E36M3 #2788

Sunday, December 01, 2002 22:08:26

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#1. 6x9's in rear deck - from ChuckBrazeau@aol.com
#2. Re: Shipping wheel and tire combo's - from Sprichardson@aol.com
#3. LTW-style Flag Decals - from Peter Guagenti
#4. FS: Aluminum Interior Goodies - from Peter Guagenti
#5. EBC "Red" pads - anyone try them? - from Rob
#6. Re: [E36M3] EBC "Red" pads - anyone try them?- Pad Review - from Jon S.
#7. slightly OT:comparo of 350Z to M3 - from Mdriver13@aol.com
#8. Re: [E36M3] EBC "Red" pads - anyone try them? - from Chris Teague
#9. Re: [E36M3] slightly OT:comparo of 350Z to M3 - from Lee E. Piccione
#10. [E36M3] E36M3 - from Edward N Frank

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#1. 6x9's in rear deck - from ChuckBrazeau@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:09:00 EST From: ChuckBrazeau@aol.com Subject: 6x9's in rear deck To go along with Mel's previous write up on upgrading the HK 6x9 speakers (<A HREF="http://www.amt.org/mel/Penny_Speakers.htm"> http://www.amt.org/mel/Penny_Speakers.htm</A>), i've also done a write up on fabricating some rear 6x9 adapter plates for non-HK E36 cars. I'm using the 6x9's as small subwoofers as a cheap (really cheap: $10 used) alternative to JL stealthboxes, and i'm even running them off the factory amp with decent results! ;-) <A HREF="http://www.brazeauracing.com/speakers.htm">http://www.brazeauracing.com/speakers.htm</A> Chuck Brazeau '95 BMW M3 - Violet on Black SCCA Solo2 - B Stock #95 <A HREF="http://www.brazeauracing.com/">http://www.brazeauracing.com/</A>

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#2. Re: Shipping wheel and tire combo's - from Sprichardson@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:12:41 EST From: Sprichardson@aol.com Subject: Re: Shipping wheel and tire combo's Jeremy, I just shipped a set of 17 x 7.5" wheels and winter tires via UPS. It's true you can ship individual items up to 100 lbs via UPS, but they tack on a surcharge for anything over 80 lbs. My wheel/tires weighed around 42 each, so I shipped 4 packages. Tire rack has a recommended method for packing wheels and tires. Click on the refund/return section at the bottom of their web page. Look for the URL that says "review packaging instructions". Unfortunately UPS charged me an extra $10.00 per package for "non standard packaging" when I used this method. If you can cram them in a box I think you can avoid this charge, but I think the Tire Rack method is most likely to get your wheels and tires where they're going without damage. Good luck, Scott 96M3/2

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#3. LTW-style Flag Decals - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 09:20:35 -0800 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: LTW-style Flag Decals Gruppe: I went out and bought a set of LTW-style flag decals for my '95, so I thought I'd spread the love. If you want your very own flag decals, don't pay the absurd prices that everyone charges for these things (I paid over $130 on eBay), make your own: http://www.guagenti.com/M3/01-hood.jpg http://www.guagenti.com/M3/02-left_fender.jpg http://www.guagenti.com/M3/03-trunk_top.jpg http://www.guagenti.com/M3/04-trunk_rear.jpg http://www.guagenti.com/M3/05-right_rear_a.jpg http://www.guagenti.com/M3/06-right_rear_b.jpg These are high-res digital pictures of each decal panel, with a ruler included in the photo for scale. All you have to do is take these photos to a sign shop, and they should be able to recreate the decal for you in whatever color(s) you want. For even less money (if you are artistically inclined like some of us), import the photos into Adobe Illustrator, recreate the flag decal in line-art, and any sign shop can run the file through their vinyl cutters for minimal cost. At some point I'll be recreating these stickers to recoup the cost I put into them, so I'll let y'all know if I decide to sell any. I'll also post pics of the dark-grey metallic flags on my black '95 to the list as soon as I wash my car. ;-) -peterg

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#4. FS: Aluminum Interior Goodies - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 09:54:24 -0800 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: FS: Aluminum Interior Goodies I recently replaced some of the interior accents in my car with new UUC Aluminum pieces, so the old stuff is for sale. All prices are negotiable, as I really need to stop being a pack-rat. Momo Aluminum Pedals (incl. Dead Pedal) http://www.guagenti.com/M3/momo_pedals.jpg These are the same as the Schnitzer pedals you see al the time. Should fit most BMWs. New costs over $120, asking $60 (shipping included). Aluminum Emergency Brake Handle http://www.guagenti.com/M3/hand_brake.jpg This is a no-name brushed aluminum handbrake. Paid $50 for it new, asking $25 (shipping included). I'll also be selling my Rob Knob Euro (w/Motorsport pattern) as soon as my lighted version gets shipped, so I'd be happy to offer a package deal to someone who wants it all. -peterg

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#5. EBC "Red" pads - anyone try them? - from Rob
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:36:33 -0700 From: "Rob" <speedmaster@telus.net> Subject: EBC "Red" pads - anyone try them? Has anyone on the list tried the EBC Red Stuff pads. They claim to be fade free to 750C which is way higher than a Hawk HP+, Pagid Sport, etc. I know the old Green pads sucked but maybe these aren't too bad?!??! Thanks, Rob

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#6. Re: [E36M3] EBC "Red" pads - anyone try them?- Pad Review - from Jon S.
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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 13:13:49 -0600 From: "Jon S." <treehouse@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] EBC "Red" pads - anyone try them?- Pad Review All EBC's up to this point are terrible on cars. I would Never use them again on street or track. For Track, (I assume you are referring to DE's or high performance driving) try the HT 10's. They're the best for fade resist and MAJOR high temp use-ability. You won't be dissapointed. For reference, I've tried: HP+ Melt/crumble on track Hawk blues no brakes til warm PBR Metal master can fade on track EBC Green Sh!t. Melt/go away in 1-3 agressive sessions EBC Red Crapola. Fade like a monkey, go away pretty fast. PF 93 Good. Leaves deposit on rotors PF 97 Excellent - it's almost too much braking power, still deposit on rotors , initial bite is HUGE but manageable. modulation takes practice. Performance Friction street metallic No business on track. Carbon Kevlar Avg. - wear quickly Cool Willys Avg.- Squeak horribly Hawk HT - 10's Very Good. Some squeakage, excellent wear. Decent modulation and initial bite. Handles nasty temps. No crap on rotors. Bed in is a little un-nerving with some shakes for a lap or two- then theyre fine. They're you have it. No I don't sell them. So it's not a "plug" James @ bimmerworld has been quite pleased with them as well. I tried them on his rec and am pretty happy with them. He does sell them. Jon ______________________________________________ Jon Siccardi Treehouse Racing www.treehouseracing.com ______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <speedmaster@telus.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:37 PM > Subject: [E36M3] EBC "Red" pads - anyone try them? > > > > Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:36:33 -0700 > > From: "Rob" <speedmaster@telus.net> > > Subject: EBC "Red" pads - anyone try them? > > > > Has anyone on the list tried the EBC Red Stuff pads. They claim to be > > fade free to 750C which is way higher than a Hawk HP+, Pagid Sport, etc. I > > know the old Green pads sucked but maybe these aren't too bad?!??! > > > > Thanks, > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************* > > List Commands > > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > > > To issue a command/request to the server: > > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > > ************************************************************* > > > > >

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#7. slightly OT:comparo of 350Z to M3 - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:40:15 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: slightly OT:comparo of 350Z to M3 Group, Well, had some time to kill on Friday, so I arranged to test drive a new "track version" 2003 Nissan 350Z at a friend's dealership. As my SO would say, "this one looks like a sports car, your M3 doesn't." It's all a matter of taste. Inside, the seating position is nice and low like that of a Porsche or NSX. Front and side visibility is excellent, rear view is poor with that rear window rake. All controls straight forward, plenty of usable gauges (including oil pressure, and volt meter). Pod type gauges move when you adjust the steering wheel, so they're always centered...a nine touch. Even though it's a two seater, it feels roomy. Maybe a downside here is...no back seat, depends on your mindset. Acceleration (287hp/3200 lbs)...no better than my M3, I'm sharked that's it! Clutch feel is very good, shifts are very short (I mean real short, you can't get shorter than this). Drive-by-wire accelerator pedal very easy to punch, maybe to little resistance, but there is no lag-time that I could feel. In 6th gear, 70mph tachs at around 2400rpm...how nice. Steering response is excellent, and it handles great in the curves! IMHO, this is the car's strong suit. I had the salesman white knuckled on a few country road curves (I knew them well), I'd have to say the Z can out do my M3 in this category, and I have (x-brace, Eibach sways, Koni SA/DA, and front/rear, strut/shock braces). However, last time I took these curves it was sans Konis, but with Pilot MXX3 tires, now I'm on Ecsta 712s. Handling bumps and uneven pavement is equal to my M3. This track version Z is supposed to be the harshest riding of the models, but I found it to be acceptable. Wind and road noise is more noticeable than in the M3, and might get in the way of music listening pleasure (can't say here, never turned the radio on). Dual exhaust note was all the music I needed, however, the M3 still sounds great on acceleration too. Well, in the end, I'm not planning to trade-in my M3. But if I were, this car would be the ticket. I've driven an e46M3 too and would have to say hands down I'd buy the Z and pocket the $16K I'd save in the process. For what it's worth, there you have it. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion '97 & '00 BSP Champion '01 & '02

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#8. Re: [E36M3] EBC "Red" pads - anyone try them? - from Chris Teague
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:41:53 -0800 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] EBC "Red" pads - anyone try them? Rob, I had a set of EBC reds that I used for street and autox. Much less dust than stock, and more linear to me. But I know some people like the quick initial bite of the stock pads, and these don't have that. Overall, I never felt that the gripped as well as the stock pads, but it was close. I never faded them either, so it is possible they are more fade resistant than stock, but I can't confirm that. I have since switched to Axxis Ultimates per Peter G's recommendation, and I sure like the axxis ultimates a lot better. Still a nice linear pad, but a little grippier than stock, and they don't dust too bad either. Chris 97 M3/4 ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:36:33 -0700 > From: "Rob" <speedmaster@telus.net> > Subject: EBC "Red" pads - anyone try them? > > Has anyone on the list tried the EBC Red Stuff pads. They claim to be > fade free to 750C which is way higher than a Hawk HP+, Pagid Sport, etc. I > know the old Green pads sucked but maybe these aren't too bad?!??! > > Thanks, > Rob

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#9. Re: [E36M3] slightly OT:comparo of 350Z to M3 - from Lee E. Piccione
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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 21:17:01 -0500 From: "Lee E. Piccione" <leepic@smart.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] slightly OT:comparo of 350Z to M3 Being an avid Z fan (I've owned 10, currently I have two 240Z's and a Fairlady Z), I couldn't wait to try a 350Z as soon as they came out. But sadly I immediately found one item where my M3 is better than the 350Z, headroom. I'm a little above 6'4" and my '95 no-sunroof M3 has plenty of headroom. No matter what I did to the seating position in the Z, my head was mashed against the roof. I didn't even take the Z for a ride... :-( Lee (perfectly happy w/ my '95 M3) Mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:40:15 EST > From: Mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: slightly OT:comparo of 350Z to M3 > > Group, > > Well, had some time to kill on Friday, so I arranged to test drive a new > "track version" 2003 Nissan 350Z at a friend's dealership. As my SO would > say, "this one looks like a sports car, your M3 doesn't." It's all a matter > of taste. Inside, the seating position is nice and low like that of a > Porsche or NSX. Front and side visibility is excellent, rear view is poor > with that rear window rake. All controls straight forward, plenty of usable > gauges (including oil pressure, and volt meter). Pod type gauges move when > you adjust the steering wheel, so they're always centered...a nine touch. > Even though it's a two seater, it feels roomy. Maybe a downside here is...no > back seat, depends on your mindset. > > Acceleration (287hp/3200 lbs)...no better than my M3, I'm sharked that's it! > Clutch feel is very good, shifts are very short (I mean real short, you can't > get shorter than this). Drive-by-wire accelerator pedal very easy to punch, > maybe to little resistance, but there is no lag-time that I could feel. In > 6th gear, 70mph tachs at around 2400rpm...how nice. > > Steering response is excellent, and it handles great in the curves! IMHO, > this is the car's strong suit. I had the salesman white knuckled on a few > country road curves (I knew them well), I'd have to say the Z can out do my > M3 in this category, and I have (x-brace, Eibach sways, Koni SA/DA, and > front/rear, strut/shock braces). However, last time I took these curves it > was sans Konis, but with Pilot MXX3 tires, now I'm on Ecsta 712s. Handling > bumps and uneven pavement is equal to my M3. This track version Z is > supposed to be the harshest riding of the models, but I found it to be > acceptable. Wind and road noise is more noticeable than in the M3, and might > get in the way of music listening pleasure (can't say here, never turned the > radio on). Dual exhaust note was all the music I needed, however, the M3 > still sounds great on acceleration too. > > Well, in the end, I'm not planning to trade-in my M3. But if I were, this > car would be the ticket. I've driven an e46M3 too and would have to say > hands down I'd buy the Z and pocket the $16K I'd save in the process. > > For what it's worth, there you have it. > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe > Philly Region SCCA > AS Champion '97 & '00 > BSP Champion '01 & '02 > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > *************************************************************

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#10. [E36M3] E36M3 - from Edward N Frank
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 23:04:06 -0500 From: "Edward N Frank" <enf@iglou.com> Subject: [E36M3] E36M3 I know that some of you have the resources to answer this so I am hoping to resolve this issue here. I have a 97 M3/4. It has 55,000 miles. The dealer said I needed a thermostat, gasket, & housing when I took it in for an ($85) oil change. What is the estimated or actual labor TIME to replace this. And what would be the expected materials cost? According to what I've read it requires removing the fan cover, draing the radiator, replacing the parts, replacing the fluids, and reinstalling the cover. I may have missed something but basically isn't that it? So how much for parts (average)? How much in labor (time & money). Thanks, Ed Frank 97 M3/4

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