E36M3 #2678

Thursday, October 10, 2002 14:20:40

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. RE: Rear shock noise - from Steve Klein
#2. Settings for Koni's with stock springs? - from DocWyte
#3. Re: [E36M3] Settings for Koni's with stock springs? - from Chester Wong
#4. Re: [E36M3] Settings for Koni's with stock springs? - from Andrej Dolenc
#5. Engine oil starvation - from Jamie Thomas
#6. Re: Ballast for Alignment - from Neil Maller
#7. Re: [E36M3] Engine oil starvation - from cteague@cox.net
#8. VIR south, rotor warping - from Jonathan Evans
#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: JC intake vs PAR intake - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
#10. Re: [E36M3] Engine oil starvation - from Joe Dyer

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#1. RE: Rear shock noise - from Steve Klein
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:56:49 -0500 From: Steve Klein <klein@robinsonad.com> Subject: RE: Rear shock noise Johnny- If the Ground Control RSMs you've installed are solid mono-ball type, and the sound you get is a klunk at low to moderate speeds over bumps, it could be the RSM itself. I had installed the mono-ball RSMs from TC Kline racing, and I spent a few months trying to locate the source of the noise. After pulling apart the entire shock assembly numerous times, I followed Chester's advice and replaced them with the E46 M3 RSMs and the noise has disappeared. The mono-ball feels solid as hell, so I'm still stumped as to what in the assembly was making the noise. I'll be curious to hear your solution and results. Thanks, Steve

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#2. Settings for Koni's with stock springs? - from DocWyte
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:05:01 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Settings for Koni's with stock springs? Going to go pick up my car later this afternoon. Just had the single adjustable koni's installed in it while keeping the stock springs. ('95 M3) Can anyone give me an idea of where to set the koni's to start out with? Just using the car for aggressive street driving... TIA! -josh ===== Josh Wyte Momentum Motorsports 508-833-3024 After 5 pm EST __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Settings for Koni's with stock springs? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Settings for Koni's with stock springs? Damn...I forgot what I have mine set to, but IIRC, they are between 1 and 1.5 turns from full stiff. Chester --- DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> wrote: > Going to go pick up my car later this afternoon. Just > had the single adjustable koni's installed in it while > keeping the stock springs. ('95 M3) > > Can anyone give me an idea of where to set the koni's > to start out with? Just using the car for aggressive > street driving... ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Settings for Koni's with stock springs? - from Andrej Dolenc
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:23:57 -0400 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Settings for Koni's with stock springs? > Going to go pick up my car later this afternoon. Just > had the single adjustable koni's installed in it while > keeping the stock springs. ('95 M3) > Can anyone give me an idea of where to set the koni's > to start out with? Just using the car for aggressive > street driving... I have mine set just a little less than 1 turn from full soft. 2.5 turns of adjustment total. Andrej '97 M3

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#5. Engine oil starvation - from Jamie Thomas
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:23:44 -0400 From: "Jamie Thomas"<midpoint@mindspring.com> Subject: Engine oil starvation Hi all- I'm sure this has come up before, but are any of you experiencing valve noise or clicking after a hard run at the track or auto-x? Do they make an oil pan baffle for the E36 like they did for the E30? I already add extra oil to the engine. Any other solutions? Jamie Thomas Everett, WA M3/4 <--breathing hard after exercise

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#6. Re: Ballast for Alignment - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:33:30 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Ballast for Alignment on 10/10/02 11:39 AM, The Buch <the_buch@telus.net> wrote: > Stock spec seems to be for a full tank of gas and 150lbs in each front > seat, the middle of the back seat and the trunk (total 600lbs of > ballast). Since I usually (95% of the time) have just me on board with > no luggage, why not just ballast it for me, or am I missing something in > the assumptions used by the alignment folks? Nope - it's alignment of non-M cars that calls for fixed weight ballasting. M3 alignment is specified in terms of right height. The car is supposed to be weighted until a defined ride height is attained, then the alignment performed. I wonder if that really get done most of the time? Of course if your car is lowered that becomes impossible. Helium balloons anyone? In practice lowered cars hardly settle under normal load, so I really don't think it matters all that much. Mine is normally aligned with just the driver on board, and whatever gas happens to be in the tank. Neil 96 M3 - H&R/Koni SA

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Engine oil starvation - from cteague@cox.net
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:41:53 -0400 From: <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Engine oil starvation Jamie, I do about 20 autox events a year in my 97 M3/4. And yes, it does have that lifter clicking after a hard run. I run 1 quart over, and that helped a little. I switched to Mobil 1 15-50, and that helped a little. But I still have the noise, just not as bad. My tranny rattle went away with Royal Purple Syncromax, but I don't think that's a good choice for the motor. ;-) ;-) In short, I am just living with the noise. While back in grid, if you raise the rpm's slowly to 2K, and hold, it seems to make the noise go away faster. Others have suggested Kendall Oil. Chris 97 M3/4 Waiting for a new radiator... > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:23:44 -0400 > From: "Jamie Thomas"<midpoint@mindspring.com> > Subject: Engine oil starvation > > Hi all- > > I'm sure this has come up before, but are any of you experiencing valve noise > or clicking after a hard run at the track or auto-x? Do they make an oil pan > baffle for the E36 like they did for the E30? I already add extra oil to the > engine. Any other solutions?

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#8. VIR south, rotor warping - from Jonathan Evans
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:01:06 -0400 From: "Jonathan Evans" <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> Subject: VIR south, rotor warping Great course, more fun than I thought it would be. For a newbie like = me, it was less turns to memorize. Anywho, I had a similar experience when I ran it the first time. After = getting familiar with the track, and having a clear track ahead, I was = really giving it all I had (safely). After about ten QUICK laps (for me = at least) my steering wheel began to shudder. Not hand wrenching = shudder, but close. Thought I'd warped my rotors. I had the week = before installed new pads and rotors on all four wheels. Brembo rotors = and stock pads. After easing up a bit and swearing under my breath, the shuddering began = to decrease. From the discussion on this list, I believe I was getting = the brake pad buildup on the rotor that people have described similar to = warped rotors. Hope that's the case with your rotors, but perhaps not. =20 2nd piece of advice: There is no reason after coming out of Oak Tree to = accelerate at full throttle down the straightaway except to serenade the = pits with that beautiful inline 6 exhaust note. The faster you go down = the straightaway, the harder you have to brake at the end. Now this = would be quite different for a timed event, but since I was at a school, = I was there to learn. If I want to practice threshold braking at = 120mph, then I'll upgrade my brake system, or expect warped/damaged = rotors. BTW, this was the only time cars passed me all weekend. (except for = that darn E46 M3, which I was keeping up with pretty well in the = curves). -Jonathan 95 m3 raleigh =20

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: JC intake vs PAR intake - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:45:45 -0500 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: JC intake vs PAR intake "Rob" <speedmaster@telus.net> wrote: > Peter wrote: > > You're nuts. I've used both kits and _on the same car_ and the > > ECIS and JC were equal. Dyno tests have proven it. The JC kit > > has superior fit and finish, and holds up better over time, but > > they are definitely very close performance-wise. > > Peter, > sorry that we agree to disagree on this. I have just dyno tested > both the ECIS and the JC intakes, and the JC won by a substantial > margin. Rob, Are you a Steve Dinan clone by any chance? - 'won by a substantial margin'. What margin? Won what? Show us the numbers! Every time I hear from people who had paid their money for a dyno run they can't wait to brag about the results. Whatever they may be. With all the gory details. But not you. You measure results in terms of 'substantial' margins. Hmmm. > I don't boubt that on some cars both might make similar *peak* > numbers, but I am sure that the area under the curve will be > much better with the JC. If you had dynoed the two intakes back to back, why are you speaking about the outcome in a future tense? At any rate, we are talking about two nearly identical shields with different cone filters. Who makes the shields, what goes into them and how sexy they look is hardly relevant. The cone filters themselves may or may not make a small difference. If you have a good reason to prefer a K&N over ITG cone or the other way around, state your case. Lets not get vendor ass kissing get in the way of a technical debate. > Either way, we are talking about expensive BMW Motorsport cars here, > who wouldn't want to spend a few bucks more for the nicer product? Just about no-one on this list. Otherwise we would all be buying nothing but 'good enough but ungodly overpriced' Dinan products. alex f '95 M3 that had been dynoed with stock, euro-box, euro-box with drop-in K&N and shielded K&N cone

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Engine oil starvation - from Joe Dyer
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:14:46 -0700 From: "Joe Dyer" <joedyer@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Engine oil starvation Jamie, An extra quart of oil in the sump should do it for most autocross/track days. Further than that you can go to the LTW dual oil pickup. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Thomas" <midpoint@mindspring.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: [E36M3] Engine oil starvation > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:23:44 -0400 > From: "Jamie Thomas"<midpoint@mindspring.com> > Subject: Engine oil starvation > > Hi all- > > I'm sure this has come up before, but are any of you experiencing valve noise > or clicking after a hard run at the track or auto-x? Do they make an oil pan > baffle for the E36 like they did for the E30? I already add extra oil to the > engine. Any other solutions? > > Jamie Thomas > Everett, WA > M3/4 <--breathing hard after exercise > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >

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