E36M3 #2394

Saturday, June 22, 2002 22:48:25

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: Caliper dust boot unseated; rebuild? - from Neil Maller
#2. Re: [E36M3] Anyone know the history/owner of this car? - from Joe Dyer
#3. Re: [E36M3] hitting the rev limiter - from Jeff A
#4. Problem solved ----Caliper dust boot unseated; rebuild? - from Don Chaney
#5. [E36M3] re: Hitting rev limiter - from RogRacer@aol.com
#6. RE: [E36M3] turbos, etc. - from Wayne Miller
#7. Do any camber plates change ride height? - from Chris Teague
#8. Touchy Brake Light - from Robert Exconde
#9. Re: [E36M3] The Road Dyno? - from Chris Teague
#10. Re: [E36M3] The Road Dyno? - from Paul Elliott

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#1. Re: Caliper dust boot unseated; rebuild? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 15:12:13 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Caliper dust boot unseated; rebuild? on 6/22/02 2:37 PM, "Don Chaney" <chaneydon@hotmail.com> wrote: > I was changing my rotors and pads from pf97 back to street today and I > noticed one of my front caliper dust boots is partially unseated. The boot > does not appear damaged at all and there is no fluid leakage. The calipers > were rebuilt by a mechanic last year (~9 track days ago). I want to get > back on the road asap, would appreciate any help w/ the following: > > 1. Is a rebuild kit necessary even if the boot is ok? There are two main reasons for the boot coming unseated: improper assembly, and heat/age related embrittlement. You can't get the boot back in without removing the piston. At that point you may as well replace both the boot and the piston seal, since they're only sold together as a kit. > 2. I dont have air, bicycle pump work? According to somebody's recent post, yes. > 3. What size wrench to remove caliper hose? If I remember correctly it's 14mm. Be sure to apply penetrating oil in advance. > 4. How to prevent fluid from coming out the open hose? Good luck! But you can: - Put Saran wrap under the brake fluid reservoir cap so that the system is trying to pull a vacuum. - Cut a finger off a rubber glove and fasten it around the hose end with a rubber band. > 5. Any other parts/tools needed? 6" C-clamp/pad retractor; brake fluid; bleeding setup; 16mm (or 5/8" according to some people) socket for the brake caliper bracket; long breaker bar for preceding item; allen key (5mm? 6mm? I forget) for caliper guide pins; lots and lots of paper towel to mop up the mess... > Sorry for the basic questions, thanks in advance. > > Don

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Anyone know the history/owner of this car? - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 15:21:14 -0700 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Anyone know the history/owner of this car? Wow! I bet his reserve is about $40K! Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Guagenti" <peter@guagenti.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: [E36M3] Anyone know the history/owner of this car? | Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 09:56:23 -0700 | From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> | Subject: Anyone know the history/owner of this car? | | http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1838473390 | | | | | ************************************************************* | List Commands | UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. | DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. | GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). | | To issue a command/request to the server: | Send a message with the command you wish executed as the | subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. | ************************************************************* | | |

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#3. Re: [E36M3] hitting the rev limiter - from Jeff A
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 17:43:30 -0500 From: "Jeff A" <aabel@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] hitting the rev limiter Hmmm. Lots of purported causes for the 'nut falling off syndrome.' They include: 1. tagging the rev limited often and causing a whiplash effect in the drivetrain. 2. a spin w/o both feet in, which drives the rear wheels backwards. 3. Accidents involving large jarring inputs to the drivetrain. 4. Accidents causing damage to the subframe. 5. Worn chain tensioner coupled alone, or coupled with any of the other proffered causes in this list. 6. Generalized track use. 7. Forget what else. The two oil pump failures that I know of personally both involve cars that had been in accidents, nailing a curb hard enough to cause massive front suspension damage including severe damage to the front subframe. Based on this limited anecdotal evidence, and knowing of quite a few track cars go many, many miles w/o incident, my money is on such types of impacts. Call it a design flaw if you will. . . .but if I were BMW NA and if I were in-house counsel for it, I'd say that accidents involving massive front end damage are not w/i the normal and expected operation parameters of an M3. Jeff, venting just a tad. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: [E36M3] hitting the rev limiter > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 14:19:31 -0400 > From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> > Subject: hitting the rev limiter > > My memory is definitely not great, but I seem to recall reading some threads > about guys having trouble with an oil pump bolt falling off, resulting in > catastrophic loss of oil pressure. I thought I read where hitting the rev > limiter could contribute to such an occurence, although by far the largest > cause of the bolt spinning off was 360 degree spins without both feet in. > > Today, I hit the rev limiter pretty hard, which in my car seems to occur > around 7200 rpms. I hardly ever do this, but I was just a bit absent > minded, and it gets up there soooo quickly :--) > > Are there any damaging effects of doing this? once in a while? frequently? > > If so, what are they? > > thanks. > > Paul Elliott > --------------------------------------------------------- > '99 White M3; < 45K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: > 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Fikse FM-10s; X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; > Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio > > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >

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#4. Problem solved ----Caliper dust boot unseated; rebuild? - from Don Chaney
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:48:35 -0500 From: "Don Chaney" <chaneydon@hotmail.com> Subject: Problem solved ----Caliper dust boot unseated; rebuild? I decided that I had to replace the boot, any brake problem is not worth ignoring. I checked the archives, picked up a rebuild kit from my local dealer, got some great instructions from Neil Maller and everything is back together. All in all not a bad job, just messy and time consuming. Don

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#5. [E36M3] re: Hitting rev limiter - from RogRacer@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:48:00 EDT From: RogRacer@aol.com Subject: [E36M3] re: Hitting rev limiter Paul, Yes, I've heard the same theory, but I'm not really sure I buy it. Making the engine spin backwards (from a spin), OTOH, has been reported by many to cause the nut to spin off. I think I even recall a warning about turning the engine over by hand in the wrong direction was a big no-no for this reason. I wouldn't worry about occassionally hitting the limiter, though. Roger In a message dated 6/22/02 3:42:14 PM, e36m3@bmw-m.net writes: << -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 14:19:31 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: hitting the rev limiter My memory is definitely not great, but I seem to recall reading some threads about guys having trouble with an oil pump bolt falling off, resulting in catastrophic loss of oil pressure. I thought I read where hitting the rev limiter could contribute to such an occurence, although by far the largest cause of the bolt spinning off was 360 degree spins without both feet in. Today, I hit the rev limiter pretty hard, which in my car seems to occur around 7200 rpms. I hardly ever do this, but I was just a bit absent minded, and it gets up there soooo quickly :--) Are there any damaging effects of doing this? once in a while? frequently? If so, what are they? thanks. >>

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#6. RE: [E36M3] turbos, etc. - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:36:41 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] turbos, etc. > Well, at least you can positively STOMP all over him below 3600rpm. That was funny. Actually, according to the guy there, I could beat him in a stoplight to stoplight grand prix because he can't put the power to the ground without spinning his tires wildly but once it gets moving, it's like a missile. -Wayne

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#7. Do any camber plates change ride height? - from Chris Teague
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 19:29:51 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Do any camber plates change ride height? I was thing about adding camber plates to my 97 to make it easier to adjust. Currently I have the 95 hats with shims in the lower bolts. Do the TC Kline plates change the ride height any? I wouldn't mind getting a plate that lowered the car slightly more. My H&R sports only lowered the front 1" (1" in rear also). Any rumors of a Ground-Control camber plate for the stock spring hats? Chris 97 M3/4

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#8. Touchy Brake Light - from Robert Exconde
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 22:37:10 -0500 From: "Robert Exconde" <99e36m3@exconde.com> Subject: Touchy Brake Light The brake light on my M is way too touchy and sometimes has a tendancy to stay on while driving. I doubt that the brakes are actually being applied but the light is on. Does anyone know how to fix this? is this something that is easy? RE 99M3

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#9. Re: [E36M3] The Road Dyno? - from Chris Teague
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:41:11 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] The Road Dyno? Paul, I have never seen that set of parts, but I have a g-cube, which is great for monitoring cornering and braking force and total usage. It has an option for calculating HP. For me, it shows about stock HP. Since my engine is stock, I would say it works! It's primary purpose is not HP though, and it does depend on you entering some data correctly, like weight. Same as for the URL you show. Not sure how the road dyno would hook to an M3, since it could be tricky to get the coil input it requires. The g-cube is standalone, and only needs to ride along in the car. I think the G-Tech pro is like that also. More on G-cube at: www.extremegeez.com Chris 97 M3/4 ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:29:43 -0400 > From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> > Subject: The Road Dyno? > > Has anybody ever heard of this contraption? > > http://www.charm.net/~mchaney/roaddyno/index.html > > Paul Elliott

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#10. Re: [E36M3] The Road Dyno? - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:50:20 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] The Road Dyno? >>I think the G-Tech pro is like that also.<< I think the difference is, as the site says, that tools like the Gtech are estimating HP from 0-60 times, but this Road Dyno claims to actually be measuring power. Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 45K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Fikse FM-10s; X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> To: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net>; "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] The Road Dyno? > Paul, > > I have never seen that set of parts, but I have > a g-cube, which is great for monitoring cornering > and braking force and total usage. It has an option for calculating > HP. For me, it shows about stock HP. Since > my engine is stock, I would say it works! It's primary > purpose is not HP though, and it does depend on you > entering some data correctly, like weight. Same as for > the URL you show. Not sure how the road dyno > would hook to an M3, since it could be tricky to get > the coil input it requires. The g-cube is standalone, and only > needs to ride along in the car. I think the G-Tech pro is like > that also. > > More on G-cube at: > > www.extremegeez.com > > Chris > 97 M3/4 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:29:43 -0400 > > From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> > > Subject: The Road Dyno? > > > > Has anybody ever heard of this contraption? > > > > http://www.charm.net/~mchaney/roaddyno/index.html > > > > Paul Elliott > > > >

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