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#1. Re: [E36M3] Turbos (was aw geez.) - from Jeff A
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:29:52 -0500 From: "Jeff A" <aabel@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Turbos (was aw geez.) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> > >However, for every unhappy Mechtech customer, there seem to be > > several ecstatic AA customers. I think there's no question that AA has > > really done their homework, and easily provides the best solution of the > > type > > Not to argue, as you own a induction car, but there is no-one that makes a > well designed kit for the M3, AA included. Dinan is probably the best > supercharged kit out there, but leaves alot to be desired. My test for a > kit would be the ability to survive several track days a year. Nobody > makes one yet. I have yet to attend a school where a > Supercharged/turbocharged car made it all weekend. It is always something. > Having known several M3 owners who have had everything out there, in their > own words, they would NEVER do it again. That tells ya alot about the kits. > All would have went Euro motors or cams/intake etc on the US motor, in fact > most did after selling the supercharger, turbo kits etc. > > Would love a simple, well designed, reliable kit that didnt require more > engineering on my end to make it work great. Still waiting to see what > Downing Atlanta comes up with on their kit for the E-36. Some folk have > said the kits for the 4 cylinder left alot to be desired, but on the other > hand, Several folks that install, service Dinan cars loved the Downing cars > due to the virtually non existent problems or returns vs the Dinan cars > which typically have little problems all the time, > > Mike Mike, well said. As a burgeoning track rat, I have no interest in forced induction that cannot go the distance. Repeated track weekends including 120 degree track temps at WOT for 30 min. sessions w/o meltdowns. So, I've attacked suspension first, then tires, and will do cams. For an occasional track day, I think a centrifugal blower with water injection will be fine, but not for heavy duty use. At least not the use that I contemplate. I've seen too many aftermarket FI cars melt down on the track, and even factory FI. I cannot tolerate having my weekend ruined by such things. From heat soak, to head gaskets, to valve float. No thanks. There's enough crap to worry about with brakes, tires, and Just About Everything Else. FI has its place. But a weekend warrior's track rat is not it IMHO. Jeff
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Turbos (was aw geez.) - from Michael
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:44:45 -0400 From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Turbos (was aw geez.) Good example. Money can do wonders. Enough of it and we can even make a AA kit work, lol. I was told what was spent on that car, but cant remember the numbers, but it was WAY up there. Plus, see where it says, SPECIAL HEAD GASKET? Think they went thru many before figuring out how to keep it together. Not 100% positive, but pretty sure that car went thru alot of test and tune before being ready to race. Plus, I get the impression they are on the 2nd motor? hmmm, WHY? Why did the Top clubracing folks that used to run supercharger kits etc go to NA motors aswell? durability and usable HP. Also, if turbocharging was a viable option, they would do it instead of spending 30-40k on built euro motors, or atleast I would think they would. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh" <M3@MotorSportPower.com> > So what about this car? > > http://www.aatuning.com/cars/One%20Lap%20318%20Tii/default.asp
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Turbos (was aw geez.) - from Jeff A
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:59:12 -0500 From: "Jeff A" <aabel@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Turbos (was aw geez.) >snip< > Why did the Top clubracing folks that used to run supercharger kits etc go > to NA motors aswell? durability and usable HP. Also, if turbocharging was > a viable option, they would do it instead of spending 30-40k on built euro > motors, or atleast I would think they would. > > Mike I have no idea about the use of turbos in club racing circles. But, I've talked with two fast B Mod guys. They both pitched their blowers for built euro or us motors. Both reported that they are faster with them, even if the dyno reported more hp with the hairdryers. Jeff
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Turbos (was aw geez.) - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Turbos (was aw geez.) Hmm....I've driven the AA '95M3 Red project car. What Mike says is correct...money can do wonders. Apparently for this car, they used forged pistons/rods, lowered the compression ratio, head gasket, etc. Of course this would be more durable since it's built for it. However, most people who want turbo kits want to simply bolt it up and that will simply not do unless you limit the boost. I think it was Kit who said that the AA turbo is old as well. I agree. The power in that car was so peaky that it felt real sluggish below 3k. Once you got there, it was unbelieveable. Is the car fun? Sure...it was a blast. Would I want that on the track? Hell no! Could you imagine that boost coming on in the middle of a turn? I can see why people go to the cam/intake route or go with a euro motor. After having driven Wayne's car down the Philly, all I can say is that it's not as much fun driving my car anymore =( Would I do the cams? Possibly...but not for the amount of money that it costs. If you run the numbers....$3k for the cams, $1k for the dual pickup oil pan, etc...you're better off getting a euro 3.2 evo :) And when I do...I think Wayne will be jealous ;) Best regards, Chester --- Michael <95m3ltw@charter.net> wrote: > Good example. Money can do wonders. Enough of it and we can even make a > AA kit work, lol. I was told what was spent on that car, but cant remember > the numbers, but it was WAY up there. Plus, see where it says, SPECIAL > HEAD GASKET? Think they went thru many before figuring out how to keep it > together. Not 100% positive, but pretty sure that car went thru alot of > test and tune before being ready to race. > > Plus, I get the impression they are on the 2nd motor? hmmm, WHY? ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com
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#5. Re: Harbor Freight Aluminum Racing Jack?? - from Dave Lehmann
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:25:41 -0400 From: "Dave Lehmann" <bmwracefan@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Harbor Freight Aluminum Racing Jack?? I saw the origional post and ordered one. Very nice for the price. Sure beats my 80 lb garagejack and the cheapo jack-in-the-box from K-mart that was my track jack. Dave >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:22:19 +0000 >From: daveheckendorf@attbi.com >Subject: Harbor Freight Aluminum Racing Jack?? > >Didn't someone order one of these and was going to get back to the rest of >us with an opinion?? Well....? > >http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf? >itemnumber=47246 > >I'm notconsidering one for regular use in the Garage; but, if it's of >decent quality, it would probably be a great jack for the Track... > >Thx!, >Dave _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
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#6. Front Bumper? - from Rob Verenna
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:33:28 -0400 From: Rob Verenna <rob@willraceforbeer.com> Subject: Front Bumper? Anyone know of a source for a *cheap* M3 front bumper? It can be used, too, should anyone be parting out a car. I'm building a 325i for the track and want to switch over to the M3 bumper but the best price is $200 from Bimmerworld. I'm spending enough on the other, more critical parts of the car that I'd like to find it for at most half that. :) - rob '95 M3 '94 325i (almost ready for racing)
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#7. rear clunk mystery solved... - from Chris Papademetrious
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:11:37 -0400 From: Chris Papademetrious <chrispy@ieee.org> Subject: rear clunk mystery solved... Last night on my way home, after a spirited romp on some back roads, I noticed a clunking from the rear of the car as I pulled into my driveway. It sounded like a failed RSM, but I have the Ground Control RSM replacements. When I realized I had a couple of loose items in the trunk that could have made clunking noises over bumps, I figured it was just that and forgot about it. I emptied the trunk and headed upstairs. This morning when I pulled the car out of the garage, I noticed the clunk was still there. A short test drive with the seats folded down confirmed that the noise was coming from the rear passenger side suspension column. Hmm, so something is busted after all. I jacked the car up and pulled the rear passenger shock out, and took apart the GC mount. Everything looked good, and the shock didn't have any play when I attempted to move it quickly up and down by hand. I lowered the car back down with no shock, and the car bounced fine with no noises at all. On a whim, I decided to pull the driver's side shock, so I could compare the two. Interestingly, the driver side shock was noticeably stiffer than the passenger side. I swapped shocks and dropped the car back on the wheels. Voila! The clunk was now on the driver side! It looks like I managed to break a Bilstein that I installed in April 2000. Luckily, Bilsteins have a free-replacement lifetime warranty: http://www.bilstein.com/warranty.html I'll be giving them a call tomorrow. I'll let everyone know how I make out. - Chris
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Turbos (was aw geez.) - from kit wetzler
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:22:16 -0700 From: "kit wetzler" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Turbos (was aw geez.) Little problems? Like what? The Dinan supercharger kit that I installed on my car was the best fitting piece of aftermarket equipment I have ever installed on a car. Everything fit, everything was there and I was really impressed. I've had zero problems with it and the car is very fast, although not as fast as a turbo car. I wouldn't track a supercharged car every weekend in 110 degree weather, but I suspect that, especially with an Aquamist setup, it wouldn't be too bad. I suspect with an RMS intercooler it'd be perfectly fine. -kit
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#9. list stickers - from Sue Kraft
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:15:29 -0500 From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: list stickers I'm happy to report that most of the list stickers have now been sold. Thanks to everyone who participated! I did order about 40 extra, as I didn't want to run short, so those are the only ones left right now. For anyone who is new to the list and may be interested, the details plus a picture are posted here http://www.bmw-m.net/decal.htm Sue
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Turbos (was aw geez.) - from Matt Henson
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:28:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Turbos (was aw geez.) --- Michael <95m3ltw@charter.net> wrote: My test for a > kit would be the ability to survive several track > days a year. Nobody > makes one yet. I have yet to attend a school where > a > Supercharged/turbocharged car made it all weekend. > It is always something. > Having known several M3 owners who have had > everything out there, in their > own words, they would NEVER do it again. That tells > ya alot about the kits. > All would have went Euro motors or cams/intake etc > on the US motor, in fact > most did after selling the supercharger, turbo kits > etc. For the record, we took our turbo M3 to a track day at TWS last year. It was 110+ for both days. My wife and I each drove in separate run groups, and the instructer ran it about 50% of the time in a 3rd. Each group was about 20 mins long, 4 sessions a day. There were only 4 groups total so the car got quite a workout. I did have a small electrical problem due to an improperly secured wire (my fault) but there were no mechanical or overheating problems at all. This was our first DE, but we had been AutoXing for a couple years so we knew where the gas pedal was. This was not a built engine. I did run a 50% mix of 100 octane race gas and wasn't running AA's software (which was crap at the time, maybe it's better now). If I'd known then what I know now, I probably wouldn't have attempted this, but it does show that the M3's engine can hold together under FI, at least under DE conditions. Proper software makes all the difference. I doubt that it could take a full race without lowering the C/R and using head studs, as a minimum. -Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com