E36M3 #2368

Thursday, June 13, 2002 13:05:33

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanel Install Question - from Jim Bassett
#2. RE: Koni - from Mo Karamat
#3. Reminder: Properly adjusted mirrors - from Chester Wong
#4. Are posts reappearing? - from Chester Wong
#5. Re: [E36M3] Soft Steering? - from Zack Steinkamp
#6. Old Posts - from Steve Klein
#7. Re: Koni - from Neil Maller
#8. Best place to buy fluids right now? - from Mo Karamat
#9. Re: [E36M3] Reminder: Properly adjusted mirrors - from Andrej Dolenc
#10. Re: [E36M3] Are posts reappearing? - from Jim Bassett
#11. [E36M3] Reminder: Properly adjusted mirrors - from Reid Conti
#12. Re: [E36M3] Reminder: Properly adjusted mirrors - from Jason Jensen

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#1. Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanel Install Question - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:15:22 -0500 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanel Install Question Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:14:51 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanel Install Question At 10:05 AM 6/11/02, Michael Maigret x2196 wrote: >I am planning on purchasing the JTD underpanel. Currently, the center >underpanel on my 98 >M3 is missing, but both of the pork chops are still there. > >Michael Maigret >1998 Titan Silber M3/4 Just a point of information, but as far as I know, the Sedans use a different underpanel from the coupes. The Sedans use the "regular" E36 underpanel, which is shorter - doesn't extend as far back as the coupe ones. At least, this is the case on the Sedans that I've looked at (several new ones on dealers lots, mine and a few others). I have pix at home of the underpanel on my Sedan, and can post them on my web page tonight. (This is not to imply that you CAN'T put a JTD underpanel on a Sedan, just that there are differences between the one's on the coupes and the sedans.) Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1992 325is #44 KP ....both have the same underpanel ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

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#2. RE: Koni - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:29:25 -0400 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: RE: Koni Thanks Neil, I also spoke with TC at TC Kline, and he told me the same basic timeframe.. The only thing is that he told me the cost would be 100 extras for these shocks, and Jay told me between 10 & 20.. Let's see what happens.. thanks Mo -----Original Message----- From: Neil Maller [mailto:neil.maller@gte.net] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:02 AM To: E36M3 Cc: karamatm@optonline.net Subject: Re: Koni on 6/13/02 6:05 AM, Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> wrote: > I spoke with Jay at Ground Controls and he said that he is getting > Externally adjustable Koni's sometime later in the year. Not a slam at Jay, but these new shocks have been "just a few months away" for about 3 years now according to any Koni vendor you care to talk to. This is one of those cases where I'd love to be proved wrong, but don't hold your breath... Neil 96 M3

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#3. Reminder: Properly adjusted mirrors - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:32:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Reminder: Properly adjusted mirrors Just writing someone about how to adjust the mirrors and thought everyone (at least those who don't have their mirrors adjusted correctly) could benefit. Excuse the poor ascii art | | | | | | | | | | Park | | | | car | | | | here | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ---------------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | a | | b If you go to a parking lot where the layout is similar to the above and park your car where I wrote (as if you backed into the spot), you should adjust your mirrors so that point (a) appears on the lower left corner of the driver side mirror and point (b) appears on the lower left corner of the passenger side mirror. Of course, you can adjust from that point, but it's a good starting point. Basically, let's say you're driving down a three lane highway (you're in the middle lane). Let's say a car is approaching you on the left hand lane. As he passes you (I know...a rare occurrence, right? <g>), he should appear to move from the rearview mirror and slide into the side mirror. The same applies for passenger side and being overtaken from the right side. As the passing vehicle continunes forward it should start to disappear from the side mirror. At this point, you'll be able to see the overtaking car out of either side window. This way of adjusting the mirrors covers your blindspots. The euro driver mirror only enhances your field of view, but you should still have it properly adjusted. The way I have my mirrors setup is if a car is next to me and just behind me (so that if I make an emergency lane change, I would be cutting the person off, but I wouldn't hit the person), I can see the whole front of his/her car exactly centered in my mirror. If when I check the side mirror and I only see part of the car and don't see the front, I know that I can't change lanes...I will also be able to see the car out of the side window. It takes a bit of getting used to, but once you're used to it, you'll never go back. If you get used to it while you have the stock driver mirror, installing the euro driver mirror take some more time to acquainted. Thanks to Stephen Lafredo for first pointing out the parking lot technique when I first bought my car. HTH, Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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#4. Are posts reappearing? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Are posts reappearing? I seem to get repeats of old posts from a few days ago. I know I like activity on this list, but this is ridiculous! =) Chester ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Soft Steering? - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:16:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Soft Steering? am i the only person who has received this message three times now? --- Steve Klein <klein@robinsonad.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:45:23 -0500 > From: Steve Klein <klein@robinsonad.com> > Subject: [E36M3] Soft Steering? > > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:35:24 -0500 > From: Steve Klein <klein@robinsonad.com> > Subject: [E36M3] Soft Steering? > > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:34:51 -0500 > From: Steve Klein <klein@robinsonad.com> > Subject: Soft Steering? > > Hello, All- > A question: What could be some probable causes of > 'soft' steering. > The wheel feels light (as in no loss of power > assist) but the ratio of > turning in relation to rotation of the steering > wheel seems slower. > I did the front suspension 8 days ago and I'm going > to lift the > front end again to check my work and all relevant > components in about an > hour. Nothing felt lose in the handling this > morning, just slow(er) to > respond to steering input. And driving home on the > highway in the rain > from the airport yesterday was VERY scary. The car > felt like it was > floating over any water, even thin glazing, and > would deflect like mad > over deeper stuff. I've got Pilots all round, and > the rears have about > 2K on them and the fronts have twice the depth of > Lincoln's head using > the Penny Test. Handling was fine the last time it > rained, so I'm ruling > out the tires and focusing on the work I did (Koni > cut 'n gut, H&R > springs, CA's and bushings). > > > Any thoughts of what to look for before I go in are > greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Steve > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message to the email address > e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message to the email address > e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message to the email address > e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >

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#6. Old Posts - from Steve Klein
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:45:01 -0500 From: Steve Klein <klein@robinsonad.com> Subject: Old Posts Is it just me, or is the list spitting out old messages from time to time?

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#7. Re: Koni - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:48:10 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Koni on 6/13/02 12:29 PM, Mo Karamat at karamatm@optonline.net wrote: >> these new shocks have been "just a few months away" >> for about 3 years now according to any Koni vendor you care to talk to. > I also spoke with TC at TC Kline, and he told me the same basic > timeframe.. The only thing is that he told me the cost would be 100 extras > for these shocks, and Jay told me between 10 & 20.. Let's see what > happens.. Somebody at TC's shop told me about them maybe 3 years ago, and the shock guy at Pro Parts West emailed me the same info last year. My theory is that if you just keep on saying something and it eventually happens, then you end up looking like a genius! Neil 96 M3

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#8. Best place to buy fluids right now? - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:47:53 -0400 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: Best place to buy fluids right now? Eric, I use Eurasian Auto for such things.. His prices are great.. Call Dave at 800-824-8814. Mo PS.. I have no affiliation to him, etc.. etc.. -------------------- 5 ------------------- - Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:49:49 -0500 From: "Eric ///M Foster" <e36m3digest@jedinite.com> Subject: Best place to buy fluids right now? Time to restock fluids for Track Season. Interested in picking up the following, at the least possible impact to the track-time-budget: Water Wetter Redline ATF Decent brake fluid (SuperBlue or better) Decent synthetic oil (Mobil-1 or better) Anyone have any suggestions for locations currently running decent specials on any/all of the above? Thanks, Eric Foster http://bmw.jedinite.com

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Reminder: Properly adjusted mirrors - from Andrej Dolenc
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:56:18 -0500 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Reminder: Properly adjusted mirrors Another way of adjusting the mirrors to achieve that setting is as follows: Press your head against the drivers side window, then adjust the mirror so you can just barely see the rear corner of your car. When you return to normal driving position, the view our your side mirror will be pretty far out there. Similar for the passenger side mirror, lean over as far as you can to the right, adjust the mirror so you can barely see the rear corner of your car. One note though, this doesn't really eliminate a blindspot, it moves it over. It does eliminate the blindspot in the lane next to you, just behind your car. But it does shift the blind spot to 2 lanes over. So if you're merging left, you still do need to turn your head & check to make sure nobody is attempting to merge into that spot from 2 lanes over. Still though, makes a world of difference after you get used to it. Andrej '97 M3 > Just writing someone about how to adjust the mirrors and thought everyone (at > least those who don't have their mirrors adjusted correctly) could benefit. > Excuse the poor ascii art > | | | | > | | | | > | | Park | | > | | car | | > | | here | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > ---------------------------------- > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > a | | b > If you go to a parking lot where the layout is similar to the above and park > your car where I wrote (as if you backed into the spot), you should adjust your > mirrors so that point (a) appears on the lower left corner of the driver side > mirror and point (b) appears on the lower left corner of the passenger side > mirror. Of course, you can adjust from that point, but it's a good starting > point. > Basically, let's say you're driving down a three lane highway (you're in the > middle lane). Let's say a car is approaching you on the left hand lane. As he > passes you (I know...a rare occurrence, right? <g>), he should appear to move > from the rearview mirror and slide into the side mirror. The same applies for > passenger side and being overtaken from the right side. > As the passing vehicle continunes forward it should start to disappear from the > side mirror. At this point, you'll be able to see the overtaking car out of > either side window. This way of adjusting the mirrors covers your blindspots. > The euro driver mirror only enhances your field of view, but you should still > have it properly adjusted. > The way I have my mirrors setup is if a car is next to me and just behind me > (so that if I make an emergency lane change, I would be cutting the person off, > but I wouldn't hit the person), I can see the whole front of his/her car > exactly centered in my mirror. If when I check the side mirror and I only see > part of the car and don't see the front, I know that I can't change lanes...I > will also be able to see the car out of the side window. > It takes a bit of getting used to, but once you're used to it, you'll never go > back. If you get used to it while you have the stock driver mirror, installing > the euro driver mirror take some more time to acquainted. > Thanks to Stephen Lafredo for first pointing out the parking lot technique when > I first bought my car. > HTH, > Chester

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Are posts reappearing? - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:59:59 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Are posts reappearing? At 10:45 AM 6/13/02, Chester Wong wrote: >Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT) >From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> >Subject: Are posts reappearing? Seem to be, yes. Jim ....nothing else of use to say <g>

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#11. [E36M3] Reminder: Properly adjusted mirrors - from Reid Conti
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:03:19 -0700 From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: [E36M3] Reminder: Properly adjusted mirrors I'd like to echo chester's advice (and praise him for his ascii art, it's actually a perfect way to draw this setup!) Another way I've heard this described is, you should have your driver's side mirror adjusted so that you can't see the side of your car in the mirror until your head is almost touching the driver's side window. Similar for passenger side, except you should lean the same distance, not until your head almost touches the passenger side window :) I like the comment about seeing the car in the side mirror and an emergency maneuver would have you cutting them off, but not hitting them.. I should check my exact aim for that. I have become far more confident in the view around my car since I set my mirrors up like this. If I glance at my side mirror while driving, the car appears in my peripheral vision just as it's exiting my side mirrors. And there is no blind spot between center rear view mirror and side mirrors. I still look over my shoulder before lane changes -- you can never be too safe, and who knows when a car is making a lane change towards you at the same time, but your awareness will be much higher. I think this is a simple procedure that will make many people much more comfortable out there.. M3 mirrors really don't seem small when they're adjusted properly.. - reid > > Just writing someone about how to adjust the mirrors and thought everyone (at > least those who don't have their mirrors adjusted correctly) could benefit. [beautiful ascii art snipped] > > If you go to a parking lot where the layout is similar to the above and park > your car where I wrote (as if you backed into the spot), you should adjust > your > mirrors so that point (a) appears on the lower left corner of the driver side > mirror and point (b) appears on the lower left corner of the passenger side > mirror. Of course, you can adjust from that point, but it's a good starting > point. > > Basically, let's say you're driving down a three lane highway (you're in the > middle lane). Let's say a car is approaching you on the left hand lane. As > he > passes you (I know...a rare occurrence, right? <g>), he should appear to move > from the rearview mirror and slide into the side mirror. The same applies for > passenger side and being overtaken from the right side. > > As the passing vehicle continunes forward it should start to disappear from > the > side mirror. At this point, you'll be able to see the overtaking car out of > either side window. This way of adjusting the mirrors covers your blindspots. > The euro driver mirror only enhances your field of view, but you should still > have it properly adjusted. > > The way I have my mirrors setup is if a car is next to me and just behind me > (so that if I make an emergency lane change, I would be cutting the person > off, > but I wouldn't hit the person), I can see the whole front of his/her car > exactly centered in my mirror. If when I check the side mirror and I only see > part of the car and don't see the front, I know that I can't change lanes...I > will also be able to see the car out of the side window. > > It takes a bit of getting used to, but once you're used to it, you'll never go > back. If you get used to it while you have the stock driver mirror, > installing > the euro driver mirror take some more time to acquainted. > > Thanks to Stephen Lafredo for first pointing out the parking lot technique > when > I first bought my car. > ------ End of Forwarded Message

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#12. Re: [E36M3] Reminder: Properly adjusted mirrors - from Jason Jensen
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:03:40 -0400 From: "Jason Jensen" <jasonjensen75@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Reminder: Properly adjusted mirrors I used to think my M3 had horrible blind spots compared to my old car. I then adjusted the mirrors using a different method, but I believe nets the same result. I absolutely love my mirrors now. The way I was told (I think I got this off of bf.com from someone that went through the performance center) With your head against the window adjust your left mirror out to the point where you barely lose sight of the side of your car. Do the same for your passenger side except place your head over the center console. I do like the idea of 'car centered in mirror' = room for emergency lane change. Never thought of that, but makes tons of sense. J >From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> >To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Subject: [E36M3] Reminder: Properly adjusted mirrors >Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:35:20 -0500 > >Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:32:14 -0700 (PDT) >From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> >Subject: Reminder: Properly adjusted mirrors > >Just writing someone about how to adjust the mirrors and thought everyone >(at >least those who don't have their mirrors adjusted correctly) could benefit. > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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