E36M3 #2663

Monday, October 07, 2002 09:31:12

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#1. Re: [E36M3] What is JTD RSM, RTB? - from Ed Yee
#2. Re: [E36M3] What is JTD RSM, RTB? - from Andrew E. Kalman
#3. RE: [E36M3] PF 97s vs. Porterfield R4s - from David Hogg
#4. Re: PF97's - from Steve Lilley
#5. Am I (potentially) Hosed? - from Paul England
#6. Re: fuel pump and concourse events - from Neil Maller
#7. Re: [E36M3] Am I (potentially) Hosed? - from Jay W. Hudson
#8. Re: PF97's/Hawk Blue Baked On Brake Dust, Etc. - from Dave Kelley
#9. Re: Source for Toyo RA-1's in 235/40-r17 size - from Neil Maller
#10. How loud is the UUC System U exhaust? - from DocWyte
#11. Jack Mount broke right off :( - from Michael Michalski

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#1. Re: [E36M3] What is JTD RSM, RTB? - from Ed Yee
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Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:07:31 -0400 From: "Ed Yee" <edyee@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] What is JTD RSM, RTB? Actually, in the present discussion, RTB = rear trailing arm bushing also seen as RTAB. JTD refers to JT Designs http://www.jt-designs.com a company which designed and manufactures machined version of the Rear Shock Mount (RSM) among other things. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] What is JTD RSM, RTB? > Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 08:28:48 -0700 > From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] What is JTD RSM, RTB? > > > What is JTD RSM, RTB? Sorry for the newbie questions? > > > Rear Shock Mount, Rear Tower Brace > -- > > ______________________________________ > Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > >

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#2. Re: [E36M3] What is JTD RSM, RTB? - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 11:43:17 -0700 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] What is JTD RSM, RTB? Re: >Actually, in the present discussion, RTB = rear trailing arm bushing >also seen as RTAB. JTD refers to JT Designs http://www.jt-designs.com >a company which designed and manufactures machined version of the >Rear Shock Mount (RSM) among other things. Thanks for the clarification -- I was aware of RTAB, but RTB meant rear tower brace to me (as in the ones Dinan makes). Regards, -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com

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#3. RE: [E36M3] PF 97s vs. Porterfield R4s - from David Hogg
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:28:57 -0400 From: "David Hogg" <springwood@blazenet.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] PF 97s vs. Porterfield R4s Wow, guys, those fancy BBS wheels must not have a very good finish! ; ^ ) No, really, I've had PF97's at WGI in the rain too, more than once, and no problems on wheels or paint. But multiple voices can't all be wrong. That's the benefit of this list. I'll watch the moist PF97 brake dust a little more closely from now on, I guess. But I won't give up my PF97's. Heck, they helped me pass a vintage Shelby GT 350 at Summit's Seat Time last week by slipstreaming him down the pit straight (only lost a few car lengths after gluing to his bumper in #10) and out-braking him on the inside into #1. Now, that was cool! Dave Hogg

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#4. Re: PF97's - from Steve Lilley
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Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 08:32:49 -0400 From: Steve Lilley <m3steve@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: PF97's Regarding PF97's, Dave wrote: > Just clean 'em. The "never comes off after it gets wet" syndrome > applies to the dust from Hawk blues. [snip] At any rate, you'll > not have this problem with the PF97's, which are a truly great pad > IMHO. Their dust washes off the same as those nasty-dirty stock > Jurids. It's just that there's even more of it. Just want to throw out another data point here: my experience with the PF-97s does not agree with Dave's experience. I used PF-97s twice at Summit Point this year. Exceptional pads on the track... BUT, in both cases, I was not able to get all the baked-on PF-97 gunk off the inside of the rims! That stuff is on there for good! Whether this was due to fact that the wheels got wet on the way home (both times), or the fact that I didn't try cleaning them until a couple days after the Driving School, I can't tell. But I've never had the same problem with R-4 pads (the other pad I've used at the track). Personally, given my two experiences, I won't use PF-97s again. (OK, maybe I will -- but only when I get a set of ugly boogered-up dedicated track wheels. The PF97s really are exceptional track pads.) Regards, Steve

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#5. Am I (potentially) Hosed? - from Paul England
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:39:01 -0400 From: "Paul England" <ettsn@mindspring.com> Subject: Am I (potentially) Hosed? Last night I was changing the oil in my 97 coupe, and the darnest thing (might've) happened. While removing the cartridge filter, the lid and bolt were pretty hot (I got the car up to temp so the oil would drain) so when I pulled the bolt and top, I didn't want to hold the bolt any longer than I had to, so I just set the bolt back in the central pipe where from whence it came, sans lid. I wrapped up the old filter and tossed it, cleaned up the cap, replaced all the gaskets, etc. When I was about to change the washer on top of the bolt, I noticed there wasn't one! Now I'm quite sure I put one on there when I did her last transfusion. Did it fall off when I removed the bolt at first and fall to the ground? Did it stick to the cap and fall of when I cleaned it? Or did it slide down into the bottom of the pipe in the cartridge assembly? Uh, oh. I don't know! So I looked down in there with a flashlight, and couldn't see anything. But what if? I can't imagine it could do much harm if it -is- in there. I mean, would there be an oil passage big enough to let that washer down to the pan or up to the head? I doubt it. Worst it could do is reduce flow a tiny amount, right? Wrong? So am I: 1. Hosed. Disassemble the entire filter assembly at once or have a pro do it since you appear so incapable. 2. Wait and See. Prolly not gonna kill anything, but drive around with the radio off in 'hyper listen' mode. 3. Forget it. There's no way it's gonna do anything in there. Besides, you don't even know that's where it went. Opinions? Thanks, all! :) -Paul England 97 M3/2

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#6. Re: fuel pump and concourse events - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 08:52:23 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: fuel pump and concourse events on 10/5/02 4:30 PM, it was written: > Second, re concourse events A "concourse" is a large public area where crowds gather, as in a train station or airport. "Concours" is French for competition or contest, and in this connection is short for "Concours d'Élégance" (you work it out). (And no, I have no idea why they can't simply use a simple and understandable English phrase instead.) Neil Department of Testy Monday Morning Linguistic Pedantry

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Am I (potentially) Hosed? - from Jay W. Hudson
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Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 07:00:53 -0700 From: "Jay W. Hudson" <jwhud@cdsnet.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Am I (potentially) Hosed? At 08:40 AM 10/7/02 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:39:01 -0400 >From: "Paul England" <ettsn@mindspring.com> >Subject: Am I (potentially) Hosed? > >Last night I was changing the oil in my 97 coupe, and the darnest thing >(might've) happened. While removing the cartridge filter, the lid and bolt >were pretty hot (I got the car up to temp so the oil would drain) so when I >pulled the bolt and top, I didn't want to hold the bolt any longer than I >had to, so I just set the bolt back in the central pipe where from whence it >came, sans lid. I wrapped up the old filter and tossed it, cleaned up the >cap, replaced all the gaskets, etc. When I was about to change the washer on >top of the bolt, I noticed there wasn't one! Now I'm quite sure I put one on >there when I did her last transfusion. Did it fall off when I removed the >bolt at first and fall to the ground? Did it stick to the cap and fall of >when I cleaned it? Or did it slide down into the bottom of the pipe in the >cartridge assembly? Uh, oh. I don't know! So I looked down in there with a >flashlight, and couldn't see anything. But what if? I can't imagine it could >do much harm if it -is- in there. I mean, would there be an oil passage big >enough to let that washer down to the pan or up to the head? I doubt it. >Worst it could do is reduce flow a tiny amount, right? Wrong? So am I: > >1. Hosed. Disassemble the entire filter assembly at once or have a pro do it >since you appear so incapable. >2. Wait and See. Prolly not gonna kill anything, but drive around with the >radio off in 'hyper listen' mode. >3. Forget it. There's no way it's gonna do anything in there. Besides, you >don't even know that's where it went. > >Opinions? Thanks, all! :) > >-Paul England >97 M3/2 > You know, every time I change the filter I have to pry that washer off the bolt wih a sharp tool like a utility knife. It actually looks like it's part of the bolt. Are you sure it's not still on the bolt? If it truely is MIA, you could try a magnet to recover it from the bottom of the flter assy. I'm not sure if the washer is steel or aluminum though. You could also try one of those grabber thingies. I don't envy you. I wouldn't be too happy to have a washer floating around somewhere in the oiling system. Good luck - Jay

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#8. Re: PF97's/Hawk Blue Baked On Brake Dust, Etc. - from Dave Kelley
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:05:31 -0400 From: "Dave Kelley" <d.kelley@usa.net> Subject: Re: PF97's/Hawk Blue Baked On Brake Dust, Etc. I think the reason for some of the different opinions is that some people are talking about plain old brake dust and others are talking about the wet dust that dries and gets baked on. I just ran my second track weekend with Hawk Blues. It was dry and the wheels and brake dust never got wet. I was able to remove the brake dust without any problem using Eagle One wheel cleaner. But two weeks ago at Road Atlanta, we had rain off and on. Here is the real problem. The dust gets wet immediately and turns into a slurry that just coats the wheels. This is totally different than dry dust. During a single session, the rain stopped and the heat in the wheels was enough to dry out this slurry and bake it onto the wheels. This is all during the same track session. By then, it is already too late! This baked on slurry is impossible to get off without at least ruining the paint on your wheels. I ended up experimenting with every method and cleaning product imaginable, even Oxy Clean! For those of you that suggested Baby Wipes, get real! That may be fine for "dust" but not for this baked on stuff. I finally had some success with Zud heavy duty cleanser that has some oxalic acid in it. But I had to use an abrasive pad and it took off some of the paint. I tried non-caustic oven cleaner and it did nothing. Then since I had already ruined the paint, I decided to use regular heavy duty caustic oven cleaner. The heavy duty oven cleaner actually worked fairly well. I had to take and exacto knife and actually try to chip off most of the heavy baked on material. But the oven cleaner lifted the edges a little so I could get under them with the exacto knife to peel off the deposits. Some scraping was required in other areas. I think if you were very careful, the oven cleaner method could be used and perhaps not damage the paint. At least the BMW OEM wheel paint. But for all intents and purposes these wheels will have to be refinished if they ever want to live life again as something other that track wheels. And I will never again let Hawk Blue brake dust get wet and then baked on my wheels again. Dave Kelley > Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 08:32:49 -0400 > From: Steve Lilley <m3steve@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: PF97's > > Regarding PF97's, Dave wrote: > > Just clean 'em. The "never comes off after it gets wet" syndrome > > applies to the dust from Hawk blues. [snip] At any rate, you'll > > not have this problem with the PF97's, which are a truly great pad > > IMHO. Their dust washes off the same as those nasty-dirty stock > > Jurids. It's just that there's even more of it. > > Just want to throw out another data point here: my experience with > the PF-97s does not agree with Dave's experience. I used PF-97s > twice at Summit Point this year. Exceptional pads on the track... > BUT, in both cases, I was not able to get all the baked-on PF-97 > gunk off the inside of the rims! That stuff is on there for good! > Whether this was due to fact that the wheels got wet on the way > home (both times), or the fact that I didn't try cleaning them > until a couple days after the Driving School, I can't tell. But > I've never had the same problem with R-4 pads (the other pad I've > used at the track). Personally, given my two experiences, I won't > use PF-97s again. (OK, maybe I will -- but only when I get a set > of ugly boogered-up dedicated track wheels. The PF97s really are > exceptional track pads.) > > Regards, > Steve

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#9. Re: Source for Toyo RA-1's in 235/40-r17 size - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:16:03 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Source for Toyo RA-1's in 235/40-r17 size on 10/4/02 2:40 PM, alex.fadeev@verizon.com wrote: > "Cheng, Margaret" <Margaret.Cheng@kp.org> wrote: >> >> Finally, a handy and relatively inexpensive source for >> Toyo 235/40-r17 tires!!! >> Vilven Tire now carries our size. >> $181 or $176 shipped to you, depending on your location. >> The price is either shaved or full tread, however you want. > > Margaret > My suggestion to you is to keep looking. > Our local DFW area Discount Tire is charging $150/per mounted. I believe > lifetime balancing and tax are extra. > I don't know if they will ship out of state. > Toyos - great tires. Horrible distributors. And my local Discount Tire Co. didn't seem to have heard of the Toyo brand at all, and was totally clueless about ordering any. I assume this must vary from location to location. Bought mine from Vilven: excellent service, arrived next day via UPS. I agree about Toyo's distribution. They sure don't make it easy to find these tires. On a somewhat related note, earlier this year I bought some used wheels which had half-used BFG R1 tires - the original asymmetric design, long ago discontinued - on them. Since they are several years old I assumed the tires would be rocks, but tried them out this past weekend out of curiosity to use them up. They are amazing! Far better grip and response than any of the other R compound tires I've tried (Yokos, Kumhos, Toyos). I never ran these back when they were current. Too bad. Neil 96 M3

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#10. How loud is the UUC System U exhaust? - from DocWyte
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 07:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: How loud is the UUC System U exhaust? Thinking of picking one of these up used. Is it annoyingly loud? Ie, drones on the freeway, people can hear you coming for miles? Also, would a system from a '97 328is fit my '95 M3? UUC's website doesn't seem to be up and I can't get them on the phone... -josh ===== Josh Wyte Momentum Motorsports 508-833-3024 After 5 pm EST __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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#11. Jack Mount broke right off :( - from Michael Michalski
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:19:30 -0500 From: "Michael Michalski" <mmichalski@leaselink.com> Subject: Jack Mount broke right off :( Good Morning Guys/Gals, Well I just completed the last AutoX for the year :( and have to say that I broke a few things. Wouldn't ya know it......Oh well. I ended up taking out my spare tire for the first time. What I forgot to take out was the jack however. When I went to put the tire back at the end of the day, I noticed the jack laying on the floor, with THE CLAMP ATTACHED!! It looks like the metal cracked right off. How much is this going to cost me to get fixed??? I'm assuming that it needs to be welded. Am I correct in my assumption? As always, I appreciate any, and all feedback. Michael Michalski 97 ///M3 4 Windy City Chapter

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