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#1. Cam Kit Installation Cost - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 16:19:13 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: Cam Kit Installation Cost > What does installation on something like this run? I know that I got lucky here because I found a local BMW Tech (in NJ) that put the cams in at his house for $200. I put the rest in myself with the help of Chester Wong and, while not being an easy task, we did complete it ourselves. Just a hint - don't start this project on a Tuesday night at 8pm. Chester left at 3am for his 1 hour drive home and I finished and cleaned up until 4am. At midnight, when we finally had everything apart (and you could see directly into the intake valves), I had a sinking feeling that my car was going to have to be towed to the dealer the next day but we worked through all of the little challenges and the car started. I have been told by some people that they were quoted $1,000 or more for the install and I would think that that's about right for a shop to do everything, soup-to-nuts. -Wayne
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Cam Kit Installation Cost - from Chester Wong
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:30:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Cam Kit Installation Cost Ah, but at 3AM, the traffic is extremely light...so I made it home in about 30 minutes ;) Chester > Tuesday night at 8pm. Chester left at 3am for his 1 hour drive home and > I finished and cleaned up until 4am. At midnight, when we finally had ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Question for BM/ITE dual setup cars - from Greg Cernosek
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:32:33 -0500 From: "Greg Cernosek" <gcernosek@inetx.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Question for BM/ITE dual setup cars I am interested in this too. Greg -----Original Message----- From: dholeman [mailto:dholeman@racepad.com] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:44 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Question for BM/ITE dual setup cars Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:43:57 -0400 From: "dholeman" <dholeman@racepad.com> Subject: Question for BM/ITE dual setup cars I have a few basic questions for anyone who has a car setup to run in BM and SCCA ITE classes. If you are willing to help please email me off line. David Holeman
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#4. [E36M3] Re: NJ Inspection - from john_stoj@excite.com
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 16:51:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "john_stoj@excite.com" <john_stoj@excite.com> Subject: [E36M3] Re: NJ Inspection stoj@excite.com> wrote: > > > Here in Georgia (and Illinois, North Carolina, and Indiana before > that), an > > amazing amount of seemingly un-roadworthy vehicles make it past > "inspection." > > We don't even have an inspection in Indiana, although I believe there > used > to be one a long time ago. > > Neil > 96 M3 > I guess that would be the reason no one ever asked me to have one while I was there. ;-) - John ------------------------------------------------ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Cam Kit Questions - from peter@guagenti.com
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:48:33 US/Pacific From: peter@guagenti.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Cam Kit Questions > Howdy.. I thought I'd check in with some cam kit questions, since people are > talking about them.. I assume this is the OBD I Shrick cam kit.. I think the discussion has been floating around about both. > What does installation on something like this run? This is not a DIY project. It requires special tools and can easily be screwed up. I paid for a full day's labor, although the job on my car took about a day and a half (it's great to be friends with your mechanic) due to factory mis- aligned cams. Overall, this was the best mod for the money. I already had the EuroHFM/intake combo, so the $1500 for the kit and the $1000 for labor was well worth it. I didn't do any new internals at the time, and the car has run great. The cams feel about the same until about 3k, and then pulls hard. The really nice part is that the HP curve doesn't drop off, it just keeps climbing until the rev limiter kicks in. Having driven forced-induction cars, I would have to say that I prefer the cams, even if the power is less. They feel more linear, more "natural", and don't change the character of the motor at all (which was good to begin with). > My main concern is this. The euro 3.0 made 286hp at the crank. Unless I'm You have to ask yourself, "how does it do that". The big change with the euro motor was better breathing. It has individual throttle bodies feeding it, making up for a known deficiency in the motor design (the intake path). > This can't be free power. Umm, no, it's about $3k. Seriously, there is no real downside here. You are forced to use much better fuel, will burn it more quickly when driving hard, and the power is mostly at the top end. That's about all of the downsides there are. You have to look at the power curve to see the difference here. You are talking about higher top-end numbers, but they are all the way at redline. That's what the cams really give you. As for total-cost-of-ownership on HP improvements, I'll take this over FI anyday. I have watched turbo'd and SC'd cars blow motors, break blowers, hole piston walls, etc., all in the search for more power. granted, with a mild installation this is less likely, but it happens. They are more finicky, require considerably more effort to run well, etc. > I mean, the euro engine was a marvelous piece of > work.. and we're attempting to make the SAME power out of a less .. how > should I say.. refined.. expensive engine. I think you're nuts. It has nothing to do with one being more "refined" then the other. They're both BMW engines. The fascist US DOT had a problem with some of the things on the Euro motor, and BMW thought we wouldn't pay the mark-up of using such an advanced engine design. Those were the chief contributors to where our "330is" came from. The S50/S52 is still a damn good motor, even of the E30 snobs won't accept it as a "true" ///M. > Doesn't this bother anyone? I'm > kind of worried about longevity. Than leave the car stock. If you're gonna play, be willing to pay. ;-) > It just seems you don't get something for > nothing. Why didn't the euro cars get this cam kit added to a lower-end > engine? Because individual throttle bodies are all they needed. And why didn't the US cars get them? Because fuel economy, bottom-end torque, and cost were bigger issues. > Why did BMW need to spend so much money to develop such an awesome > engine, when we could get basically the same power curve out of a cheaper > solution? It's not the same power curve, it's similar top-end numbers. > Has anyone had problems with the cam kits, IE valve springs allowing > piston/valve collisions? What am I missing here? None that I've heard of, and many folks are racing these kits. -peterg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. http://www.hispeed.com
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#6. re: Cam Kit questions - from Allen Reyes
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:05:37 -0700 From: "Allen Reyes" <allenrey14@hotmail.com> Subject: re: Cam Kit questions The pleasure quotient of the cam system is best experienced and understood when revving past the 4000rpm mark in any gear on the right road or track. Josh www.eurosporthighperformance.com I couldn't agree more. As an owner of the OBDII kit, I'm extremely pleased with the performance. My car even passed the stringent California sniff test today, minus the CAI visual. Had to pull some strings;) Allen Reyes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
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#7. RE: [E36M3] beep...beep....beep? - from Dames, Mark
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:35:45 -0700 From: "Dames, Mark" <Mark.Dames@PDO.Co.Santa-Clara.CA.US> Subject: RE: [E36M3] beep...beep....beep? That's it!, that's why my car beeps every 7:59, 8:59, 9:59 etc? Here I thought armageddon was approaching. -----Original Message----- From: Miguel Salvador [mailto:masm@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:34 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] beep...beep....beep? Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:26:52 -0400 From: "Miguel Salvador" <masm@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] beep...beep....beep? Jay wrote: >Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT) >From: Jay <jlafoi49@yahoo.com> >Subject: beep...beep....beep? > >>From time to time during driving, I hear three beeps >coming from somewhere under the steering column. The >cause may be the OBC, but I haven't set any limits or >anything of that nature, and nothing shows up on the >OBC when the beeps occur. Weird question, I know, but >any ideas? Thanks! > Three beeps could mean that you have the MEMO tone activated on the Clock/OBC. it should appear in the top right corner of the clock. if a time is NOT set for the tone, it will then beep three times 10 seconds before the top of the hour. to stop it just press the memo button. -- -- ///Miguel Salvador AIM: M3DRVER http://www.miguelsalvador.com ********************* ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Cam Kit Questions - from Mel Silva
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 16:43:07 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Cam Kit Questions I have a question related to the statements below. I am curious about the power curves mentioned. Here is the problem with a "little knowledge", it can get you in a "lot of trouble" if you start trying to over think things. With that in mind, here is the question; Would the Schrick Intake augment this breathing ability at the higher revs or would the benefit be lost because the "real" restriction is in the cylinder head? I can't afford these mods, so the point is really moot, but I was just curious. Mel ---------------------------------------------- statements from -peterg ....You have to ask yourself, "how does it do that". The big change with the euro motor was better breathing. It has individual throttle bodies feeding it, making up for a known deficiency in the motor design (the intake path)... ....You have to look at the power curve to see the difference here. You are talking about higher top-end numbers, but they are all the way at redline. That's what the cams really give you...
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#9. climate control woes SOLVED! - from kitwetzler@mindspring.com
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:06:13 -0400 From: "kitwetzler@mindspring.com" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: climate control woes SOLVED! Yay! I replaced my climate control unit. I was getting issues where the climate control was really flaky... it'd come on sometimes and sometimes not. jiggling the wires would usually get it to come on... for awhile. I took it apart and searched for a broken solder joint, fixed one, and it didn't last long. New one was pretty cheap, less than $250 brand new (although the new unit doesn't include buttons, you gotta pull them off the old unit.) Anyway, the new unit seems to blow colder AC too! weird. However, the new unit is in metric. Doh! I gotta find someone with a modic to change it over to fahrenheit... anyone know someone in the bay area with a modic that will do this for me for cheap? Thanks. -kit -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Cam Kit Questions - from Reid Conti
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:42:12 -0700 From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Cam Kit Questions Here's my even less-educated opinion: US 3.0 M3 intake manifolds flow comparably to the shrick, which is made for both 3.0 and 3.2 engines (either same part for both, or 2 different parts, not sure). The BMW 3.0 manifold will NOT fir the 3.2. The 3.2 intake manifold flows far less than the 3.0 OR the shrick. Adding the shrick to the 3.2 increases power, but I'm not sure by how much. If you get the cams and increase power (and therefore air requirements) on the top end, I can only imagine the shrick manifold would help EVEN MORE than it would without the cams (on 3.2 only of course). - reid > I have a question related to the statements below. I am curious about the > power curves mentioned. Here is the problem with a "little knowledge", it > can get you in a "lot of trouble" if you start trying to over think things. > With that in mind, here is the question; Would the Schrick Intake augment > this breathing ability at the higher revs or would the benefit be lost > because the "real" restriction is in the cylinder head? > > I can't afford these mods, so the point is really moot, but I was just > curious. > > Mel > > ---------------------------------------------- > statements from -peterg > > ...You have to ask yourself, "how does it do that". The big change with the > euro > motor was better breathing. It has individual throttle bodies feeding it, > making up for a known deficiency in the motor design (the intake path)... > > > ...You have to look at the power curve to see the difference here. You are > talking about higher top-end numbers, but they are all the way at redline. > That's what the cams really give you... > > > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >