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#1. Re: [E36M3] Fontana: Plenty of Room Left - from peter@guagenti.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:55:15 US/Pacific From: peter@guagenti.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fontana: Plenty of Room Left > but I don't want to see > anyone loose any money on this either. Sheesh! At almost $600 for two days, how could they lose a dime? Maybe I'm getting spoiled with the NASA $300 weekends, but this seems insane to me. These are Laguna prices! Either I'd have to get double the track time or have Boris Said himself as my instructor... -peterg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. http://www.hispeed.com
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#2. Aluminum e30 control arms on e36 caution. - from TFRM3@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:15:51 EDT From: TFRM3@aol.com Subject: Aluminum e30 control arms on e36 caution. The BMW factory engineers have NEVER bolted any swaybar to any aluminum control arm. Recall that the e30 M3 has the sway bar bolted to the strut, as does the e36 M3, so it is appropriate to use these alloy arms on a 95 M3 (96-99 M3 is different geometry). All of the e36 non-M3s, with a minor exception in early 1992, have the sway bar bolted to the steel control arm. You can transfer the swaybar from the steel arm to the aluminum arm, there is a hole there, but I would never let my kid, or anyone else drive around like that. It is best to use the 95 M3 steel control arm, which also has a hole. (the hole is intended for fixturing, not for the sway bar, but it works) e30 M3 control arms can be used on a 96-99 M3 by changing the lower control arm bushing to the more masculine 95 style. Jay Morris (Finally taking 69 Buick GS convertible to the body shop tonight!)
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Fontana: Plenty of Room Left - from Carey Probst
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:17:14 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Fontana: Plenty of Room Left Well at least you have a choice of XXXL on the t-shirt for the $. We only go to XXL at Watkins Glen for $275 midweek. So for an extra $300 I can get an XXXL t-shirt. Sounds like a good CA deal to me. Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. -----Original Message----- From: peter@guagenti.com [mailto:peter@guagenti.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:06 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fontana: Plenty of Room Left Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:55:15 US/Pacific From: peter@guagenti.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fontana: Plenty of Room Left > but I don't want to see > anyone loose any money on this either. Sheesh! At almost $600 for two days, how could they lose a dime? Maybe I'm getting spoiled with the NASA $300 weekends, but this seems insane to me. These are Laguna prices! Either I'd have to get double the track time or have Boris Said himself as my instructor... -peterg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- This message was sent using HiSpeed Technologies Webmail. http://www.hispeed.com ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Fontana: Plenty of Room Left - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:24:20 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fontana: Plenty of Room Left At 11:05 AM 8/8/02, peter@guagenti.com talked about: >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:55:15 US/Pacific >From: peter@guagenti.com >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fontana: Plenty of Room Left > > > but I don't want to see > > anyone loose any money on this either. > >Sheesh! At almost $600 for two days, how could they lose a dime? Depends on how much it cost to rent the track. "Big name" tracks like Laguna, Sears, and I would guess Fontana & Las Vegas cost a LOT more to rent (and even more on weekends) then say, Thunderhill or Buttonwillow. Plus it depends on what the event is. NASA events have a bunch of different groups with more participants whereas BMW CCA schools have limited enrollment. Makes a difference whether you have 100 students or 300-400 racers/HPDE-ers. > Maybe I'm >getting spoiled with the NASA $300 weekends, but this seems insane to me. >These are Laguna prices! And how much quality track time and instruction do you get at NASA events vs. BMW CCA events, as an example? Gotta love those "20 minute, oh wait we're behind schedule, 17 minute" sessions at NASA. :-) And even NASA charges more the few times they run Laguna. >Either I'd have to get double the track time or have Boris Said himself as my >instructor... For some, the appeal of running a "big name" track is worth the extra cost. One of the reasons I'm heading to Las Vegas this weekend. As always, IMO, YMMV, PDCC. Jim Bassett
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#5. Need to buy/borrow lollipops - from Steve Walsh
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:31:06 -0700 From: Steve Walsh <stevewalsh@earthlink.net> Subject: Need to buy/borrow lollipops To make replacing my current lower control arm inner bushings, I'm hoping to find/buy/borrow a pair of the <breath> lower control arm inner bushing housings....or sometimes known as 'lollipops'. BMW parts 31 12 1 139 789 and 790. Anyone have a pair I can buy/rent/borrow ?
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: What is the best aftermarket OEM shocks? - from Matt Henson
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:28:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: What is the best aftermarket OEM shocks? --- alex.fadeev@verizon.com wrote: > > > Otherwise it's a pain, and most people will not be > able to > > adjust them to the ideal setting. > > Not true. > However inconvenient, the ability to adjust Koni's > for any spring easily > beats the alternative of misadjusted Bilsteins. Really? So, what's the proper adjustment for a 300lb spring? How about 450lbs? Did you use a shock dyno to match the damping rate to your springs and bars? Or make a few hundred laps around a track while measuring times? Or did you use the butt dyno to dial them in until they "felt good"? Over which road surface? My point is that, even if you can easily dial in the setting (which you can't on the rears unless you have something that 95% of M3 owners don't) most people still don't know how to really properly set it up. Biltsteins are set up pretty well for stock springs. If you have aftermarket springs then you can probably get get results with the Konis but, again, 95% of M3 owners don't. Many of the people on this list do benefit by using the adjustable Konis but we aren't exactly typical M3 owners (well, we like to think that we aren't at least). > > > Biltstein has a superior overall design with the > gas-charged > > monotube. > > That is not a benefit that can be derived in either > street or sporadic > track use. No, but it's pretty badass when you're in the "My shocks are better than your shocks" competition ;-). > > > Realistically, 95% of M3 owners would really be > better off just > > getting the OEM shocks at discount prices. > > I have to vehemently disagree with that > recommendation. > OEM Boge shocks are overpriced junk. They fail in > 20-40K miles. At which > point they have to be replaced at owner's parts and > labor cost again, and > again, and again. I don't disagree that they will go bad, I'm just saying that I had the same problem with Konis. And that warrenty doesn't transfer so "lifetime" doesn't mean very much. Just my 0.02.. -Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
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#7. Re: What is the best aftermarket OEM shocks? - from Boen168@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:33:07 EDT From: Boen168@aol.com Subject: Re: What is the best aftermarket OEM shocks? Gruppe, Thank you so very much for all the great advices and recommendations that I've received. It is sincerely appreciated! If I replaced the shocks with Bilsteins but still retaining the stock springs, since it is a stronger shock than the factory OE., will it increase the ride height? Also, I've been informed by a couple of listers that the Bilsteins for the E36M3 are actually the "Heavy Duties" and not the "Sport" as listed, so the ride should be quite comfortable but stiffer than stock. Would really appreciate any comments! Thanks much again, Best regards, David '95 M3
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Fontana: Plenty of Room Left - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:35:57 -0500 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fontana: Plenty of Room Left Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> wrote: > > At 11:05 AM 8/8/02, peter@guagenti.com talked about: > >Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:55:15 US/Pacific > >From: peter@guagenti.com > >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Fontana: Plenty of Room Left > > > > > but I don't want to see > > > anyone loose any money on this either. > > > >Sheesh! At almost $600 for two days, how could they lose a dime? > >Maybe I'm getting spoiled with the NASA $300 weekends, but this > >seems insane to me. These are Laguna prices! > > And how much quality track time and instruction do you get at NASA > events vs. BMW CCA events, as an example? Folks, I don't know how about the rest of the country, but down here in TX we are not exactly spoiled for instructor talent. All local DEs rely on the same pool of instructors, most of whom are PCA or SCCA racers. Our local contingent of BMW racers is growing, but even coupled with the experienced BMW track junkies we would not be able to field enough instructors to run a BMW-only event. PCA, on the other hand, has a lot of racing talent and even runs instructor training classes. What I'm trying to say is that I would not get too snobbish about the quality of BMW DE instruction vs. that of other organizations... > Gotta love those "20 minute, oh wait we're behind schedule, 17 > minute" sessions at NASA. :-) Happens with our BMW DEs as well. Mostly caused by instructor run groups that deposit fluids/spare parts on track ;-) YMMV, alex f
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: What is the best aftermarket OEM shocks? - from Chris Papademetrious
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:51:47 -0400 From: Chris Papademetrious <chrispy@ieee.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: What is the best aftermarket OEM shocks? At 01:35 PM 8/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Gruppe, > >Thank you so very much for all the great advices and recommendations that >I've received. It is sincerely appreciated! > >If I replaced the shocks with Bilsteins but still retaining the stock >springs, since it is a stronger shock than the factory OE., will it >increase the ride height? Also, I've been informed by a couple of listers >that the Bilsteins for the E36M3 are actually the "Heavy Duties" and not the >"Sport" as listed, so the ride should be quite comfortable but stiffer than >stock. Would really appreciate any comments! David, The Bilsteins raise the car maybe 1/4". The H+R OE Sport progressive springs I purchased drop the car 3/4" in front, and 1/3" in the rear. Overall, the car now sits very slightly lower than stock, and is tilted down at the nose a hair more. I ordered from http://www.shox.com/ and had no problems. (Andy, sorry to hear about your problems. Maybe I got lucky!) The entire order of springs and shocks for my 95 M3 came to $818 shipped. Here were the part numbers and prices from 3/6/2000: VE3-4237 M3 (E36) 05-99 $177 (front) VE3-4238 M3 (E36) 05-99 $177 (front) BE5-2453 M3 (E36) 95-99 $95.50/ea (rear x2) 50410.55 M3 OE/SPORT $249/set When I called Bilstein to look up the part numbers for possible warranty replacement, I heard him read off "M3 Sport" from his computer screen. BTW, their warranty service is absolutely no-hassle. Send the old questionable ones in, they will test them for free and rebuild/replace any which do not meet spec. You do have to eat shipping to them, but that's a small price to pay. - Chris
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: What is the best aftermarket OEM shocks? - from Juan Rico
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:02:51 -0700 From: Juan Rico <juan_rico@captionsinc.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: What is the best aftermarket OEM shocks? David, I replaced my worn stock shocks with a Bilstein/Eibach combo. I gained about an inch at the front and lost almost an inch at the back-- but keep in mind that my car had totally worn out shocks, so in a way it was actually lowered. I suppose with stock springs you'll gain more height. The ride is firmer and stiffer with Bilsteins and not at all uncomfortable. HOWEVER, you will be in for a real treat when you're stuck in traffic on the freeway cruising along under 40 MPH. The car does feel like a pogo stick. That is the only time I've found my suspension combo to be annoying. It all makes sense, though, once you hit twisties and canyon roads <g>, provided you don't rip one of your control arms off, like I had happen to me the other day. Juan. (3 wheeled M3 for now...) -----Original Message----- From: Boen168@aol.com [mailto:Boen168@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 11:35 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re: What is the best aftermarket OEM shocks? Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:33:07 EDT From: Boen168@aol.com Subject: Re: What is the best aftermarket OEM shocks? Gruppe, Thank you so very much for all the great advices and recommendations that I've received. It is sincerely appreciated! If I replaced the shocks with Bilsteins but still retaining the stock springs, since it is a stronger shock than the factory OE., will it increase the ride height? Also, I've been informed by a couple of listers that the Bilsteins for the E36M3 are actually the "Heavy Duties" and not the "Sport" as listed, so the ride should be quite comfortable but stiffer than stock. Would really appreciate any comments! Thanks much again, Best regards, David '95 M3 ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************