E36M3 #2463

Monday, July 22, 2002 22:13:50

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#1. Re: [E36M3] OT - SS kits and creaky CP - from Chris Teague
#2. Wanted: Track Car in Germany - from Juan Bruce
#3. Re: [E36M3] Suspension Install Completed - Thanks! - from Rich Beebe
#4. Re: [E36M3] Suspension Install Completed - Thanks! - from Scott Yu
#5. Re: [E36M3] H&R coilovers... too low. - from Jeff A
#6. Re: [E36M3] M3 Center Arm Rest q's - from Jay W. Hudson
#7. Re: [E36M3] Suspension Install Completed - Thanks! - from Rich Beebe
#8. OT: Garage Floor Finishing Options? - from Peter Guagenti
#9. SC Belt Access? - from Paul Elliott
#10. Re: Piston Ring - from Neil Maller

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#1. Re: [E36M3] OT - SS kits and creaky CP - from Chris Teague
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:11:51 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] OT - SS kits and creaky CP ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:58:28 -0700 > From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> > Subject: OT - SS kits and creaky CP > > Are there any other > fixes out there aside from RS's reworked pedal for the chronic creaky pedal? The UUC clutch bushings worked great for me. Squeak is completely gone. > Does the addition of a clutch stop alleviate the symptoms at all? No. But it helps keep the pedal from sliding off the stock stop, so I got the UUC stop also. Chris 97 M3/4

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#2. Wanted: Track Car in Germany - from Juan Bruce
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:20:39 -0700 From: "Juan Bruce" <jbrucebmw@hotmail.com> Subject: Wanted: Track Car in Germany My driving partner for the Nurburgring school has decided that he wants to buy an E30 M3 to keep at his office in Brussels and use for occasional trips to the Ring. He will also consider other interesting BMWs such as E36 M3s, E34 M5s, Alpina's, Hartge's etc. Ideally the cars would be priced under $15k and track/race preparation would be a bonus. I've already perused http://www.e30.de/, www.autoscout24.de, and www.faircar.de. If you know of a car for sale, or have other resources for finding cars for sale in Europe please let me know. As his driving partner I am very motivated to find him a car soon. Also, if someone could forward this to the E30 M3 SIG I would appreciate it. Juan Bruce BMW CCA GGC '85 M635CSi '95 M3 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Suspension Install Completed - Thanks! - from Rich Beebe
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:17:24 -0400 From: Rich Beebe <rich@beebecomm.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Suspension Install Completed - Thanks! From: Colin_S_Whelan@rrfc.raytheon.com > Just to recap, I ended up going with a Dinan Stage I (Koni SAs and Dinan > linear springs) with E46M3 rear shock mounts and Z3 reinforcement plates. > I cut the rear bump stops/dust covers in half and reinstalled them. I just > reinstalled the fronts without cutting them. The Koni SAs are set at 1 1/8 > turn from full soft. i did a similar install this weekend and i thought i'd show you something interesting that i found. about 4 weeks ago, 2 friends and i did a suspension swap on my 95 M3 (H&R sports, Koni SAs, E46 RSM, front reinforcement plates, 96+ hats) and once the car settled, it sat much higher (slightly above the rear tire) than my friend's E36 with the same 29936 rear springs. anyway, this past weekend, we did the same install on my LTW (H&R sports - 29936, Koni DAs, JTD RSM, Z3 plates, front plates, 96+ hats) and once we brought the car down, my rear tires were WAY tucked. i'm not really into that look, so i wasn't totally happy. since i also have a set of 18" RCs on the way for that car, i knew they would be even more tucked with another .5" (235/40s are 25.4") of tire in the fender. i measured both cars and the M3 was lower than the LTW in the front, but higher than the LTW in the rear. since my new JTD RSM bushings arrived tonight, i also did a spring swap on both cars, thinking i could at least level things out. somehow, i forgot to measure their static lengths, but they were different by at least 1/2". here's 2 pics of the springs (both 29936s) side by side. check out the difference: http://www.beebecomm.com/personal/E36M3/29936.jpg http://www.beebecomm.com/personal/E36M3/29936_2.jpg if you count the coils, they're identical. if you look at the one shot, you can see where the coils start and follow them all the way down and they end in the identical position, but check out how much looser the one is. the M3 is now slightly tucked and the LTW is sitting a bit above the rear tire. the 18" RCs will fit that car nicely now, but it is a bit higher than i would like it. does anybody know if there is a really thin spring rubber available from the dealer? that might make things perfect. thought some of you might find the spring difference interesting, since many of us run H&R springs. rich beebe M3s

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Suspension Install Completed - Thanks! - from Scott Yu
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Yu <segascott@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Suspension Install Completed - Thanks! Hey Rich, I find that VERY interesting, as my car is riding TOO LOW. I had compared spring part #s with both Alan and Kit, and we all had the same p/n's. Hey Kit, maybe we should swap front springs! --- Rich Beebe <rich@beebecomm.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:17:24 -0400 > From: Rich Beebe <rich@beebecomm.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Suspension Install Completed - > Thanks! > > From: Colin_S_Whelan@rrfc.raytheon.com > > > Just to recap, I ended up going with a Dinan Stage > I (Koni SAs and Dinan > > linear springs) with E46M3 rear shock mounts and > Z3 reinforcement plates. > > I cut the rear bump stops/dust covers in half and > reinstalled them. I just > > reinstalled the fronts without cutting them. The > Koni SAs are set at 1 1/8 > > turn from full soft. > > i did a similar install this weekend and i thought > i'd show you > something interesting that i found. about 4 weeks > ago, 2 friends > and i did a suspension swap on my 95 M3 (H&R sports, > Koni SAs, E46 > RSM, front reinforcement plates, 96+ hats) and once > the car settled, > it sat much higher (slightly above the rear tire) > than my friend's > E36 with the same 29936 rear springs. > > anyway, this past weekend, we did the same install > on my LTW (H&R > sports - 29936, Koni DAs, JTD RSM, Z3 plates, front > plates, 96+ hats) > and once we brought the car down, my rear tires were > WAY tucked. i'm > not really into that look, so i wasn't totally > happy. since i also > have a set of 18" RCs on the way for that car, i > knew they would be > even more tucked with another .5" (235/40s are > 25.4") of tire in the > fender. > > i measured both cars and the M3 was lower than the > LTW in the front, > but higher than the LTW in the rear. since my new > JTD RSM bushings > arrived tonight, i also did a spring swap on both > cars, thinking i > could at least level things out. somehow, i forgot > to measure their > static lengths, but they were different by at least > 1/2". here's 2 > pics of the springs (both 29936s) side by side. > check out the > difference: > > http://www.beebecomm.com/personal/E36M3/29936.jpg > http://www.beebecomm.com/personal/E36M3/29936_2.jpg > > if you count the coils, they're identical. if you > look at the one > shot, you can see where the coils start and follow > them all the way > down and they end in the identical position, but > check out how much > looser the one is. > > the M3 is now slightly tucked and the LTW is sitting > a bit above the > rear tire. the 18" RCs will fit that car nicely now, > but it is a > bit higher than i would like it. does anybody know > if there is a > really thin spring rubber available from the dealer? > that might > make things perfect. > > thought some of you might find the spring difference > interesting, > since many of us run H&R springs. > > rich beebe > M3s > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message to the email address > e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com

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#5. Re: [E36M3] H&R coilovers... too low. - from Jeff A
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:35:57 -0500 From: "Jeff A" <aabel@austin.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] H&R coilovers... too low. BTW, when I removed my H&R c/o's, I noticed that I was coilbinding up front big time. They were on for 7 months, less than 5,000 miles, front set at 13 1/4", rear 12". Jeff

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#6. Re: [E36M3] M3 Center Arm Rest q's - from Jay W. Hudson
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:52:42 -0700 From: "Jay W. Hudson" <jwhud@cdsnet.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3 Center Arm Rest q's >Mike, >You should know that in the down position the arm rest gets in the way of >shifting. Thus virtually everyone who drives a arm-rested M3 on track >bungee cords ties it in the 'up' position. >alex f >'95 M3 - we don't need no stinking center arm rests OR cup holders! > My '97 Sport version coupe didn't have an armrest. I added one I got from Bavarian Autosport. All BMW parts, black leather. I have no problem shifting with the armrest down. I even have a Stygar SS kit which is supposed to be 3/4" shorter than stock. I took bungees and tape to the track just in case. But, never had any problems with the armrest. Just another point of view. YMMV Jay

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Suspension Install Completed - Thanks! - from Rich Beebe
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:55:36 -0400 From: Rich Beebe <rich@beebecomm.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Suspension Install Completed - Thanks! From: Scott Yu <segascott@yahoo.com> > Hey Rich, > > I find that VERY interesting, as my car is riding TOO > LOW. I had compared spring part #s with both Alan and > Kit, and we all had the same p/n's. Hey Kit, maybe we > should swap front springs! if you swap front springs, you will still have a low rear spring. i spoke with matt malfa of UUC this past weekend and he reminded that there are thicker spring rubbers to slightly raise the rear of the car. check the UUC site, under 'tech tips' and then 'tire clearance'. they list the thickness of the rubbers and the part numbers. their 'suggested' swap gives you 10mm of clearance, which is roughly 3/8". this would make a noticeable difference and not raise it too much. i plan to try the 5mm thickness on the LTW, even though it's only be a 2.5mm reduction (stock should be 7.5mm). rich > --- Rich Beebe <rich@beebecomm.com> wrote: >> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:17:24 -0400 >> From: Rich Beebe <rich@beebecomm.com> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Suspension Install Completed - >> Thanks! >> >> From: Colin_S_Whelan@rrfc.raytheon.com >> >>> Just to recap, I ended up going with a Dinan Stage >> I (Koni SAs and Dinan >>> linear springs) with E46M3 rear shock mounts and >> Z3 reinforcement plates. >>> I cut the rear bump stops/dust covers in half and >> reinstalled them. I just >>> reinstalled the fronts without cutting them. The >> Koni SAs are set at 1 1/8 >>> turn from full soft. >> >> i did a similar install this weekend and i thought >> i'd show you >> something interesting that i found. about 4 weeks >> ago, 2 friends >> and i did a suspension swap on my 95 M3 (H&R sports, >> Koni SAs, E46 >> RSM, front reinforcement plates, 96+ hats) and once >> the car settled, >> it sat much higher (slightly above the rear tire) >> than my friend's >> E36 with the same 29936 rear springs. >> >> anyway, this past weekend, we did the same install >> on my LTW (H&R >> sports - 29936, Koni DAs, JTD RSM, Z3 plates, front >> plates, 96+ hats) >> and once we brought the car down, my rear tires were >> WAY tucked. i'm >> not really into that look, so i wasn't totally >> happy. since i also >> have a set of 18" RCs on the way for that car, i >> knew they would be >> even more tucked with another .5" (235/40s are >> 25.4") of tire in the >> fender. >> >> i measured both cars and the M3 was lower than the >> LTW in the front, >> but higher than the LTW in the rear. since my new >> JTD RSM bushings >> arrived tonight, i also did a spring swap on both >> cars, thinking i >> could at least level things out. somehow, i forgot >> to measure their >> static lengths, but they were different by at least >> 1/2". here's 2 >> pics of the springs (both 29936s) side by side. >> check out the >> difference: >> >> http://www.beebecomm.com/personal/E36M3/29936.jpg >> http://www.beebecomm.com/personal/E36M3/29936_2.jpg >> >> if you count the coils, they're identical. if you >> look at the one >> shot, you can see where the coils start and follow >> them all the way >> down and they end in the identical position, but >> check out how much >> looser the one is. >> >> the M3 is now slightly tucked and the LTW is sitting >> a bit above the >> rear tire. the 18" RCs will fit that car nicely now, >> but it is a >> bit higher than i would like it. does anybody know >> if there is a >> really thin spring rubber available from the dealer? >> that might >> make things perfect. >> >> thought some of you might find the spring difference >> interesting, >> since many of us run H&R springs. >> >> rich beebe >> M3s

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#8. OT: Garage Floor Finishing Options? - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:05:29 -0700 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: OT: Garage Floor Finishing Options? I am proud to say that I finally have a close date on my new (and first!) house. Being that I have my priorities straight, I'm planning the set-up of my new garage. I finally have a large amount of space I can use for maintaining my M3 and restoring my MGA. ;-) I'm wondering if anyone on the list has experience with the various garage floor finish options. I know of a few paints and treatments that have been in the car rags, but I'm hoping folks on the list may have first-hand experience. Any recommendations? On another note, any recommendation on shelving and storage systems would be appreciated. I'm trying to keep my costs down, but I'm open. Thanks, -peterg

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#9. SC Belt Access? - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 23:13:54 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: SC Belt Access? While the belt is working perfectly, being the perfectionist that I am, I must say that if I had my way, Id have a slightly shorter belt...The top with the pulley is so tightened that its belt portion is only about a half inch above the long bottom portion, and it looks like its deflecting a good couple of inches, instead of the preferred half inch to whole inch I read about... Theres no slippage, so I probably wont go looking for trouble, but, lets just say I wanted to change my belt... My Bentley says that you need a special 32mm open ended wrench to access the left handed threaded bolt to remove the fan, which I believe is a prerequisite to accessing the SC belt. But its still a problem to keep in from spinning...So BMW has a special tool for this..Just in case I need to change the belt one day, has anybody actually removed their fan themselves, and if so, could you detail how you did it? Thanks. Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 45K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water Injection; Fikse FM-10s; X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio

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#10. Re: Piston Ring - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:13:25 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Piston Ring on 7/22/02 8:43 PM, "David Sanchez" <sanchez918@msn.com> wrote: > Just had a misfiring diagnosed as low compression (80% leakage) on one of my > pistons. Technician told me (European Motor Cars, Las Vegas) that it was > possible a cracked ring. Has anybody experience this problem. The car is a > 5/94 build date with 78,000 miles and never been tracked. Aside from a > Conforti Chip it is entirely stock. I've dealt with the water pump problem > and other minor details but I hadn't heard of rings as a potential problem > for this model. I've never seen a post regarding shot piston rings, which of course doesn't mean it isn't possible. Still, there are lots of M3s around with more miles than yours. How do they know the compression leak isn't at a valve? Bent valves aren't unknown; usual cause is over-rev. Are you the original owner? Neil 96 M3

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