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#1. RE: [E36M3] First Time at the Glen - from Carey Probst
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 07:53:27 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@nycap.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] First Time at the Glen Mo, Unless you really want to spend the money on euro rotors, give them time. Every time I drive the Glen I come home with what feels like warped rotors but is really just pad buildup. My procedure is to brake lightly and occasionally ride the brake with power to the wheels to polish them and remove the build up. Usually back to being smooth in about a week without having to replace the rotors. This is with stock pads. Same thing happened to my son this year and the same procedure worked for him. Of course, if you are looking for an excuse to get floating rotors ignore the above. Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters JC CAIed and Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. -----Original Message----- From: Mo Karamat [mailto:karamatm@optonline.net] I did warp my rotors at the Silverback car control course. This was a company that set up a course in one of the lots. The purpose of the course was to learn how to better understand what your car is telling you. One of the exercises involved locking up the brakes to test your ABS.. Well I guess I went a little overboard. (Full throttle in, and HARD STOP!) Well in my next session on the track, when I applied my brakes, the wheel starting shaking like crazy. Oh well, this gives me an excuse to buy the Euro floating rotors next season.
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Squeaky door - from Jay W. Hudson
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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 05:55:59 -0700 From: "Jay W. Hudson" <jwhud@cdsnet.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Squeaky door At 03:20 PM 9/30/02 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:15:17 -0700 >From: "Chris Sautter" <chriss@fioriinc.com> >Subject: Squeaky door > >My front passenger door has gotten really squeaky over the past couple months. When I drive on rough roads it gets really loud. It doesn't appear to be a misadjustment of the latch. It's definitely a squeak and not a rattle. I think it's the door, but am not sure. Any suggestions on what it might be? > >-Chris Sautter >'98 ///M3-4 >chriss@fioriinc.com > You could try some gumi-pflege (sp?) around the door gasket. Jay
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Easter Eggs? - from Jay W. Hudson
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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 06:04:22 -0700 From: "Jay W. Hudson" <jwhud@cdsnet.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Easter Eggs? > I had never heard this term used before. Judging from the context of its >use, I gather the term refers to added, hidden or little known, usually >electronic 'baubles' or little addons, that are unknown to most of the >world, but, for those in the know, can be a delight. I read about one such >thing , which might qualify as an Easter Egg, although, for the life of me, >I cant remember how to trigger it! > >Maybe one of you guys will remember. Anyway, in an OBDII M3, there was a >way to make the ASC light default to ON, so that it will normally assume the >OFF position. Not only do I not remember how to trigger it, but I cant even >remember if it defaulted to Off in a way that actually survived engine turn >off, or, instead, was only active UNTIL you turned the engine off, where it >would revert back to its stock behavior. > >Anybody heard of this one, and can fill in the details? > >Paul Elliott >--------------------------------------------------------- >'99 White M3; 45-50K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: >11 psi; AA Aquamist Water/Methanol Injection; Fikse FM-10s; X-Brace; >Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, >JLAudio > Here's the link. http://www.jogger-egg.com/kbob/asc+t.html I added a toggle switch to the deal so I can set mine to default ON or default OFF. Works fine...lasts a long time! If the link doesn't work, get back to me and I'll write up the procedure for you. Jay
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#4. Re: [E36M3] min. floating rotor thickness? - from Jay W. Hudson
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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 06:07:25 -0700 From: "Jay W. Hudson" <jwhud@cdsnet.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] min. floating rotor thickness? >I decided to measure my front rotors (euro floaters) since they look >grooved, they have lived through 2.5 sets of factory pads and a number of >track days. One side is 26.60mm and the other side is 26.65mm. I have a >track day this week and I'm trying to decide weather to swap them out with a >fresh set I have sitting around. They are not warped or cracked but that >seems kinda thin since they started at something like 27.3mm. > >Does anyone know what the minimum rotor thickness is for the european >floating rotors? The Bentley manual lists 26.4mm or 0.977in for the M3 >front rotors. This in itself is strange since 26.4mm = 1.039. I'm inclined >to believe the mm. perhaps I should swap them. > >Juan Bruce >BMW CCA GGC >'85 M635CSi >'95 M3 If they're like mine, it's stamped right on the hat. Jay
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#5. Re: [E36M3] First Time at the Glen - from Gerald Low
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:18:04 -0400 From: "Gerald Low" <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] First Time at the Glen Mo, Good to meet Ahmed and yourself at The Glen. The brake shutter could be one of two things or the dreaded combination of the two. First, I believe that you were using PF90 or 97's. If so, you might be experiencing an incomplete bedding process where the pad material is not completely smeared on to the rotor. A new pad and rotor situation with PF's usually takes me 2 to 3 half hour sessions to completely bed in. Keep squeezing the brake pedal and complete the bedding in process on the street. Second situation is that the rotors may have warped because of insufficient cool down time after each exercises or track sessions. My guess is the former. Don't even think about the harnesses without a half cage. An old debate. I still feel that in the event of a rollover, your neck cannot hold your car up. How lucky do you feel? One simple solution is to make better use of your dead pedal. The other solution is to slow down. Gerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mo Karamat" <karamatm@optonline.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: [E36M3] First Time at the Glen > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:19:59 -0400 > From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> > Subject: First Time at the Glen > > Hey Everyone, > > I came back last night from my first DE at the Glen. WOW, what a track! > It was raining when I got the Watkins Glen, but I went over to the track > anyway. Some of the instructors were out on the track.. I found an > instructor who was going out (in an e30M3) and hitched a ride with him. It > was very impressive the speeds he was able to maintain, until he experienced > what I believe is called "trailing throttle over steer". We were moving > pretty fast when this happened, and it sent us spinning in some wonderful > circles around the track, somehow we stopped about a foot from one of the > steel fences. (on my side!) This was my first experience at the Glen! > Some introduction. Sat and Sun were a lot of fun as well. I had some > excellent instructors. Some of whom are on the list, and I want to thank. > Thanks Tom and Ahmed. I learned from the both of you! It was also very > nice to meet some other folks on the list as well. Gerry, and Dina. > Driving with the instructors (as a passenger) was an experience (Roller > coaster + learning interesting things about the "Line") They are all nuts! > (My kind of people!) The only thing that I did not like was how most of the > folks in my run group took a loooooong time to give pass signals.. Other > than that, the weather was excellent, and everyone was very nice. I did > warp my rotors at the Silverback car control course. This was a company > that set up a course in one of the lots. The purpose of the course was to > learn how to better understand what your car is telling you. One of the > exercises involved locking up the brakes to test your ABS.. Well I guess I > went a little overboard. (Full throttle in, and HARD STOP!) Well in my > next session on the track, when I applied my brakes, the wheel starting > shaking like crazy. Oh well, this gives me an excuse to buy the Euro > floating rotors next season. I also realized the value of harness belts. > When I was in my car, I was holding on to the wheel at times to keep myself > in place. When I was in a car with harnesses, it felt like I was a part of > the car. It was a great experience, I can't wait for the next event! > > Mo > > BTW.. I believe a Toyota Supra was wrecked, and some E30M3 went off of the > track... > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] min. floating rotor thickness? - from Gerald Low
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:20:32 -0400 From: "Gerald Low" <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] min. floating rotor thickness? Juan, If the rotors are straight, not cracked and above minimum thickness, I would run them. Gerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Bruce" <jbrucebmw@hotmail.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] min. floating rotor thickness? > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:44:27 -0700 > From: "Juan Bruce" <jbrucebmw@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] min. floating rotor thickness? > > As Geof points out it was starring me right in the face, stamped on the hat. > Sleep deprivation does wonders. > > Now the question is should I replace them anyway for running at the track? > > Juan > > > >From: Geof McLaughlin <gfmiiilist@attbi.com> > >To: "Juan Bruce" <jbrucebmw@hotmail.com>,E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > >Subject: Re: [E36M3] min. floating rotor thickness? > >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:33:27 -0400 > > > >26.4mm sounds right as regards minimum thickness and in fact should be > >stamped on the rotor itself on the "hat". > > > >Geof > > > >At 07:10 PM 9/30/02 -0500, Juan Bruce wrote: > >>Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:02:34 -0700 > >>From: "Juan Bruce" <jbrucebmw@hotmail.com> > >>Subject: min. floating rotor thickness? > >> > >>I decided to measure my front rotors (euro floaters) since they look > >>grooved, they have lived through 2.5 sets of factory pads and a number of > >>track days. One side is 26.60mm and the other side is 26.65mm. I have a > >>track day this week and I'm trying to decide weather to swap them out with > >>a fresh set I have sitting around. They are not warped or cracked but > >>that seems kinda thin since they started at something like 27.3mm. > >> > >>Does anyone know what the minimum rotor thickness is for the european > >>floating rotors? The Bentley manual lists 26.4mm or 0.977in for the M3 > >>front rotors. This in itself is strange since 26.4mm = 1.039. I'm > >>inclined to believe the mm. perhaps I should swap them. > >> > >>Juan Bruce > >>BMW CCA GGC > >>'85 M635CSi > >>'95 M3 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > >> > >> > >> > >>************************************************************* > >>List Commands > >>UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > >>DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > >>GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > >> > >>To issue a command/request to the server: > >>Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the > >>message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > >>************************************************************* > >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Keyless entry? - from David Ripton
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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 09:54:57 -0400 From: David Ripton <dripton@ripton.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Keyless entry? eevans@planetc.com wrote: > I was told that my '98 M3 had keyless entry, but was disconnected by the PO. Why would someone disconnect a working keyless entry system? > Does anyone know if it's the same module that I have in my '95 M3 > that hooks up in the back of the glove box? AFAIK all E36s (and Z3s) use the same factory keyless entry systems and alarms. Yes, the module still connects behind the glove box in a 1998 M3. -- David Ripton dripton@ripton.net
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#8. Re: [E36M3] M3 SMG II easter egg? - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:39:51 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3 SMG II easter egg? Bob, >>Well, I'm a diehard manual guy too! But, I must admit until I can = pursuade one of our newbies to let me drive their e46 SMG during an = autox I will have to reserve my opinion. This would allow me to left = foot brake and still shift at the same time...sounds very interesting = ;-))<< Even so and regardless, dont you think, as a 'diehard manual guy', that = youd miss the ability to feather the clutch as you see fit? Doesnt it = seem like no matter how flexible the electronic programs, youre still = going to have to subjugate some of that free will that manual shifting = allows you to enjoy to the predetermined shift programs the bmw = engineers have designed for you? Thats what Im most afraid of. = Regardless of how well implemented the SMG is, I cant help but associate = the feel of shifting that way to the way it feels when you manipulate a = 'manumatic' type shifter, which I absolutely HATE! =20 I have no problem with bmw offering an SMG, as a dynomite alternative. = But, to displace the manual stick shift entirely so that its not even = available just seems wrong on every level. Ok, so perhaps, by only = offering one transmission on M cars, BMW can save some money, I would = think that the loss of potential customers as a result would scare them = into doing the right thing. There's a long history of transmission = type, or lack of choice, forcing buyers into other makes of car. Why, = when they are already equipped and tooled up to offer choice in = something so basic, would they ever want to take it away? Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; 45-50K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank = pulley: 11 psi; AA Aquamist Water/Methanol Injection; Fikse FM-10s; = X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by = Polk, Excelon, JLAudio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mdriver13@aol.com=20 To: elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net ; e36m3@bmw-m.net=20 Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3 SMG II easter egg? In a message dated 9/30/02 10:22:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net writes:=20 Am I so=20 far behind the times that Id be in the minority in my preference for = at=20 least making sure a choice of a Stick shift continues to be = available??=20 Well, I'm a diehard manual guy too! But, I must admit until I can = pursuade one of our newbies to let me drive their e46 SMG during an = autox I will have to reserve my opinion. This would allow me to left = foot brake and still shift at the same time...sounds very interesting = ;-))=20 Bob Gill=20 97 ///M3 coupe=20 Philly Region SCCA=20 AS Champion 1997 & 2000=20 BSP Champion 2001=20
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#9. Suspension noise - from Mark Greer
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:46:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark Greer" <mark.greer@excite.com> Subject: Suspension noise I have replaced the struts & shocks with Bilstien Sports, but still have the stock springs.The dealer was supposed to check for any other worn suspension components and then align the car. On return from alignment I now hear a rattle or bumping sound [I think from the front] when I encounter expansion joints or small rapid bumps. IF this is related to the work I did, what is the most likely cause? The hat retaining nut appears tight.IF this is bushing or ball joint wear, can anyone describe the best setup to check it. Under full load & up in the air these components are still loaded to some degree; right? I really doubt if this noise is normal; although the car seems to handle pretty well. Other information, the car has 100,000 miles and brand new Yoko AVS tires. Thanks, Mark 1997 M3/4 ------------------------------------------------ Changed your e-mail? Keep your contacts! Use this free e-mail change of address service from Return Path. Register now!
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Suspension noise - from Robert Chay
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:01:49 -0400 From: "Robert Chay" <rchay@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Suspension noise Mark, Check your swaybar links. Tighten them and use loctite. -Bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Greer" <mark.greer@excite.com> > > > I have replaced the struts & shocks with Bilstien Sports, but still have the stock springs.The dealer was supposed to check for any other worn suspension components and then align the car. On return from alignment I now hear a rattle or bumping sound [I think from the front] when I encounter expansion joints or small rapid bumps. IF this is related to the work I did, what is the most likely cause? The hat retaining nut appears tight.IF this is bushing or ball joint wear, can anyone describe the best setup to check it. Under full load & up in the air these components are still loaded to some degree; right? I really doubt if this noise is normal; although the car seems to handle pretty well. Other information, the car has 100,000 miles and brand new Yoko AVS tires. Thanks, Mark 1997 M3/4 >