E36M3 #2559

Thursday, August 29, 2002 17:34:14

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#1. 96+ Spark Plugs - from Rex Tener
#2. Re: [E36M3] 96+ Spark Plugs - from Andrej Dolenc
#3. Re: [E36M3] 96+ Spark Plugs - from Jim Bassett
#4. Questions about brakes - from Dorffer, Rich
#5. Euro HFM and Injectors - from Paul Elliott
#6. Re: [E36M3] 96+ Spark Plugs - from Rex Tener
#7. RE: [E36M3] Euro HFM and 540i HFM - from Ron Buchalski
#8. Euro Oil Cooler Questions - from Riley, Scott
#9. Re: [E36M3] Euro HFM and Injectors - from Matt Henson
#10. RE: [E36M3] Euro HFM and 540i HFM - from Jeremy Warfield

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#1. 96+ Spark Plugs - from Rex Tener
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:35:14 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: 96+ Spark Plugs The plug BMW has listed for the '96+ M3's is the Bosch FGR 8 KQC. On Bosch's web site, they list the 4303 (Plat +2) and the 4417 (Plat +4). Are these all equivalent and I can use any of them, or should I go track down the FGR 8 KQC plug? Thanks, -- Rex Tener rex_tener@yahoo.com

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#2. Re: [E36M3] 96+ Spark Plugs - from Andrej Dolenc
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:22:04 -0500 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 96+ Spark Plugs Rex Tener writes: > The plug BMW has listed for the '96+ M3's is the Bosch FGR 8 KQC. On > Bosch's web site, they list the 4303 (Plat +2) and the 4417 (Plat +4). Are > these all equivalent and I can use any of them, or should I go track down > the FGR 8 KQC plug? I was under the impression that BMW's and platinum plug's didn't make a good combination. I've always used the FGR 8 KQC plugs since that's what I pulled out of the engine the first time I did a plug change. Andrej '97 M3

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#3. Re: [E36M3] 96+ Spark Plugs - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:50:15 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 96+ Spark Plugs At 12:13 PM 8/29/02, Rex Tener wrote: >The plug BMW has listed for the '96+ M3's is the Bosch FGR 8 KQC. On >Bosch's web site, they list the 4303 (Plat +2) and the 4417 (Plat >+4). Are these all equivalent and I can use any of them, or should I go >track down the FGR 8 KQC plug? I've always used the FGR's and not had a problem. Some on Bimmerforums have had issues and used an NGK plugs with good success (you'll have to do a search to find out which plug, I don't recall). Just about any BMW retailer (BMP, BavAuto, dealer, etc) should have the FGR 8 KQC plugs. I think I bought my last set from BMP. Jim Bassett

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#4. Questions about brakes - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:18:31 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Questions about brakes Paul said > > But, dont forget that German pads are mandated to contain Graphite Carl asks > >> We're sure this is a fact? Why? >> Is this instead of something else, or is Germany a graphite producer? As Marisa Tomei says in My Cousin Vinny. "That's a fact Jack!" TUV pads are mandated to have graphite (e.g., Pagid, Jurid, Textar, etc.). I don't recall the reason though. Any know the reason? >> By the time my wheels look bad the whole car needs a wash anyway. That is for sure, especially Cosmos Black. >> I think the stock Jurids work great, I'll keep them for the street. >> PF 97s for the track though. Sound choices it seems and I agree. Regards, Rich

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#5. Euro HFM and Injectors - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:10:50 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Euro HFM and Injectors Hi Matt, >>If the engine starts to detonate then it will retard timing, which will increase the EGT. << Why does retarding the timing lead to increased EGTs? I was aware that lean mixtures lead to increased EGTs but not that retarded timing does. Thanks. Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; < 45K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Water/Methanol Injection; Fikse FM-10s; X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio

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#6. Re: [E36M3] 96+ Spark Plugs - from Rex Tener
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:14:51 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 96+ Spark Plugs At 03:22 PM 8/29/2002 -0500, Andrej Dolenc wrote: >Rex Tener writes: > > The plug BMW has listed for the '96+ M3's is the Bosch FGR 8 KQC. On > > Bosch's web site, they list the 4303 (Plat +2) and the 4417 (Plat > +4). Are > > these all equivalent and I can use any of them, or should I go track down > > the FGR 8 KQC plug? > >I was under the impression that BMW's and platinum plug's didn't make a good >combination. I've always used the FGR 8 KQC plugs since that's what I pulled >out of the engine the first time I did a plug change. Yeah, I now remember hearing that about BMW's and platinum plug's. In my '95 M3, I ran the stock Bosch plug F7LDCR, so I am going to track down the FGR 8 KQC for the '96. Thanks Andrej and Jim for the quick responses! -- Rex Tener rex_tener@yahoo.com

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#7. RE: [E36M3] Euro HFM and 540i HFM - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:38:31 -0400 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Euro HFM and 540i HFM >Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:30:22 -0400 >From: "Jeremy Warfield" <jww95@earthlink.net> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] Euro HFM and 540i HFM > > >>> >Many say the stock 17lb injectors are under max load at high RPM with >the Euro HFM/Intake combo. I suggest upgrading your injectors when you >get the cams as well as a new chip for the intake/euro HFM/cam combo. ><<< > >With either route you go, you will be committed to purchase two different >chips. One with the euroHFM, and another for the cams, so the injectors >can >be added at either time. I would suggest installing the 24#/hr injectors >with the HFM upgrade. My car was down on power, especially low end, with >the installation of the larger meter while running the stock injectors. > >I am now running the ECIS EuroHFM Intake with Conforti's chip and the >24#/hr >injectors, and could not be more pleased. Okay maybe a lightweight >flywheel, but in all seriousness, this intake and injector setup is great. >The bottom end is back, and the power band is smooth all the way to 7k rpm. > >Jeremy- Has anyone found a way to recalibrate the OBC to accurately report fuel consumption with the 24#/hr injectors? -rb _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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#8. Euro Oil Cooler Questions - from Riley, Scott
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:08:51 -0500 From: "Riley, Scott" <sriley@cardinalcapital.com> Subject: Euro Oil Cooler Questions I've installed a number of LTW items (dual pickup oil pan, euro oil cooler, etc.) on my '95 M3. I am still experiencing high oil temps (280-290) during extended sessions on the tracks here in Texas. It appears that the location of the euro oil cooler (mounted to the underside of the radiator) doesn't get a tremendous amount of airflow. On the E36 M3, the bottom of the radiator lines up with the bottom of the lower spoiler grill/intake. Therefore, when the euro oil cooler is mounted under the radiator, the airflow is weak at best. When I was searching through the ETK (Parts CD) earlier today, I noticed the following part: 17 21 2 227 344 Air Duct. It appears to be a plastic air duct that channels air to the euro oil cooler. Maybe mounted behind the grill above the splitter hardware. I wanted to see if anyone was familiar with this part, how it was installed and whether it will work. A friend of mine also suggested that I buy some lightweight aluminum flashing and fabricate a duct/channel that would provide some airflow to the oil cooler. TIA, Scott Riley '95 M3 I-Stock

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Euro HFM and Injectors - from Matt Henson
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:27:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Henson <hensonator@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Euro HFM and Injectors --- Paul Elliott <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > >>If the engine starts to > detonate then it will retard timing, which will > increase the EGT. << > > Why does retarding the timing lead to increased > EGTs? I was aware that lean > mixtures lead to increased EGTs but not that > retarded timing does. Thanks. > > Paul Elliott If you retard timing, you delay the time at which the burn starts. This also delays the time at which it stops. So there will either be less time after the burn is complete before the exhaust valve opens or, in the case where the burn does not end before the exhaust valve opens, there will be more unburnt fuel exiting the chamber and into the exhaust. Both of these increase EGT far more than what you get from leaning out the mixture. Extreme timing retard is commonly used in racing turbo engines (Rally) between shifts. You keep your foot on the gas and retard the timing. This dumps a ton of fire into the exhaust and gets the turbine hopping. In most cases, the turbine speed will actually increase between shifts. In a normal street car you lose some turbine revs, causing some turbo lag when you shift. Of course, this isn't very good for anything so you have to tear it down after every race. I wonder if they can do something similar off the line during the launch. Hmm.. -Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

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#10. RE: [E36M3] Euro HFM and 540i HFM - from Jeremy Warfield
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:35:24 -0400 From: "Jeremy Warfield" <jww95@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Euro HFM and 540i HFM >>> Has anyone found a way to recalibrate the OBC to accurately report fuel consumption with the 24#/hr injectors? -rb >>> Ron, The highest correction factor you can enter is 1250 (original setting is 1000), and by making a switch to 24lb/hr from 17, the factor needs to be over 1400. You really can't get very close. So right now my obc reads around 27mpg when actual gas mileage is 21 or so. later jeremy-

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