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#1. Re: [E36M3] BMW stuff - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:06:20 -0700 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] BMW stuff > This URL sent to me by a Lotus friend. It's a bit odd for an = > advertisement! It's just sad that someone had so much time on their hands that they made this. Guess this is what happens when you get laid off from work and have nothing better to do. ;-) BMW is breaking new ground with their design, trying to reach out to a new generation of car buyers. I think the new Z is amazingly beautiful, the 7 has a presence that the old car never had (although the trunk does feel slapped-on), and the Z9 concept that will eventually manifest itself in the new 5 and 6 is daring and amazingly more sporty than the sausage-design of the current cars. At some point, every "look" dies. BMW has been making cars that look like the current line for far too long, and they need something new to build excitement. They'll make mistakes, and put out looks that are far from perfect, just as they did in the past (the 1600 touring, anyone?). But the name of the game is evolve or die, and there's no room in the world for dinosaurs who refuse to move on. Design is a subjective thing --- everyone is entitled to vote with their wallets. I know that I'll buy the new cars, and I'll be excited that they're taking risks instead of selling "sausages in 3 different lengths". Just my $0.02. -peterg '95 M3 (little cayenne sausage) '03 Z4 3.0l?
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Advice - Shipping car - from Jay W. Hudson
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 06:28:49 -0700 From: "Jay W. Hudson" <jwhud@cdsnet.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Advice - Shipping car >Hi All- > > Anyone out there ever used an auto shipping service? I may be shipping a car cross country and I wanted to know who to call, who NOT to call. > >TIA > >Jon Most moving companies will ship a car in an enclosed van. I used United from NJ to OR. Cost about $1100-1200 in 1996. Jay
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#3. Re: WTB: Used 17" Hoosiers or other R's - from Riley, Scott
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 08:28:52 -0500 From: "Riley, Scott" <sriley@cardinalcapital.com> Subject: Re: WTB: Used 17" Hoosiers or other R's Rob, I have six (10) A3SO3 (autocross) 245/40-17 tires for sale. Given that I have decided to pursue BMW club racing, I just don't have the time to effectively compete in autocross anymore. The remaining tread lives on these tires vary somewhat. Using my trusty Snap-On tread gauge, I have attempted to measure the tread depths with 3 measurements (Inside, Middle, Outside) taken for each tire. Keep in mind that these tires can be used on either side of the car to even out tire wear, as stated by Tire Rack in an excerpt from their website below: "The R3S03 and A3S03 tires feature an asymmetric tread design (which looks directional, but isn't) and can be used on either side of the car. They are molded with a tread depth of just 4/32" so they will not require shaving for competition, however they will benefit from heat cycling before competition to enhance wear and provide more consistent performance." All of these tires were heat-cycled and started at 4/32". Tire 1: 3.5/32, 3/32, 3/32. Price: $125. 2: 3.5, 3, 3. Price: $125. 3: 3, 2.5, 2. Price: $100. 4: 2.5, 3.5, 2. Price: $100. 5: 1.5, 2, 3. Price: $75. 6: 3.5, 3, 1.5. Price: $75. Close-up photos of each tire available upon request. I have factory Hoosiers shipping boxes available. For shipping estimates, I live in Dallas, Texas (75225). Please email me with any questions or comments. Scott Riley
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#4. Re: [E36M3] BMW stuff - from Jesus Beltran
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 06:45:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesus Beltran <elzumpango@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] BMW stuff Yea - I didn't think much of the 'new look' when i saw the pics but I'm starting to like them. I just got a glimpse of the new Z4 in person today and let me just say, it looks stunning. Of course, that's what I thought when I first saw the Z3 but.... basically, the Z4 looks A LOT better in person than it does in the pics that I've seen. --- Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> wrote: > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:06:20 -0700 > From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] BMW stuff > > > This URL sent to me by a Lotus friend. It's a bit > odd for an = > > advertisement! > > It's just sad that someone had so much time on their > hands that they made > this. Guess this is what happens when you get laid > off from work and have > nothing better to do. ;-) > > BMW is breaking new ground with their design, trying > to reach out to a new > generation of car buyers. I think the new Z is > amazingly beautiful, the 7 > has a presence that the old car never had (although > the trunk does feel > slapped-on), and the Z9 concept that will eventually > manifest itself in the > new 5 and 6 is daring and amazingly more sporty than > the sausage-design of > the current cars. > > At some point, every "look" dies. BMW has been > making cars that look like > the current line for far too long, and they need > something new to build > excitement. They'll make mistakes, and put out looks > that are far from > perfect, just as they did in the past (the 1600 > touring, anyone?). But the > name of the game is evolve or die, and there's no > room in the world for > dinosaurs who refuse to move on. > > Design is a subjective thing --- everyone is > entitled to vote with their > wallets. I know that I'll buy the new cars, and I'll > be excited that they're > taking risks instead of selling "sausages in 3 > different lengths". > > Just my $0.02. > > -peterg > '95 M3 (little cayenne sausage) > '03 Z4 3.0l? > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message to the email address > e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
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#5. Re: [E36M3] BMW Stuff - from Boen168@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:39:01 EDT From: Boen168@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] BMW Stuff Joe, I also received this from one of the BMW CCA heads a couple of weeks back with a note saying that BMW NA is aware of this prankster ad! Best regards, David In a message dated 9/28/02 11:16:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, e36m3@bmw-m.net writes: > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 13:15:32 -0700 > From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@attbi.com> > Subject: BMW stuff > > > This URL sent to me by a Lotus friend. It's a bit odd for an = > advertisement! > > Joe > > http://www.people.virginia.edu/~srs2z/newbmwcom.swf > > >
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#6. car stereo question - from russell
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: russell <driver8m3@yahoo.com> Subject: car stereo question anyone know a good place (cheap prices) to buy car audio equipment on the web? i'm considering the sony MEX1HD, which has a 10 gig hard-drive for recording cds. i know about crutchfield, but their prices seem a bit high (they were $200 higer than even circuit city). thanks, russell ===== "the state is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else" --frederic bastiat __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
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#7. RE: [E36M3] BMW stuff - from Juan Rico
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:33:09 -0700 From: Juan Rico <juan_rico@captionsinc.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] BMW stuff At some point, every "look" dies. BMW has been making cars that look like the current line for far too long, and they need something new to build excitement. Well, although I don't disagree with you, some manufacturers like MERCEDES come up with stunning new designs like the 500 SL which I and many others *immediately like*. The Z4 looks like an aborted fetus in my opinion... I look at Mercedes' and Audi's new designs and I see-- (top model of your choice here...) I see BMW's new designs and I see Rosie O'Donnell. Cars that grow on you over time are not *love at first sight* affairs, and being car enthusiasts as we all are, that initial rush and excitement we all feel when we first see a car and we know we *want* one is crucial and what being passionate about cars is all about. That's precisely what I felt when I saw an e30, E36 and E46 M3 for the first time. My life was never the same after that ;) I just don't feel that with these new BMW's. After all, would you marry a woman who at first glance struck you as ugly...? And as subjective as that may be, you'll be hard pressed to find a large dissenting group of people *young or old* who think the new 500 SL, for example, is an aberration on four wheels. You'll find plenty of people, however, *young and old*, criticizing BMW's most recent design endeavors... I am not a kid, but I'm certainly not old. So, yes, I do want something new and exciting, but I also want something that pleases me visually. What I can't seem to understand is why every manufacturer (Jeez, even Toyota...) can come up with designs that are groundbreaking and that I like and BMW in an ill-guided and clumsy effort to be *different* and *cool* is coming up with butt-ugly cars... There is a way to evolve in an aesthetically pleasing manner. Humans did it, so should BMW. Juan. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Guagenti [mailto:peter@guagenti.com] Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:10 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] BMW stuff Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:06:20 -0700 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] BMW stuff > This URL sent to me by a Lotus friend. It's a bit odd for an = > advertisement! It's just sad that someone had so much time on their hands that they made this. Guess this is what happens when you get laid off from work and have nothing better to do. ;-) BMW is breaking new ground with their design, trying to reach out to a new generation of car buyers. I think the new Z is amazingly beautiful, the 7 has a presence that the old car never had (although the trunk does feel slapped-on), and the Z9 concept that will eventually manifest itself in the new 5 and 6 is daring and amazingly more sporty than the sausage-design of the current cars. At some point, every "look" dies. BMW has been making cars that look like the current line for far too long, and they need something new to build excitement. They'll make mistakes, and put out looks that are far from perfect, just as they did in the past (the 1600 touring, anyone?). But the name of the game is evolve or die, and there's no room in the world for dinosaurs who refuse to move on. Design is a subjective thing --- everyone is entitled to vote with their wallets. I know that I'll buy the new cars, and I'll be excited that they're taking risks instead of selling "sausages in 3 different lengths". Just my $0.02. -peterg '95 M3 (little cayenne sausage) '03 Z4 3.0l? ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************
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#8. Look at an E36M3 in Tampa, FL - from marc@plante.com
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:44:30 -0700 (PDT) From: marc@plante.com Subject: Look at an E36M3 in Tampa, FL I'm looking at possibly purchasing an e36M3 in Tampa. Is there anyone in the area that could look at the car or recommend an independent shop to give it a prepurchase inspection? Thanks Marc Plante E36 325i, 207k Vienna, VA
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#9. 350Z new bad boy in BS - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:50:38 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: 350Z new bad boy in BS Group, Last Sunday I had a chance to observe a new Nissan 350Z in autox action. Awesome, is all I can say. The car was in the hands of a very good driver from the NNJ SCCA region. He was close to FTD on street tires no less and the car was not the track prepared version! This car could be quicker than the Honda S2000's or the Boxster. Just too tough a class for the e36M3's anymore :-( Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion 1997 & 2000 BSP Champion 2001
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#10. RE: [E36M3] BMW stuff - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:11:11 -0700 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] BMW stuff I don't usually add to these discussions, but BMW's current styling is so bad IMHO that I will this time. The only designs coming out of the current BMW production that I like are the Z8, the Mini, and the E46 (especially the convertible). The rest are ... well ... I certainly don't want one. They are styled for styling's sake, for the designer's ego, not for good looks. BMW has had a few truly great body styles in the past -- I wonder how long before the next one. And to their credit, BMW is not alone in the styling-deficient department. Plenty of other automakers are putting out some pretty pathetic, over-hyped designs. I think the worst part of today's styling is that many cars get several views right, but not all. The Boxster has a great 3/4-rear and rear view (think "haunches"), and an OK side view (way too much front overhang), but the front is a styling disaster. Same comments go for the Z3. The new 350Z looks great from a few angles and in a few colors (but not silver -- yech!), but up close it looks totally plastic-Barbie(R)-car-cheezy. WTF? Find a car that is right from every angle -- a Ferrari Lusso, an Alfa Guilia, an XKE, a McLaren F1 to see what I mean. Heck, even a VW Bug (the original) has a design that works beautifully as a whole. I suspect there's too much emphasis on committee approval and not enough on one designer's mission. And that is odd, because nowadays it should be easier to do limited runs of cars on standardized platforms. Oh well, my $.02. -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com