E36M3 #2513

Monday, August 12, 2002 18:15:15

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#1. Re: [E36M3] E36 Alum'n undertray - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
#2. Re: [E36M3] Air Bag light - from Boen168@aol.com
#3. Airbag light - new question - from James Clay
#4. Re: [E36M3] E36 Alum'n undertray - from Dave Kelley
#5. Air Bag Light - from Brad Ahrens
#6. Rogue Engineering Test Drive Program - from Ben Liaw - Rogue Engineering
#7. Re: [E36M3] E36 Alum'n undertray - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
#8. Re: [E36M3] E36 Alum'n undertray - from Reid Conti
#9. Re: Fontana: Plenty of Room Left - from shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com
#10. Re: Oil (Again) - from Neil Maller

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#1. Re: [E36M3] E36 Alum'n undertray - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:26:49 -0500 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 Alum'n undertray "Dave Kelley" <d.kelley@usa.net> wrote: > > This thing still tends to rip off at high speeds. I have mine taped > down with 200 mph racer's tape! Not if you bolt it down it doesn't ;-) Mine had survived numerous curb massages, trips over road debris and offs, some at triple digit speeds. The undertray now has one year worth of dents, scratches and road rash that IMHO would have ripped off numerous replacement OEM shields. > It still comes loose even with the L brackets I added, so I guess I am going over 200 mph! :-) I doubled the number of mounting bolts holding the undertray to the front lip (from two to four). Also reinforced the plastic front wheel wells with aluminum 'L' brackets. Works like a charm. YMMV, alex f

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Air Bag light - from Boen168@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:51:23 EDT From: Boen168@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Air Bag light Craig, It is the seat belt sensor, most probably on the driver's side that has gone south on you. Mine did this at approx. 48K, except my airbag light stayed on making driving the car an uncomfortable proposition!! The dealer in LA replaced it under warranty. The car just turned 150K and hasn't done it since. Best regards, David ''95 M3 In a message dated 8/12/02 12:24:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, e36m3@bmw-m.net writes: > For no obvious reason, my airbag light has started staying lit for about > >> two > >> minutes after startup. This would seem longer than necessary for the > test > >> cycle (the light used to go out after a few seconds). Resetting the ECU > > >> had > >> no effect. An list archive search turned up a few posts about a > constant > >> light but nothing about a two-minute delay. > >> > >> Any theories? > >> > >> I've also heard two conflicting "expert" opinions about my current > safety > >> status: 1) the light goes out as a "courtesy" but the airbags won't > deploy > >> under any circumstances, and 2) the airbags will deploy when the light > is > >> out, but not when it's on. > >> > >> What's the truth? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Craig Perrin > >> 95 M3 > > > > >

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#3. Airbag light - new question - from James Clay
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:03:00 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: Airbag light - new question OK, now that this is a topic, I will take the opportunity fix my airbag problem. What is the solution to the light that is constantly on? 1997 car. Thanks. James ------------------------------------------------------------------ James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com Engineered BMW Performance World Challenge / SCCA / BMWCCA Racecar Rental Genuine and OEM BMW Parts (540) 639-9648 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Please inquire about our new line of performance street, track, and full race clutch/flywheel systems.

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#4. Re: [E36M3] E36 Alum'n undertray - from Dave Kelley
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:26:57 -0400 From: "Dave Kelley" <d.kelley@usa.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 Alum'n undertray You get it bolted down too well, and the stupid fender liner starts to break! Anyone who says the underpanel is not needed, should take a look at the beating it takes. I'm glad it is there! > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:26:49 -0500 > From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 Alum'n undertray > > > "Dave Kelley" <d.kelley@usa.net> wrote: > > > > This thing still tends to rip off at high speeds. I have mine taped > > down with 200 mph racer's tape! > > Not if you bolt it down it doesn't ;-) > Mine had survived numerous curb massages, trips over road debris and offs, > some at triple digit speeds. The undertray now has one year worth of dents, > scratches and road rash that IMHO would have ripped off numerous > replacement OEM shields. > > > It still comes loose even with the L brackets I added, so I guess I am > going over 200 mph! :-) > > I doubled the number of mounting bolts holding the undertray to the front > lip (from two to four). Also reinforced the plastic front wheel wells with > aluminum 'L' brackets. Works like a charm. > > YMMV, > alex f > > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > > >

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#5. Air Bag Light - from Brad Ahrens
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:42:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Ahrens <txsaggie97@yahoo.com> Subject: Air Bag Light There is another option if your SRS light is on although I believe it causes a constant light (like mine) vs the the light turning off. Mine is the passenger side occupancy sensor which is the usual suspect if its not the seat belt sensor. Unfortunately it is more of a pain to get to in order to replace (haven't tried taking the seat out but I thought I remembered someone saying you have to take the leather off. fun fun.) The good news is from talking with various people it will default to "occupied" which minimizes the danger of driving with it on to an adult riding with you as the airbag will deploy. I have delayed getting mine fixed as I see aftermarket seats in my future. I may be trying the Jim P. circuit - although if anyone has one laying around I could be interested. We'll see how my insurance inspection goes with Geico today. Brad __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com

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#6. Rogue Engineering Test Drive Program - from Ben Liaw - Rogue Engineering
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:25:07 -0400 From: "Ben Liaw - Rogue Engineering" <ben@rogueengineering.com> Subject: Rogue Engineering Test Drive Program Rogue Engineering is proud to introduce a program never before implemented in the aftermarket industry. For the first time, potential Rogue Engineering exhaust buyers can try out any of our exhaust systems in our Test Drive Program. By being able to actually try a Rogue Engineering exhaust, without the commitment of purchasing it outright, we allow our customers the peace of mind that they've purchased a product that they'll enjoy. This program applies to all exhausts produced by Rogue Engineering, including E36 DMS, our new E46 DMS (325/330) and even our MINI Cooper exhausts. See our website for all the details at www.rogueengineering.com Thanks to Suzy for letting us announce this. Regards, Ben Liaw Rogue Engineering . 201.444.8150

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#7. Re: [E36M3] E36 Alum'n undertray - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:09:15 -0500 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 Alum'n undertray "Dave Kelley" <d.kelley@usa.net> wrote: > > You get it bolted down too well, and the stupid fender liner > starts to break! Excellent point! Especially if you keep the #*$@ing pork chops. Pork chops are a death wish to your fender liners. They are easily the lowest point under your car's nose and every bit of horizontal pressure they receive is transmitted directly to the fragile plastic fender liner mounts. I even managed to rip off an 'L' shaped aluminium fender liner mount reinforcement when I tried running with the JTD under tray and the pork chops. No pork chops == no torn wheel liners. I don't care if they make your hair grow back - they are never going back on my car. JTD - pork chops == happy E36 nose. The same formula may even work for an OEM under tray with Niel's reinforcements. Just say 'no' to pork chops! > Anyone who says the underpanel is not needed, should take a > look at the beating it takes. I'm glad it is there! Agree 100%. The belts, the pulleys, the coolant hoses and the bottom of the radiator are all exposed to road shrapnel without an underpanel of some kind. alex f > alex.fadeev@verizon.com wrote: > "Dave Kelley" <d.kelley@usa.net> wrote: > > > > This thing still tends to rip off at high speeds. I have mine taped > > down with 200 mph racer's tape! > > Not if you bolt it down it doesn't ;-) > Mine had survived numerous curb massages, trips over road debris and offs, > some at triple digit speeds. The undertray now has one year worth of dents, > scratches and road rash that IMHO would have ripped off numerous > replacement OEM shields. > > > It still comes loose even with the L brackets I added, so I guess I am > going over 200 mph! :-) > > I doubled the number of mounting bolts holding the undertray to the front > lip (from two to four). Also reinforced the plastic front wheel wells with > aluminum 'L' brackets. Works like a charm. > > YMMV, > alex f

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#8. Re: [E36M3] E36 Alum'n undertray - from Reid Conti
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:33:09 -0700 From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 Alum'n undertray ... but don't the pork chops help hold the brake ducts in place? I lost my under tray, but still have pork chops barely hanging on.. the brake ducts kinda sit on them, and sometimes go into the fender lining.. maybe without the pork chops, though, the fender linings wouldn't move as much, so the brake ducts wouldn't get knocked around? I'm game for pulling my pork chops, too :) - reid On 8/12/02 15:25, "alex.fadeev@verizon.com" <alex.fadeev@verizon.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:09:15 -0500 > From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 Alum'n undertray > > > "Dave Kelley" <d.kelley@usa.net> wrote: >> >> You get it bolted down too well, and the stupid fender liner >> starts to break! > > Excellent point! > Especially if you keep the #*$@ing pork chops. Pork chops are a death wish > to your fender liners. They are easily the lowest point under your car's > nose and every bit of horizontal pressure they receive is transmitted > directly to the fragile plastic fender liner mounts. I even managed to rip > off an 'L' shaped aluminium fender liner mount reinforcement when I tried > running with the JTD under tray and the pork chops. > No pork chops == no torn wheel liners. I don't care if they make your hair > grow back - they are never going back on my car. > JTD - pork chops == happy E36 nose. > The same formula may even work for an OEM under tray with Niel's > reinforcements. Just say 'no' to pork chops! > >> Anyone who says the underpanel is not needed, should take a >> look at the beating it takes. I'm glad it is there! > > Agree 100%. > The belts, the pulleys, the coolant hoses and the bottom of the radiator > are all exposed to road shrapnel without an underpanel of some kind. > > alex f > > >> alex.fadeev@verizon.com wrote: >> "Dave Kelley" <d.kelley@usa.net> wrote: >>> >>> This thing still tends to rip off at high speeds. I have mine taped >>> down with 200 mph racer's tape! >> >> Not if you bolt it down it doesn't ;-) >> Mine had survived numerous curb massages, trips over road debris and > offs, >> some at triple digit speeds. The undertray now has one year worth of > dents, >> scratches and road rash that IMHO would have ripped off numerous >> replacement OEM shields. >> >>> It still comes loose even with the L brackets I added, so I guess I am >> going over 200 mph! :-) >> >> I doubled the number of mounting bolts holding the undertray to the front >> lip (from two to four). Also reinforced the plastic front wheel wells > with >> aluminum 'L' brackets. Works like a charm. >> >> YMMV, >> alex f > > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >

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#9. Re: Fontana:  Plenty of Room Left - from shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:59:49 -0500 From: shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com Subject: Re: Fontana: Plenty of Room Left I'm coming into this really late, but figured I would drop my two cents into the bucket. I have been running NASA for a couple years, and have instructed for them as well as many chapters of the BMW CCA, Datsun Z Club, Mazda, etc. I recently attended two NASA events, one at CMP and one at Summit Point. CMP is in my back yard, so I don't really care if I get tons of track time; it's easy to get there, I get to sleep in my own bed, etc. Summit, on the other hand, is a six hour tow through the mountains and is a bit of an extravagance for me for a driving school. At the Summit weekend, I reset my odometer at the beginning of the weekend and at the end of the weekend I had driven 92 miles. I towed 12 hours for 92 miles. That sucks. I even took some students out for rides in the Advanced groups, and ran ALL my sessions. At CMP it was the same story, except I only took one run in the student groups. 80 miles all weekend. The average BMW CCA school I get at least 150 - 250 miles depending on how many rides I give to students, and whether I am able to sign off an advanced or intermediate student. CCA schools also usually have Friday instructor days, where I will usually get in over 100 miles. The problem with NASA is exactly as Jim says. They have too many groups and too many races for a weekend. My experience is that the races always take longer than they should, and there is always at least one car that needs to be towed in afterwards that loses even more time. They do hot pulls, which helps some, but still there is less track time for everybody as a result. Couple that with the use of a pace car (causes everybody to bunch up and trains abound) and you have a weekend that will produce less track time than a BMW school. Just my observations. Shane K. >Geez, Jim, chill. >Nobody is calling you a liar. What NorCal NASA does to its students is an >atrocity that's hard to believe unless, I guess, you've been there. I'm >sorry to hear NASA stacks student cars like fish in the barrel at their >NorCal events and than turns around and runs two groups on track at the >same time. >That's pathetic. >But luckily not always (rarely? frequently?) the case with commercial DE >schools across the country. Shane A. Kleinpeter Accenture - Products Travel & Transportation Services Suite 800 900 West Trade Street Charlotte, NC 28202 Voice Mail (704) 370-5216 Mobile (704) 906-7965 e-mail: Shane.A.Kleinpeter@Accenture.com This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.

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#10. Re: Oil (Again) - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:12:28 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Oil (Again) on 8/10/02 7:05 PM, Chuck Hanson <chanson60@comcast.net> wrote: > 10W40 seems like it would be about right but of course they [Mobil] don't make > one. How about 10W30 vs. 15W50? Believe it or not they do. But you'll have to go to a motorcycle shop to find it. But here in Indiana I use the 5W-30 Mobil 1 in winter, 15W-50 for summer/track. Neil 96 M3

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