E36M3 #2650

Wednesday, October 02, 2002 14:20:47

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#1. Re: [E36M3] ABS Fuse - from Andrew E. Kalman
#2. Re: [E36M3] JTD Aluminum Undertray panel - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
#3. Insurance - from Patrick Dargan
#4. Re: [E36M3] Insurance - from DocWyte
#5. Lost alarm FOB - from Dan Bocek
#6. Re: [E36M3] Insurance - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
#7. Re: [E36M3] JTD Aluminum Undertray panel - from Jim Bassett
#8. Re: [E36M3] Insurance - from Jim Bassett
#9. Re: [E36M3] Insurance - from matthew c. mead
#10. Re: [E36M3] Insurance - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
#11. RE: [E36M3] Insurance - from Carey Probst

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#1. Re: [E36M3] ABS Fuse - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:55:12 -0700 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] ABS Fuse Re: >Which fuse do you guys pull to disable the ABS for track use? > >Bentley shows 3 that seem to be relevant: >- F38 that supplies + voltage to the ABS pump unit >- F21 that supplies + voltage to the ABS relay coil >- F10 that supplies + voltage to the ABS relay contacts. > >Or do you pull the relay - not that I have a clue where it is. I use a rocker switch that interrupts power to the ABS relay. I'm pretty sure it was F21. IIRC, the relay (K10) is in the main fuse box in the engine compartment. I routed wires from there to the little cutouts next to the cigarette lighter and put the rocker switch in one of those tiny panels. >I'm hoping/assuming that whatever the answer is, a fault code that requires >dealer intervention won't be set...? No, at least it doesn't happen in my case -- the ABS light comes on when I turn it off, and extinguishes once I turn it back on AND I turn the car off, then on again ... So, my vote is for pulling F21. -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com

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#2. Re: [E36M3] JTD Aluminum Undertray panel - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:10:41 -0500 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] JTD Aluminum Undertray panel Rob Verenna <rob@willraceforbeer.com> wrote: > > I know this is an M3 part (ObM3Content), but I know many of you also > have other E36 cars... would this panel fit a 325i? I want something > sturdy as this is for a race car and I don't want stuff going through > my radiator - factory plastic ain't gonna cut it. And the less fab > work I have to do at this point, the better. Rob, AFAIK the JTD shield is only certified to work on 2 and 4-door E36M3s. Testing and if necessary trimming the fit to make it work on E36 non-M3 is a pet project of mine since I'm tired of swapping pork chops on my wife's 328i. Alas, life and work are temporarily getting in the way of this project and there is no firm ETA on the results. alex f

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#3. Insurance - from Patrick Dargan
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:18:33 -0400 From: "Patrick Dargan" <darg01@earthlink.net> Subject: Insurance Definitions for exclusions in my policy (USAA) have been changed to read: "...Driving contest or challenge includes, but is not limited to: 1- A competition against other people, vehicles, or time or 2- An activity that challenges the speed or handling characteristics of a vehicle or improves or demonstrates driving skills, provided the activity occurs on a track or course that is closed from non-participants..." Well, sounds like that specifically means Driving Schools, Autocrosses, Car Control Clinics, etc. They are specifically excluding activities that improve driving skills. Go figure. I wonder about lapping days?

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Insurance - from DocWyte
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:37:50 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Insurance I have USAA as well. And yes, lapping days are excluded. They're protecting themselves from risk. The fact of the matter is when you're hammering around a race track, there's more of a chance for you to lose it and hit an armco. Accidents do (occasionally) happen at auto-x as well. It could be argued that it's safer to drive at a track school than on the street, but from the ins co point of view, if something happens on the street the other guys ins co may cover it. If something happens on the track, they're on the hook for it... If you tell USAA that you're doing one of those activities, they'll refuse to issue a policy for the car... -josh --- Patrick Dargan <darg01@earthlink.net> wrote: > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:18:33 -0400 > From: "Patrick Dargan" <darg01@earthlink.net> > Subject: Insurance > > > > Definitions for exclusions in my policy (USAA) have > been changed to read: > > "...Driving contest or challenge includes, but is > not limited to: > > 1- A competition against other people, vehicles, or > time or > > 2- An activity that challenges the speed or handling > characteristics of a > vehicle or improves or demonstrates driving skills, > provided the activity > occurs on a track or course that is closed from > non-participants..." > > Well, sounds like that specifically means Driving > Schools, Autocrosses, Car > Control Clinics, etc. > > They are specifically excluding activities that > improve driving skills. Go > figure. > > I wonder about lapping days? > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you > from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the > list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the > requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as > the > subject of the message to the email address > e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > ===== Josh Wyte Momentum Motorsports 508-833-3024 After 5 pm EST __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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#5. Lost alarm FOB - from Dan Bocek
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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:43:18 -0700 From: Dan Bocek <dan@rasy.com> Subject: Lost alarm FOB I recently lost my factory keyless remote entry FOB for my 95 M3. Any of you who have been in a similar boat care to share your horror stories? What hoops do I need to jump through to get this replaced, and how much lighter will my wallet be when all is said and done? -Dano-

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Insurance - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:43:41 -0500 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Insurance Patrick, Thanks for the info. Sounds like USAA is joining the ranks of DE-hostile insurance companies. Doesn't matter to me - I am not a military man and they would not talk to me anyway. But anyone who is insured by USAA and wants to properly learn to drive their M3s (on track) would be well advised to shop for a better insurance company. alex f P.S.: Lapping days are obviously excluded in provision #2 unless the activity is taking place on public roads. "Patrick Dargan" <darg01@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Definitions for exclusions in my policy (USAA) have been changed to read: > > "...Driving contest or challenge includes, but is not limited to: > > 1- A competition against other people, vehicles, or time or > > 2- An activity that challenges the speed or handling characteristics of a > vehicle or improves or demonstrates driving skills, provided the activity > occurs on a track or course that is closed from non-participants..." > > Well, sounds like that specifically means Driving Schools, Autocrosses, Car > Control Clinics, etc. > > They are specifically excluding activities that improve driving skills. Go > figure. > > I wonder about lapping days?

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#7. Re: [E36M3] JTD Aluminum Undertray panel - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:47:49 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] JTD Aluminum Undertray panel At 09:30 AM 10/2/02, alex.fadeev@verizon.com wrote: >AFAIK the JTD shield is only certified to work on 2 and 4-door E36M3s. Pretty correct. It was initially designed on Jim Powell's Sedan IIRC, but it's primary use is for replacing the Coupe's undertray. Remember, the M3 Sedans & Coupes have different undertrays. The Coupe undertray is unique, whereas the Sedan's is the same as non-M E36s (shorter/smaller, less prone to damage and departing the vehicle at high speeds :-)). >Testing and if necessary trimming the fit to make it work on E36 non-M3 is >a pet project of mine since I'm tired of swapping pork chops on my wife's >328i. My completely un-scientific expectation is that it'll fit with minimal trimming. The pork chops appear to be the same on all E36's - at least they look the same on my M3 Sedan & 325is Coupe. I haven't checked the ETK to confirm the same part numbers, however. >Alas, life and work are temporarily getting in the way of this project Hate it when that happens :-) Cheers, Jim Bassett

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Insurance - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:53:22 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Insurance At 11:33 AM 10/2/02, Patrick Dargan wrote: >2- An activity that challenges the speed or handling characteristics of a >vehicle or improves or demonstrates driving skills, provided the activity >occurs on a track or course that is closed from non-participants..." > >Well, sounds like that specifically means Driving Schools, Autocrosses, Car >Control Clinics, etc. > >They are specifically excluding activities that improve driving skills. Go >figure. > >I wonder about lapping days? Wouldn't a "lapping day" fall under part of #2: "An activity that challenges the speed or handling characteristics of a vehicle...or demonstrates driving skills..."? Jim Bassett - not an insurance agent :-) 1998 M3/4 - retired from the track, full coverage for the street 1992 325is #44 KP - only carries liability

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Insurance - from matthew c. mead
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:02:51 -0400 From: "matthew c. mead" <mmead-bmw@goof.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Insurance On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 01:50:22PM -0500, alex.fadeev@verizon.com wrote: > Doesn't matter to me - I am not a military man and they would not talk to > me anyway. But anyone who is insured by USAA and wants to properly learn to > drive their M3s (on track) would be well advised to shop for a better > insurance company. I'm not sure given another 24 months there will be a "better insurance company." I see them all eventually writing these exclusions. This is why I purchased a Miata for the track. -matt -- matthew c. mead 97 Dakar M3/4 - sharked, xbraced 97 White GS-R/4 - stock (wife's) 92 Black Miata - dropped, dampened, headed towards SM http://www.goof.com/~mmead/

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Insurance - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:08:24 -0500 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Insurance "matthew c. mead" <mmead-bmw@goof.com> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 01:50:22PM -0500, alex.fadeev@verizon.com wrote: > > Doesn't matter to me - I am not a military man and they would not > > talk to me anyway. But anyone who is insured by USAA and wants to > > properly learn to drive their M3s (on track) would be well advised > > to shop for a better insurance company. > > I'm not sure given another 24 months there will be a "better > insurance company." I see them all eventually writing these > exclusions. This is why I purchased a Miata for the track. I hate to say it, but Matt is probably right. Either that or a few companies will continue to ensure DEs and charge a bit of premium for that extended coverage. In a perverted sense this is perfectly logical from an insurance company's view point. Think preventative medical care. Everyone agrees that 10c of prevention avoids $1 in treatment. But it is your current insurance company that would have to shell out those 10c in prevention with no guarantee that you will continue to be insured with THEM and THEY will realize that $1 in savings. Note to self: sign up for a few DEs ASAP. alex f

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#11. RE: [E36M3] Insurance - from Carey Probst
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:14:41 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@nycap.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Insurance Those of you with the track insurance problem may want to check out the following web sites for track specific insurance. Until State Farm changes, I'll stick with them. http://www.americancollectorsins.com/driversed.htm http://www.acordia.com/Acordia_Products/Personal_Lines/exoticclassic.html May be others. Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters JC CAIed and Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. -----Original Message----- From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com [mailto:alex.fadeev@verizon.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:50 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Insurance Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:43:41 -0500 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Insurance Patrick, Thanks for the info. Sounds like USAA is joining the ranks of DE-hostile insurance companies. Doesn't matter to me - I am not a military man and they would not talk to me anyway. But anyone who is insured by USAA and wants to properly learn to drive their M3s (on track) would be well advised to shop for a better insurance company. alex f P.S.: Lapping days are obviously excluded in provision #2 unless the activity is taking place on public roads. "Patrick Dargan" <darg01@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Definitions for exclusions in my policy (USAA) have been changed to read: > > "...Driving contest or challenge includes, but is not limited to: > > 1- A competition against other people, vehicles, or time or > > 2- An activity that challenges the speed or handling characteristics of a > vehicle or improves or demonstrates driving skills, provided the activity > occurs on a track or course that is closed from non-participants..." > > Well, sounds like that specifically means Driving Schools, Autocrosses, Car > Control Clinics, etc. > > They are specifically excluding activities that improve driving skills. Go > figure. > > I wonder about lapping days? ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

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