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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: RE730 vs. SO3 - from Rich Beebe
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:57:13 -0400 From: Rich Beebe <rich@beebecomm.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: RE730 vs. SO3 that was assuming the 7.5s carried 225s and the 8.5s had 245s on them, i would guess. rich > From: "matthew c. mead" <mmead-bmw@goof.com> > Reply-To: "matthew c. mead" <mmead-bmw@goof.com> > Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:23:55 -0500 > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: RE730 vs. SO3 > > Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:14:42 -0400 > From: "matthew c. mead" <mmead-bmw@goof.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: RE730 vs. SO3 > > My question is, why would it give you understeer OR oversteer > beyond normal if the tires are the same all around? It's just > different wheel size. > > > > -matt > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 06:33:55PM -0500, Peter Fanning wrote: >> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:28:43 -0700 >> From: Peter Fanning <p.fanning@verizon.net> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: RE730 vs. SO3 >> >> Uh, yea, it's my accent. >> >> Er, I was seeing if anyone was paying attention. >> >> Yea, that's it. >> >> >> DOH! (think before typing, think before typing...) >> >> Peter >> usually the smartass... >> >> At 04:14 PM 8/23/2002 -0700, Jim Bassett wrote: >>> At 03:33 PM 8/23/02, Peter Fanning wrote: >>>> I wouldn't run the 8.5 in front with 7.5 in back. I think you'd find the >>>> handling unpleasant, can you say understeer? >>> >>> Yes, but it's pronounced "OVERsteer". >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> Jim >>> ...just a twinge of "smartass-ness"
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#2. Re: [E36M3] '95 5-Spoke Wheels & Tires - from matthew c. mead
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:13:23 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" <mmead-bmw@goof.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] '95 5-Spoke Wheels & Tires On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 09:03:56PM -0500, Greg Gantt wrote: > It would seem option-2 would give me the flexibility to rotate tires and get > a little more rubber on the road. Are there any downsides to the handling > characteristics in making this change? I do occasionally autocross the > car - would running 8.5" wheels up front put me in a non-stock class? In SCCA Solo II, yes. You could, however, run 7.5" wheels all around because that was an orderable option on the 95 M3. With 96 and up, they came with the staggered setup in all wheel option configurations. -matt -- matthew c. mead 97 Dakar M3/4 - sharked, xbraced 97 White GS-R/4 - stock (wife's) 92 Black Miata - dropped, dampened, headed towards SM http://www.goof.com/~mmead/
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#3. Oops, I Did It Again and The Check Is In The Mail - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:38:30 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: Oops, I Did It Again and The Check Is In The Mail Peeps, As some of you may know by now, about a month ago, I made a wee bit of a mistake and but my M3 into the inside wall at turn 10 at Watkins Glen at a BMW CCA sponsored driver's school. Fortunately, I walked away completely unharmed aside from a majorly bruised ego and some minor bruises from the airbag and the belts but the car is a different story. It was totaled. No, it isn't like it was bent in half or anything like that but the front end is a mess and the right-rear got damaged when the car spun after the initial impact. My brand new, less than 1 week old welded-in roll bar kept me in place with the harnesses but luckily I didn't test it out any further than that. Since I am sure that all of you are curious, you can see the pictures here: http://64.14.56.30/m3/wgcrash - the first ones are at the track, and the rest are in the body shop when we were swapping the stock parts back in. I don't know what caused the incident but the back end just came around and I went straight into the inside wall. Did I lift mid-turn? I know not to do that but that doesn't mean that I didn't do it unconsciously. I certainly don't remember doing it. One interesting thing that I discovered post-accident is that the top pin on the gas pedal that is the actual throttle cable connection was not connected to the pedal anymore when I was looking over the car at the body shop. Could it have somehow come off due to a loose pedal and then closed the throttle which led to the spin? You may think that that is far fetched but in the previous run group, a friend drove my car and had the pin come out twice on him. Other than those times, this has never happened before and I have never heard of it but who knows - there is a first time for everything. I know that I must have had my left foot in (remember - if you spin, both feet in) because I actually broke the clutch pedal on impact (also discovered post accident). Now I am sure that you are all wondering about a few things like what happened with insurance, what about the parts on my highly modified car and what do I plan on doing now? First, the insurance worked out fine. The check is in the mail for the full fair market value of the car. They asked what I was doing at Watkins Glen and I explained what a driver's school was and that no racing is allowed (which is completely true). Other than that, it was fairly straightforward. They had an adjustor check out the car and determined that the salvage value was $8,000 (which made it not worth keeping to me even as a track only car). I then had a chance to swap all of my stock parts back into the car and say goodbye. No, I don't plan on having a fire sale on good parts just yet because my plan right now is to replace the car with another E36M3. Of course, that leads me to the last point - what am I going to do now. My immediate reaction was to get an E46M3 but when I realized that it was $62,000 out the door with the options that I wanted, I felt that that was WAY too much money. I haven't completely ruled out a Corvette Z06 because I can get one brand new for under $45k out the door but the problem is that it is a Corvette and I don't see myself driving a Corvette. Am I in a hurry to decide? Not at all because I have been driving my dad's brand new UFO (aka Mini Cooper S) and I have to say that that car is an absolute BLAST. If any of you ever thought that your M3 (or your Lamborghini Diablo for that matter) got looks, you haven't seen anything yet. The Mini is a people magnet - everyone wants to talk to you about it, know what you think about it and know how much it cost. Everyone. Really - NYC is not a car place at all and at every stop light, almost everyone's head turns as they walk in front of the car. As you drive along, many people wave, give thumbs up and scream things (good things) at me. No, it doesn't accelerate like an M3 (yet!) but it corners well and when you get the rev's up, it does zip along. BMW did a great job with this one. Anyway, that explains why I have been very quiet recently but I am still here, in one piece and ready to move on to the next car.... -Wayne '99 M3/2 Black/Magma RIP P.S. Chester had a great comment after we loaded up my dad's Oldsmobile Aurora with the M3 parts last weekend - "Look, the Aurora swallowed an M3!" P.P.S. The "Oops, I did it again" reference wasn't because I like Britney Spears but because I had a similar incident at Pocono Raceway almost 3 years ago.
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#4. Re: Re: [E36M3] Re: RE730 vs. SO3/Wheel Size - from cteague@cox.net
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 0:09:41 -0400 From: <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: Re: [E36M3] Re: RE730 vs. SO3/Wheel Size Matt, Wheel size does have a significant effect on the tire grip. In general, running a larger wheel on the same tire will stiffen the sidewall, and give better steering response, and possibly more grip. I couldn't say if that is enough to change the balance of a car, but it might be. Personally, I think wheel size is more critical than tire size, but I know other people disagree. Chris 97 M3/4 > > From: "matthew c. mead" <mmead-bmw@goof.com> > Date: 2002/08/23 Fri PM 09:23:55 EDT > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: RE730 vs. SO3 > > Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:14:42 -0400 > From: "matthew c. mead" <mmead-bmw@goof.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: RE730 vs. SO3 > > My question is, why would it give you understeer OR oversteer > beyond normal if the tires are the same all around? It's just > different wheel size. >
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#5. Oversteer with wider front rims/tires [was RE730] - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:18:33 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Oversteer with wider front rims/tires [was RE730] Peter writes: > I wouldn't run the 8.5 in front with 7.5 in back. I think you'd find the > handling unpleasant, can you say [over]steer? I plan on dismounting the > tires form the wheels flipping them and moving them from the front wheels > to the rears. As an fyi some 95 M3s came with staggered wheels and > 235/40/17 all around from the factory. Theoretically yes, wider tires or wider rims with same size tire will tend to cause less understeer or oversteer. However, in practice I doubt you will notice much difference. I did one better than Peter's scenario above. I did one Saturday of a DE with 245/40 on 8.5" rims on the rear and 235/40 on 7.5" rims on the front. Due to the fact my front 235's were rapidly wearing out and I feared they would be corded before the DE ended, I swapped the tires around. That is, I had both wider tires and rims on the front vs rear. You would think I would have noticed a huge increase in oversteer? Nope. To be honest, I could not tell one iota of difference. Tire and rim size is just one factor in a car's understeer/oversteer tendency. From my experience, I would say it is a rather small factor. At least if you are just dealing with small differences in tire sizes like my experience - 10 mm. Probably if you swapped tires with 30 mm or greater difference in width, you would notice a significant difference. Peter, before you go to the trouble and expense of dismounting and remounting all 4 tires, you might try just rotating the tires, especially if you are just going to be driving on the street. You probably are not driving fast enough on the street to notice the slight difference. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 - now with 8.5" rims and 235/45 BFG R-1 tires all around Dallas, Texas
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#6. Re: [E36M3] '95 5-Spoke Wheels & Tires - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:37:28 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] '95 5-Spoke Wheels & Tires Greg writes: > 1) Stick with 235/40s and live with tire-swapping or uneven replacement > intervals > 2) Purchase a set of 8.5" 5-spoke wheels to put up front and then run > 245/40s front and rear Personally, I think our M3's look much better with wider tires/rims than stock '95's came with, i.e., 235 on 7.5". I quickly decided to upsize to 245/40 on 8.5" polished forged rims after I bent ALL FOUR of my OEM rims one raining night. The 245's really filled out the front fenders and made my car look much better IMHO. If money is not a problem, I recommend buying another pair of 8.5" silver painted forged rims and mounting 245/40 tires on all four corners. The 245 on 8.5" stock BMW rims will just BARELY fit on the front without rubbing the front strut. But they will fit. P.S. If you've got a pair of straight 8.5" silver finished 5-spokes for> > sale, e-mail me privately with pics and price at ggantt@mail.com. Thanks. Hahaha! Thanks for the laugh Greg. <g> Those are the rarest of OEM M3 rims. I doubt you will find anybody with them sitting around gathering dust. Your best bet is to buy them new. Check out the BMW advertisers in the Roundel who offer 20% or 25% off list price. List for those rims is $688. Good luck! Lowell Seaton '95 M3 Dallas, Texas
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#7. Re: Change oil before or after driving school? - from Carguymb@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:15:00 EDT From: Carguymb@aol.com Subject: Re: Change oil before or after driving school? Mobil 1 at 4,200 miles should be more or less like new. I've run it to 7,500 miles (in a VW), and had in analyzed. It was like new. My $.02 would be after. Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 In a message dated 8/23/02 10:16:23 PM, e36m3@bmw-m.net writes: >-------------------- 4 -------------------- >Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:43:08 -0400 >From: "K Quistorff" <kqkq@nc.rr.com> >Subject: Change oil before or after driving school? > >I'm coming up on a oil change (4200 miles since last change - Mobil1 15W-50 >w/OEM filter) and wondered if it would make more sense to change the oil >just before or just after an upcoming track school. > >Keith Quistorff >1996 M3 >Cary, NC
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Change oil before or after driving school? - from Gerry
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 9:26:02 -0400 From: Gerry <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Change oil before or after driving school? Keith, You should consider changing only the oil filter between oil changes. Easy and inexpensive. Gerry > > From: Carguymb@aol.com > Date: 2002/08/24 Sat AM 07:23:54 EDT > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Subject: [E36M3] Re: Change oil before or after driving school? > > Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 07:15:00 EDT > From: Carguymb@aol.com > Subject: Re: Change oil before or after driving school? > > Mobil 1 at 4,200 miles should be more or less like new. I've run it to 7,500 > miles (in a VW), and had in analyzed. It was like new. > > My $.02 would be after. > > Martin Bullen > '95 M3 > '97 Z3 2.8 > > In a message dated 8/23/02 10:16:23 PM, e36m3@bmw-m.net writes: > > >-------------------- 4 -------------------- > >Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:43:08 -0400 > >From: "K Quistorff" <kqkq@nc.rr.com> > >Subject: Change oil before or after driving school? > > > >I'm coming up on a oil change (4200 miles since last change - Mobil1 15W-50 > >w/OEM filter) and wondered if it would make more sense to change the oil > >just before or just after an upcoming track school. > > > >Keith Quistorff > >1996 M3 > >Cary, NC > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > >
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#9. Independent Service advice in Herndon/McLean VA area - from Carey Probst
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:00:27 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Independent Service advice in Herndon/McLean VA area My son Darren finally got a real job and is moving to Herndon VA and will be working in McLean. We've both depended heavily on Phoenix Imports in East Rochester for supurb service over the years and he is looking for a new high quality service facility for his 325is. Also recommendations on tracks would be appreciated. I assume that the BMW CCA chapter is the National Capital? TIA. Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Independent Service advice in Herndon/McLean VA area - from Jason Jensen
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:15:29 -0400 From: "Jason Jensen" <jasonjensen75@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Independent Service advice in Herndon/McLean VA area I would highly recommend Curry's (www.currysauto.com)in Ashburn. It's a few minutes from Herndon, just off the toll road... The local CCA is the National Chapter. They have a YahooGroup/mail list at DCMetroBMW. It's a very active list, and full of knowledgeable helpful people. I would imagine you'll get the same response from them. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Carey Probst [mailto:hcprobst@alum.mit.edu] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 12:04 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Independent Service advice in Herndon/McLean VA area Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:00:27 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Independent Service advice in Herndon/McLean VA area My son Darren finally got a real job and is moving to Herndon VA and will be working in McLean. We've both depended heavily on Phoenix Imports in East Rochester for supurb service over the years and he is looking for a new high quality service facility for his 325is. Also recommendations on tracks would be appreciated. I assume that the BMW CCA chapter is the National Capital? TIA. Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************