E36M3 #2646

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 14:51:25

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Suspension noise - from Robert Chay
#2. Re: My LTW is for sale - from James Clay
#3. RE: [E36M3] M3 SMG the only option? - from Jeff Thompson
#4. Re: [E36M3] Easter Eggs? - from Paul Elliott
#5. RE: [E36M3] M3 SMG the only option? - from Zack Steinkamp
#6. ASC - from russell
#7. Re: [E36M3] M3 SMG the only option? - from matthew c. mead
#8. Re: [E36M3] Keyless entry? - from Jim Bassett
#9. Re: [E36M3] My LTW is for sale - from Jim Bassett
#10. RE: [E36M3] My LTW is for sale - from Mel Silva

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Suspension noise - from Robert Chay
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:56:44 -0400 From: "Robert Chay" <rchay@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Suspension noise Loctite isn't Crazy Glue. It prevents the nut from loosening and causing the rattle problem. You can still take them off if you need to. -Bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Kelley" <d.kelley@usa.net> > > Loctite on the front swaybar links?????? Those puppy's have to be > able to move when you make adjustments to the front swaybar! >

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#2. Re:  My LTW is for sale - from James Clay
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:09:06 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: Re: My LTW is for sale >If you guys know anybody who might be looking for a good club racing candidate then this is the perfect car. The only thing it needs is a full cage and the interior taken out of it. Or have the ultimate Driver's School car. Seth Thomas www.m3ltw.com -------------------------- Don't be modest Seth - this isn't a beater car that we normally buy for race candidates. Seth's car is incredible, very well kept, all Euro parts installed factory correct. This is just generally the Ultimate E36 M3... James -------------------------------------------------------------------- James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com Engineered BMW Performance Genuine and OEM BMW Parts 540.639.9648 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Call or visit our website for special introductory pricing on Powerflex suspension bushings.

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#3. RE: [E36M3] M3 SMG the only option? - from Jeff Thompson
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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:23:03 -0400 From: Jeff Thompson <jthompson@telco.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] M3 SMG the only option? Mel, That depends on the SMG, and possibly what mode it is in. A sequential manual can be built in many different ways, and this one is just a conventional manual transmission with hydraulic actuation of the clutch and selector. The SMG in an E46 is the same ZF tranny, just with a bunch of selector-moving hardware hung off of it. Either way, the amount of logic you can put into the SMG is simply a function of how much info from other systems you want to integrate into it. Most SMG systems can be run in an automatic mode, which just upshifts for you whenever the sensors involved (probably a TPS, spedo, and tach) tell it to. Since the ECU of a modern car is pretty powerful, the math involved for it to calculate a rev-matched downshift is also trivial. IIRC, the SMG in a Ferrari F355 F-1 (for example) has 4 modes. "Automatic" where you can not worry about anything except steering, "Normal" always upshifts at redline and won't let you downshift into an over-rev, "Sport" will do what you tell it regardless (5th to 1st ? sure!), and "Snow" is automatic that starts in 2nd gear and shifts out at lower RPM to decrease torque. (Who would drive their Ferrari in the snow is beyond me). The only sequential shifters I have ever driven personally have been on motorcycles and shifter karts. Those I found to be a lot of fun, but paddle shifters don't seem like fun. How many times have you been playing GT3 on the PS2 and just kept smacking L1 until you're in first at 200mph? All you need is one dirty switch contact and a "Sport" mode, and there's your over-rev again. Personally, I think a mechanical SMG would be really cool, but all the hydraulic and electronic crap is just more expensive stuff to break. If I ever get the E46, I'll row through the gears myself. If I could get rid of the drive-by-wire throttle, it would be perfect. :) Later, -jeff >-------------------- 9 -------------------- >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:55:49 -0500 >From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] M3 SMG the only option? > >First, I agree with you Paul, let's get that out of the way. However (as in >BIG BUT), I can see one (uno, eins, un) real advantage to the SMG that we >were all witness to on Monday. This particular problem would go away, I >think, unless I don't understand SMG. What am I talking about, you ask. I >think the quote was "High Dollar Down Shift"... > >Mel > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Elliott [mailto:elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net] >Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:40 AM >To: E36M3 >Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3 SMG II easter egg? > > >

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Easter Eggs? - from Paul Elliott
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:17:43 -0400 From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Easter Eggs? Yea, I kind of like the way mine works...I mean, it intervenes before the serious, ie, dangerous, wheel slip begins, but it allows me a fair amount before it engages. Paul Elliott --------------------------------------------------------- '99 White M3; 45-50K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit with 6" RMS crank pulley: 11 psi; AA Aquamist Water/Methanol Injection; Fikse FM-10s; X-Brace; Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; Sound by Polk, Excelon, JLAudio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Knight" <knight2244@yahoo.com> To: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net>; "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Easter Eggs? > Mine seems to kick in at even the slightest hint that > there will be wheel slippage. For instance, on an off > camber freeway entrance if I have too much throttle I > will lose some power. I also experienced this on the > track, although I have been given endless grief by > friends for not disabling this feature. (First time > on the track, concerned about pulling a rookie > maneuver and breaking my car). So unless I'm > mistaking asc for something else, sounds like your is > more fun. > > --- Paul Elliott <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> > wrote: > > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:58:58 -0400 > > From: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Easter Eggs? > > > > I dont know if its because I have installed 245s on > > 8.5s all around or not, > > but my asc doesnt even engage now until I get a good > > amount of wheel spin. > > For instance, shifting to second, I can get a good > > amount of wheel chirp > > without the asc being triggered. Even from a dead > > stop, unless Im spinning > > for over a second, it seems, the asc will not > > engage. Its almost like its > > got an intentional power start mode. How do other > > guys asc work? ie, do > > you guys find that its an instant on as soon as you > > perceive the slightest > > wheel slip, or, does it feel, like mine, that > > there's like a 'power mode' > > built into it? And, I wonder how much the 4 x 245s > > have to do with it, if > > anything. > > > > thanks. > > > > Paul Elliott > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > '99 White M3; 45-50K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit > > with 6" RMS crank pulley: > > 11 psi; AA Aquamist Water/Methanol Injection; > > Fikse FM-10s; X-Brace; > > Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch Stop; > > Sound by Polk, Excelon, > > JLAudio > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jay W. Hudson" <jwhud@cdsnet.net> > > To: "Paul Elliott" <elliott.paul@worldnet.att.net> > > Cc: "'E36M3'" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Easter Eggs? > > > > > > > > I had never heard this term used before. > > Judging from the context of > > its > > > >use, I gather the term refers to added, hidden or > > little known, usually > > > >electronic 'baubles' or little addons, that are > > unknown to most of the > > > >world, but, for those in the know, can be a > > delight. I read about one > > such > > > >thing , which might qualify as an Easter Egg, > > although, for the life of > > me, > > > >I cant remember how to trigger it! > > > > > > > >Maybe one of you guys will remember. Anyway, in > > an OBDII M3, there was a > > > >way to make the ASC light default to ON, so that > > it will normally assume > > the > > > >OFF position. Not only do I not remember how to > > trigger it, but I cant > > even > > > >remember if it defaulted to Off in a way that > > actually survived engine > > turn > > > >off, or, instead, was only active UNTIL you > > turned the engine off, where > > it > > > >would revert back to its stock behavior. > > > > > > > >Anybody heard of this one, and can fill in the > > details? > > > > > > > >Paul Elliott > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------- > > > >'99 White M3; 45-50K miles; Dinan stage II SC kit > > with 6" RMS crank > > pulley: > > > >11 psi; AA Aquamist Water/Methanol Injection; > > Fikse FM-10s; X-Brace; > > > >Dinan Koni Suspension; Stygar SS and Clutch > > Stop; Sound by Polk, > > Excelon, > > > >JLAudio > > > > > > > Here's the link. > > http://www.jogger-egg.com/kbob/asc+t.html > > > > > > I added a toggle switch to the deal so I can set > > mine to default ON or > > > default OFF. Works fine...lasts a long time! > > > > > > If the link doesn't work, get back to me and I'll > > write up the procedure > > > for you. > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > List Commands > > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > > from the mailing list. > > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > > list's GET directory. > > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > > requested file(s). > > > > To issue a command/request to the server: > > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > > the > > subject of the message to the email address > > e36m3@bmw-m.net. > > > ************************************************************* > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Yahoo! - We Remember > 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost > http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute >

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#5. RE: [E36M3] M3 SMG the only option? - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:34:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] M3 SMG the only option? hey -- how about the Ultimate Compromise for our Ultimate Driving Machines? i'm thinking the SMG but with a clutch pedal! so the gear selection is push-pull sequential style to alleviate the money shift problem, and a real pedal to keep the clutch- and declutchers happy! the gears are turning... zs

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#6. ASC - from russell
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: russell <driver8m3@yahoo.com> Subject: ASC Mine kicks in at the slightest hint of wheelspin. In fact, it will even engage WITHOUT wheelspin on hard, drag-racing like starts. I often felt in kick in when racing at stoplights, but never knew what it was...until I stated turning it off! Just before the shift into second gear, I would get a "pause," which I used to think was related to low fuel or something similar. Since turning ASC off, it's never happened again. Russell dakar 99 PS-3 months after a $1100 raccoon-damage repair, I hit a large piece of tire tread today that recreated much of the raccoon induced damage (both fogs gone, mesh piece smashed, fan smashed, underbelly damage....) ===== "the state is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else" --frederic bastiat __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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#7. Re: [E36M3] M3 SMG the only option? - from matthew c. mead
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:55:49 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" <mmead-bmw@goof.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3 SMG the only option? On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 11:00:21AM -0500, Mel Silva wrote: > First, I agree with you Paul, let's get that out of the way. However (as in > BIG BUT), I can see one (uno, eins, un) real advantage to the SMG that we > were all witness to on Monday. This particular problem would go away, I > think, unless I don't understand SMG. What am I talking about, you ask. I > think the quote was "High Dollar Down Shift"... It is also a great solution for retaining a high performance and acommodating someone with a physical disability that prevents them from driving a manual. -matt -- matthew c. mead 97 Dakar M3/4 - sharked, xbraced 97 White GS-R/4 - stock (wife's) 92 Black Miata - dropped, dampened, headed towards SM http://www.goof.com/~mmead/

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Keyless entry? - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 12:00:01 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Keyless entry? At 07:00 AM 10/1/02, David Ripton wrote: >AFAIK all E36s (and Z3s) use the same factory keyless entry systems and >alarms. Not sure about that. The '95 & earlier cars used a different alarm/entry system compared to the '96 & later, IIRC. At least, the '93 325is (and other '95's I've been around) used a different alarm remote than my previous '96 328is. (The '98 M3 has a non-factory alarm/keyless entry.) Jim Bassett

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#9. Re: [E36M3] My LTW is for sale - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 12:22:17 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] My LTW is for sale At 08:50 AM 10/1/02, Seth Thomas wrote: >Guys I hate to do it but it is time for me to grow up and accept my >adulthood responsibilities. What?!? >Not really it is time to build an ITS car. Oh, whew, I was concerned there for a minute <g>. >My >LTW is now for sale. Here are the details on it. [snip] Wow, sounds like a wonderful car Seth. Hope you find a worthy buyer. Jim - who acts less like an adult since his son was born <bg>

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#10. RE: [E36M3] My LTW is for sale - from Mel Silva
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:48:19 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] My LTW is for sale Heh! I think I am WORTHY. Can I afford it is an entirely separate question... Here's hoping that Seth finds a worthy buyer that can pay him extra for his efforts. Mel -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jimbassett@attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 2:30 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] My LTW is for sale Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 12:22:17 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] My LTW is for sale At 08:50 AM 10/1/02, Seth Thomas wrote: >Guys I hate to do it but it is time for me to grow up and accept my >adulthood responsibilities. What?!? >Not really it is time to build an ITS car. Oh, whew, I was concerned there for a minute <g>. >My >LTW is now for sale. Here are the details on it. [snip] Wow, sounds like a wonderful car Seth. Hope you find a worthy buyer. Jim - who acts less like an adult since his son was born <bg>

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