | | I even checked under the hood (no fuel vapors detected at all), and looked | underneath the car for leaks, but didn't find anything. | | So, now I'm puzzled. What other things should be checked? | | Thanks, | | -rb | | | _________________________________________________________________ | Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. | http://www.hotmail.com | | | | ************************************************************* | List Commands | UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. | DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. | GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). | | To issue a command/request to the server: | Send a message with the command you wish executed as the | subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. | ************************************************************* | |
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Gasoline Smell - from Carey Probst
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:08:08 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Gasoline Smell Gas is dangerous! I know, preaching to the choir but about 30 years ago when I was working in Chicago (I know, I'm old), a woman made the Darwin list. Her husband had run out of gas on the Tristate Tollway and she was delivering a can of gas. At bout 65 mph she lit a cigarette and became a 65 mph torch. When I mentioned the new item to my assistant her comment was "Maybe I shouldn't smoke while fueling the lawnmower" Darwin lives. Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dorffer, Rich [mailto:RDORFFER@CleIndians.com] > > On a side note, at a driver school last year, I saw this old > gentleman filling > > his car with race gas from one of those jugs. He was holding a > burning cigar > > in the same hand he was handling the jug with. I guess he was > testing the > > resistance to combustion of the higher octanes, eh? > > More likely, he is trying to become a Darwin Award winner. He may > just make it based on these antics. > >
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#3. Powerdyne Supercharger Rebuild - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:21:44 -0700 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@attbi.com> Subject: Powerdyne Supercharger Rebuild I just learned to my dismay that my Dinan supercharger in my 95 M3 has = broken an internal belt. Dinan only offers a new replacement for $1800. = Does anybody out there know of a cheaper source? Can it be rebuilt? Joe Dyer 95 M3 Dinan Stage III=20
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#4. RE: [E36M3] OBDII cam kit and scored cam journal - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:18:25 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] OBDII cam kit and scored cam journal When I had my cams installed, I had a slightly scored journal too. I took it to crazy engine builder guy (don't ask but he is one of the most exacting machine shop guys ANYWHERE) and he looked at it and said that it is okay. What he did to clean them up was put the cam in a large lathe turning at a low speed and used this large, trapezoidal-looking 1" wide belt sander thing and held it over each journal for about 5 seconds and they look almost as good as new. He said that we only took less than one thousandth off and that you wouldn't need new cam carriers (is that what they are called or is it followers). Here are pictures of them "after" http://64.14.56.30/m3/cams/m3cams-001.jpg <- both cams http://64.14.56.30/m3/cams/m3cams-002.jpg <- a small score http://64.14.56.30/m3/cams/m3cams-003.jpg <- another small score http://64.14.56.30/m3/cams/m3cams-004.jpg <- nice and clean http://64.14.56.30/m3/cams/m3cams-005.jpg <- half of a close-up of both cams http://64.14.56.30/m3/cams/m3cams-006.jpg <- other half of close-up of both cams -Wayne
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#5. Cam Kit Questions - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:33:40 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Cam Kit Questions > Howdy.. I thought I'd check in with some cam kit questions, since people are > talking about them.. I assume this is the OBD I Shrick cam kit.. you can get > it from eurosport for about $2500, includes cams, chip, euro HFM, filter, > bigger injectors, etc.. correct? Should titanium valve springs be fitted at > the same time? From everything I hear..NO. Upgraded/hardened valve retainers and keepers like those used in post 1995 M3s would be a good idea though. > What does installation on something like this run? I think this is outside > of my realm as a DIY-er.. I'd like to do this some day, though.. I don't > want to go FI -- I don't need that much power, or to spend that much money.. > I just think the cam kit would give it a nice boost and a more motorsport > feel with that zingy top end. I agree completely. > My main concern is this. The euro 3.0 made 286hp at the crank. Unless I'm > terribly math-deficient, a US 3.0 with this kit, putting down 240-250hp at > the wheels, is making slightly MORE power at the crank than the euro engine. > This can't be free power. I mean, the euro engine was a marvelous piece of > work.. and we're attempting to make the SAME power out of a less .. how > should I say.. refined.. expensive engine. Doesn't this bother anyone? I'm > kind of worried about longevity. It just seems you don't get something for > nothing. Why didn't the euro cars get this cam kit added to a lower-end > engine? Why did BMW need to spend so much money to develop such an awesome > engine, when we could get basically the same power curve out of a cheaper > solution? Yes, but I assume the Euro 3.0 was designed to use lower octane gas just like our motors were. If that is the case, then we are comparing apples to oranges somewhat here. The cams/injectors/chip/intake all benefit from the higher octane gas. I don't believe longevity is a big concern going the cams/injectors/chip/intake route IMO compared to say forced induction. Six throttle bodies allowed more fuel/air into the motor. Cams/injectors/chip/intake will do the same thing (let more fuel/air into the motor) but in a different way. > I'm, of course, assuming that the power curve is about the same.. I've seen > dyno charts of a US 3.0 with cam kit, and I've seen charts of a Euro 3.0.. > they make about the same peak power, IIRC, and the curve looks about the > same.. the torque curves are then about the same, no? Comparing dyno charts, possibly on different cars on different dynos in different environments is really just an exercise and not real beneficial IMO. I guess it can give you an idea but I wouldn't try to quantify the incremental differences. > Has anyone had problems with the cam kits, IE valve springs allowing > piston/valve collisions? What am I missing here? Haven't heard of any yet. > I guess I'm just afraid the cam kit is too good to be true. If it ain't, > well, it's going in my car pretty soon :) Same here :-) BUT, after having spent the weekend at Mid-Ohio...my issues aren't a lack of power but a lack of driver skill. I guess I will just have to keep practicing. Later, Rich
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#6. Question for BM/ITE dual setup cars - from dholeman
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:43:57 -0400 From: "dholeman" <dholeman@racepad.com> Subject: Question for BM/ITE dual setup cars I have a few basic questions for anyone who has a car setup to run in BM and SCCA ITE classes. If you are willing to help please email me off line. David Holeman
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#7. RE: [E36M3] Powerdyne Supercharger Rebuild - from Mel Silva
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:53:18 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Powerdyne Supercharger Rebuild Check with the manufacturer, they usually sell rebuild/upgrade kits for these. http://www.powerdyne.com/ Mel -----Original Message----- From: Joe Dyer [mailto:joedyer@attbi.com] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:24 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Powerdyne Supercharger Rebuild Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:21:44 -0700 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@attbi.com> Subject: Powerdyne Supercharger Rebuild I just learned to my dismay that my Dinan supercharger in my 95 M3 has = broken an internal belt. Dinan only offers a new replacement for $1800. = Does anybody out there know of a cheaper source? Can it be rebuilt? Joe Dyer 95 M3 Dinan Stage III=20 ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#8. RE: [E36M3] beep...beep....beep? - from Bob Lenarcik
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:13:55 -0700 From: "Bob Lenarcik" <lenarcik@pacbell.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] beep...beep....beep? Do the three beeps happen 15 seconds before the top of the hour? Then it's the Memo button on the OBC. If it's enabled, there should be an icon next to the time display that shows a dot with 3 concentric arcs and it's there all the time. Something close to this: .))) - Bob -----Original Message----- From: Jay [mailto:jlafoi49@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:44 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] beep...beep....beep? Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay <jlafoi49@yahoo.com> Subject: beep...beep....beep? From time to time during driving, I hear three beeps coming from somewhere under the steering column. The cause may be the OBC, but I haven't set any limits or anything of that nature, and nothing shows up on the OBC when the beeps occur. Weird question, I know, but any ideas? Thanks!
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#9. Re: Cam Kit Questions - from Josh
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:41:27 -0600 From: Josh <eurosprt@xmission.com> Subject: Re: Cam Kit Questions I have pondered some of the same things while setting up the OBDII cam system. The main reason that we can do what we do relates to the two different sets of goals set by the Factory vs the goals of the Aftermarket. The factory is trying to produce a car that fits many vast and often strict parameters. We (Aftermarket) are not limited to the same parameters. Many of the parameters self set by the Factory can sometimes boarder on an esoteric and even philosophical level of thinking. In some ways the European M Motor is a perfect example of such concepts in that you have a motor that has significantly more (& better) parts than its US cousin, is more expensive to manufacture, yet only seems to produce 46hp. With the estimated retail cost difference of such motor parts set at ~+$15K one might ask the question why? The answer to that question is found in many different philosophies including the BMW Motorsport attempted goal of 100hp/liter, maintaining the BMW Motorsport Race heritage, placement of a race bred motor in a street car platform, and anything else that makes one love and respect the BMW Motorsport creations ;-) One of the most important differences in the comparison of the two US/Euro motors is found in the max potential of either motor. Already the premise of the question is somewhat flawed in that we are comparing a modified US motor to a stock Euro 3.0 motor. A more realistic comparison would be to look at the "actual" potential of either motor naturally aspirated. An apples to apples Euro to US Motor comparison would find that the Euro Motor is far better equipped. From the GT Oil pan to the solid lifters and everything in between the Euro Motor is better. However, this doesn't mean that a modified US motor under the right test conditions can't give the Euro motor a decent challenge. I have had some of my customers that have done the Euro motor swap (specifically Euro 3.0L) say that they felt that the cam kit in a US motor felt stronger than the stock Euro 3.0L motor. Based on the dyno results I have no reason to doubt their claims. As far as head modifications outside of the components in the cam kit I would say that there is no need. Schrick recommends that the cams used in our kit be used in conjunction with the factory springs and valve retainers. I have a customer who have had very bad experiences with the often touted "titanium valve retainers". This particular customer blew his motor twice before learning that the very part he spent money on to help protect his motor was the very part that blew it up. This particular customer is a physicist who ended up spending a lot of money with a reputable metallurgical firm to properly investigate the titanium retainer induced engine failures. I even have a copy of the metallurgical report that proves it. Technical arguments aside, suffice to say the Schrick cams that are in our kit are "street" cams and as such are a reasonable mod for most reasonable vehicle usage. The Cam kit in both OBDI and OBDII forms was designed around a grouping of parts that are together used to meet overall performance goal. Excellent naturally aspirated street and track performance with as little surgery as possible. The pleasure quotient of the cam system is best experienced and understood when revving past the 4000rpm mark in any gear on the right road or track. Josh www.eurosporthighperformance.com At 01:04 PM 5/31/2002 -0500, you wrote: >-------------------- 5 -------------------- >Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:25:46 -0700 >From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> >Subject: Cam Kit Questions > >Howdy.. I thought I'd check in with some cam kit questions, since people are >talking about them.. I assume this is the OBD I Shrick cam kit.. you can get >it from eurosport for about $2500, includes cams, chip, euro HFM, filter, >bigger injectors, etc.. correct? Should titanium valve springs be fitted at >the same time? > >What does installation on something like this run? I think this is outside >of my realm as a DIY-er.. I'd like to do this some day, though.. I don't >want to go FI -- I don't need that much power, or to spend that much money.. >I just think the cam kit would give it a nice boost and a more motorsport >feel with that zingy top end. > >My main concern is this. The euro 3.0 made 286hp at the crank. Unless I'm >terribly math-deficient, a US 3.0 with this kit, putting down 240-250hp at >the wheels, is making slightly MORE power at the crank than the euro engine. >This can't be free power. I mean, the euro engine was a marvelous piece of >work.. and we're attempting to make the SAME power out of a less .. how >should I say.. refined.. expensive engine. Doesn't this bother anyone? I'm >kind of worried about longevity. It just seems you don't get something for >nothing. Why didn't the euro cars get this cam kit added to a lower-end >engine? Why did BMW need to spend so much money to develop such an awesome >engine, when we could get basically the same power curve out of a cheaper >solution? > >I'm, of course, assuming that the power curve is about the same.. I've seen >dyno charts of a US 3.0 with cam kit, and I've seen charts of a Euro 3.0.. >they make about the same peak power, IIRC, and the curve looks about the >same.. the torque curves are then about the same, no? > >Has anyone had problems with the cam kits, IE valve springs allowing >piston/valve collisions? What am I missing here? > >I guess I'm just afraid the cam kit is too good to be true. If it ain't, >well, it's going in my car pretty soon :) > >thanks > >- reid > >
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#10. Re: beep...beep....beep? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:44:59 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: beep...beep....beep? on 5/31/02 1:04 PM, Jay <jlafoi49@yahoo.com> wrote: > From time to time during driving, I hear three beeps > coming from somewhere under the steering column. The > cause may be the OBC, but I haven't set any limits or > anything of that nature, and nothing shows up on the > OBC when the beeps occur. Weird question, I know, but > any ideas? Do you live anywhere near New Jersey? Neil 96 M3
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#11. Re: NJ Inspection - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:47:02 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: NJ Inspection on 5/31/02 1:04 PM, "john_stoj@excite.com" <john_stoj@excite.com> wrote: > Here in Georgia (and Illinois, North Carolina, and Indiana before that), an > amazing amount of seemingly un-roadworthy vehicles make it past "inspection." We don't even have an inspection in Indiana, although I believe there used to be one a long time ago. Neil 96 M3