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#1. Re: Brake ducting options - from Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:42:19 -0400 From: <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Re: Brake ducting options I have the JTD underpanel with brake cooling ducts, and it meets all of your criteria, except that you do not need to remove the hose for street use, and it does not use any backing plates. Regards, Stan Shaw Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net http://www.excell.net/ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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#2. Re: Brake ducting options - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:56:56 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Brake ducting options on 6/19/02 3:37 PM, Steve Grigory <sgrigory@pacbell.net> wrote: > I ducted my front brakes last year and posted a write-up on Suzy's web site > if you'd like to check it out. > > http://www.bmw-m.net/TechProc/brake_duct.htm > > steve Steve, Very nice write-up. For those that haven't seen them, the advantage of the Bimmerworld backing plates over the TMS pictured by Steve is that they don't require the bearings to be pulled. You just cut and unbolt the stock plates and slide in the new ones. Very slick. Rich D said it nicely: > I can think of many things that seem overpriced until you start figuring out > what it costs to produce, limited market demand, labor costs, tool & equipment > costs, etc. Sure, there are all kinds of homebrew solutions possible. It comes down to your skills, resources and inclination. And how many hours you want to spend on a project. I know I can't make backing plates, so I bought the Bimmerworld kit. Well worth it for me. On the other hand I just spent a ridiculous amount of time trying to figure out how to mount my new 6 point harnesses in the very best way. No way I wanted to have someone else do it. So, you pays your money and you makes your choice! Neil 96 M3
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#3. lightweight battery - from Gary A. Preece
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:04:45 -0400 From: "Gary A. Preece" <gapreece@entreky.net> Subject: lightweight battery Just FYI...no connection etc. Dyna-batt has their batteries 15% off through the internet. I put one in my 95 M3 and it fit perfectly under the cover. My stock battery weighed 46 lbs. and my new one weighed 14.5 lbs. according to my bathroom scale. Now if I could lose 31.5 lbs. around the waist, as well, my car would be faster! Gary Preece
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Brake ducting options - from Peter Fanning
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:32:47 -0700 From: Peter Fanning <p.fanning@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Brake ducting options Gerry, I currently get about fifteen track days out a set of treated floating rotors. These are not mellow, cruise around the track days either :-). The only reason I have to replace them now is due to the radial cracking. I think this is caused by excessive heat. If I can get rid of the cracking the rotors will last a LONG time, there's almost no other wear. I think you'll be fine on any course with a high quality track pad. I run a variety of tracks and the PF90's are excellent everywhere. If you're shopping track-only pads I'd recommend the PF97's (PF90 replacement) and I've heard very good things about the Hawk HT-10's. Peter At 09:10 AM 6/19/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Regarding the ducting, has anyone captured rotor, caliper and hub >temperature variances on different (high speed vs. tight and technical) >tracks with a good set-up like Peter's? Standard ducting or enhanced. >Also, what brake temperature ranges might one expect on different tracks. >My thought is that I should be matching my pads' temperature range to >coincide with different track requirements. > >Peter, how many track days have you done with the cryo treated floating >rotors? >Gerry > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Fanning" <p.fanning@verizon.net> >To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:17 PM >Subject: [E36M3] Brake ducting options > > > > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:20:18 -0700 > > From: Peter Fanning <p.fanning@verizon.net> > > Subject: Brake ducting options > > > > I'm looking for input regarding brake ducting options for use on a '98 > > M3/4. I would like to retain the road lights, be able to remove the hose > > for street use and not have to replace the wheel bearings to install the > > backing plates. > > > > I'm replacing rotors due to some very small radial cracking, no other wear > > issues. I already use track pads (PF90's), high temp fluid (Motul), cryo > > the front rotors (two piece) and have good braking technique. This has > > solved all the fade, warp, boil, etc. concerns. I'm hoping the ducting > > will solve the radial cracking. > > > > Thanks for any suggestions, > > > > Peter Fanning > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > List Commands > > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > > > To issue a command/request to the server: > > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > > ************************************************************* > > > >
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#5. Re: Brake ducting options - from Peter Fanning
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:41:56 -0700 From: Peter Fanning <p.fanning@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Brake ducting options I'm using the BMW two piece floating rotors, no cheese grating modifications. I absolutely belive in cryo treating rotors, personal experience as well as other local track junkie input has me convinced of it's value. I don't know if the ducting will prevent the radial cracks either, sure hope so. Peter At 03:35 PM 6/19/2002 -0400, Dorffer, Rich wrote: >Peter asks > > > I'm replacing rotors due to some very small radial cracking, no other wear > > issues. I already use track pads (PF90's), high temp fluid (Motul), cryo > > the front rotors (two piece) and have good braking technique. This has > > solved all the fade, warp, boil, etc. concerns. I'm hoping the ducting > > will solve the radial cracking. > > >I agree with the Bimmer World recommendations but I haven't done it myself >either. I am more curious what rotors you are using. Since you mentioned >radial cracks, I assume you are using a cross drilled rotor such as the >Brembos. If this is the case, aren't the radial cracks a sign of wear >combined with the stress from the drilling of the rotors. Are these true >floating rotors or simply two piece (aluminum hat attached to the rotor)? > >Would keeping the rotors cooler do anything to help prevent these cracks? >I am not so sure. > >I am not convinced of cryo treating either so I am not sure if has any >bearing on anything (other than spending more money). > >Later, > >Rich
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#6. Re: [E36M3] lightweight battery - from peter@guagenti.com
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:01:36 US/Pacific From: peter@guagenti.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] lightweight battery > Just FYI...no connection etc. Dyna-batt has their batteries 15% off through > the internet. I put one in my 95 M3 and it fit perfectly under the cover. > My stock battery weighed 46 lbs. and my new one weighed 14.5 lbs. according > to my bathroom scale. Now if I could lose 31.5 lbs. around the waist, as > well, my car would be faster! How does this battery rate against the stock battery? Any real downsides for a car without a ton of electric options? -peterg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. http://www.hispeed.com
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: Brake ducting options - from Jeremy Lucas
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:44:12 -0400 From: "Jeremy Lucas" <jlucas@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Brake ducting options http://www.turnermotorsport.com/catalog/catalog.htm click under brakes Turner's have been redesigned to be bolt-on. Jeremy Lucas 95 M3 - Turner pressed on backing plates with Bimmerworld inner fender flanges (for easy removal after track days) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Maller" <neil.maller@gte.net> > Then your best and only off the shelf option is from Bimmerworld > (www.bimmerworld.com) who makes the only brake backing plates I know of that > don't require pulling the wheel hub.
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Brake ducting options - from Andy Radin
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:50:08 -0700 From: Andy Radin <fourfa@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Brake ducting options >> Hmmm....I have a question: Instead of spending $250 for backing >> plates, why >> can't you just use the stock backing plate, cut a hole in it and >> tack weld a >> steel tube to the hole? >That just doesn't cut it in arduous conditions. Then you're just cooling >the inside face of the disc, which will lead to more stress and worse >cracking. huh? Tack weld a tube to the backing plate, exactly as Bimmerworld has seam-welded a tube to theirs, and clamp a hose (from a brake duct) to it. If you locate it in the same spot, it will shoot air into the hub vents. there's no magic to the BW pieces. compare: stock http://www.bimmerworld.com/images/e36bp1.JPG bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com/images/e36bp2.JPG I also agree that $245 is outrageous for what could be a simple $80 part. That'll inspire me to try a few DIY options for basically free. Powdercoat, stainless steel, who cares. Same deal as $300 micropolished shifters I guess. andy r. 98 m3/2
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#9. Re: [E36M3] lightweight battery - from Jeremy Lucas
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:53:53 -0400 From: "Jeremy Lucas" <jlucas@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] lightweight battery http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_ Code=RE&Category_Code=BATT see this link for more information on dyna-batt Jeremy Lucas 95 M3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary A. Preece" <gapreece@entreky.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 6:07 PM Subject: [E36M3] lightweight battery > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:04:45 -0400 > From: "Gary A. Preece" <gapreece@entreky.net> > Subject: lightweight battery > > Just FYI...no connection etc. Dyna-batt has their batteries 15% off through > the internet. I put one in my 95 M3 and it fit perfectly under the cover. > My stock battery weighed 46 lbs. and my new one weighed 14.5 lbs. according > to my bathroom scale. Now if I could lose 31.5 lbs. around the waist, as > well, my car would be faster! > > Gary Preece > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > >
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#10. Bimmerworld ducts on a daily driver? - from Rob
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:54:23 -0600 From: "Rob" <motor@cadvision.com> Subject: Bimmerworld ducts on a daily driver? Does anyone run the Bimmerworld M3 duct kit on a street car? Is hose removal required to drive on the street and get anything near full steering lock? Can someone please explain to me what the "flanges" are? It looks like they might help attach the hose to the existing brake duct but I can't tell. I have the BMP cooling ducts that go in place of the OEM driving lights (yeah right!) so I assume I could connect the Bimmerworld hose to them? Thanks, Rob - spinnin' my S50B32 to 7600rpm :)