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#1. Re: Leithauser M3 for sale (was '99 M3 as a race car ...) - from KLchmn@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:15:12 EST From: KLchmn@aol.com Subject: Re: Leithauser M3 for sale (was '99 M3 as a race car ...) In a message dated 12/5/02 6:11:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, Mel writes: > Also, this car is not BMWCCA H-stock legal. BZZZZZT. You are incorrect, Sir! I quote from the newly released 2003 BMW CCA Club Racing rule book, page 12 of 42, Stock and Prepared Classes, 1. General, "Vehicles competing in SCCA "Amateur" classes (Improved Touring, touring 1, Touring 2, and Showroom Stock) can participate in BMW CCA Club Racing adhering to either BMW CCA class rules or SCCA class rules, but not a combination of both." Therefore, if one wanted to run this car in BMW CCA club racing I-stock (class changes for 2003), it WOULD BE LEGAL as long as you ran it in T2 trim. BTW: the 2002 rule book was very similar in its wording. Scott R. had the misfortune of having the rules changed on him midcourse. Not particularly fair to Scott and I personally don't agree with the change, FWIW. >Also, if those wheels are any larger than 8.5", they are not legal either. BZZZZZZT again. Only the fronts are limited to 8.5 inches. Rears can be 9.5 inches. You are allowed 1 inch wider than stock and the M3 had 8.5 rears and 7.5 fronts. Please consult the rule book before declaring what is and isn't legal. >I think the suspension setup could be a bit better too, in my recent readingon vehicle dynamics I am learing that 4 >wheels on the ground is much betterthan 3 or 2. Yep, but sometimes the laws of physics won't let you take a corner on all 4. This isn't the only car out there lifting a front inside wheel going around a corner. If you really want to see a wheel in the air, check out some of the photos of autocrossers at the Nat'l championships in Topeka. Grippy concrete surface and sticky tires will wreak havoc on even Moton damped cars. >James Clay (BimmerWorld) has sucessfuly developed a setup that accomplishes this, and yes it is super fast. Betcha I can get an inside front wheel to lift. <G> No offense to James as he does sell, manufacture, and put together good packages, but I'm doubtful on this one. James, what's your experience with the new suspension and lifting wheels? Cheers, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter '95 M3 #21 I-stock
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#2. RE: [E36M3] FS: '99 M3 as a race car or chassis/motor package - from Jonathan Heiliger
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:23:59 -0800 From: "Jonathan Heiliger" <jh@donutzracing.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] FS: '99 M3 as a race car or chassis/motor package I apologize if the ad is misleading, that's not my intent. According to what/how I read the BMWCCA rules (and from what I've seen when I ran last year); the cage is legal in Prepared. For the interior, you are required to maintain the interior door panels and dash; so what's missing is the passenger side door panel. In regards to the motor, I state that it would need to be built to be completive in BM. Or someone could buy just the chassis (with or without the parts) and drop in their own 2.8, Euro 3.2, or another motor. That is also said on the website. Either way, I appreciate the feedback. If I'm wrong about the classification, please let me know where and I will change the ad. -jh- -----Original Message----- From: Michael [mailto:95m3ltw@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 2:15 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] FS: '99 M3 as a race car or chassis/motor package Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:09:10 -0500 From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] FS: '99 M3 as a race car or chassis/motor package That chassis could not be used in any class except GT, SCCA SPO or BMWCCA B mod. The cage alone prevents it from being used in any stock class. No cage beyond the firewall for stock classes. As to the motor being built further, look at about 10k to get it at the entry level in Bmod, then you would still be down about 50hp compared to the big dogs. Their ad is very misleading, check the club racing website, the rules are there and you will see that it doesnt come close to meeting them. Or SCCA for that matter Mike still a nice car though
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Low pitched grinding noise = ?????? - from Justin Paek
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:55:20 -0800 From: "Justin Paek" <jpaek421@attbi.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Low pitched grinding noise = ?????? Wes, I had a wheel bearing go out on me a couple weeks ago. It started out with a slight rumbling noise (dependent with speed) which led me to believe it was a bad wheel bearing. Got the car up and moved the wheel back and forth with no noticeable play. I took the car to the shop and the mechanic used a stethoscope to listen for any grinding noises. Low and behold, it was a bad wheel bearing. Justin Paek > Just got off of a 1400 mile trip. In the last 100 miles I heard a low > pitched grinding noise coming from the side (not sure if front or back). > My first thought was a wheel bearing but moving from side to side didn't > get rid of it. The noise did change with speed and had no direct > relation with engine RPM's. > > Car is a 1995 M3 with 125,000 miles. > > My thought were: > -Wheel bearing > -Driveshaft center bearing? > > Any thoughts? > > Wes
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#4. Re: [E36M3] 96-99 Spring Hat Part Number - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:09:54 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 96-99 Spring Hat Part Number Someone e-mailed me asking a question that has me a bit worried. These part numbers (and what I thought Chris was trying to find out) are the parts that hold the top of the spring. It isn't the bearing plate that people swap left to right for the '96+ parts or go from conventional '96+ to '95 to get some more negative camber. In this respect, I left out the spring pad part numbers that you would need to accompany the spring hats: '95: 31 33 1 128 523 (3mm thick) '96+: 31 33 2 227 902 (3mm thick) 31 33 2 227 901 (9mm thick) ...for the ultimate in front jacked up look or maybe use these with Eibach springs for increased spring rate, but not as drastic as a drop in the front? ....oooohhhh... Or you can get the bavauto spring hats that drop the front 10mm and use these to get an overall 1mm drop :) Chester --- Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > > '95: 31 33 2 227 348 > '96+: 31 33 2 227 903 > > --- cteague@cox.net wrote: > > I know the 95 spring hats are a little larger than the 96-99 hats. My > search > > skills have failed me. Anyone have the part numbers for the 96 up hats/and > > or the 95's? =====
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#5. Re: [E36M3] 96-99 Spring Hat Part Number - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:22:57 EST From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] 96-99 Spring Hat Part Number chester writes: > In this respect, I left out the spring pad part numbers that you would need > to > accompany the spring hats: > > '95: 31 33 1 128 523 (3mm thick) > '96+: 31 33 2 227 902 (3mm thick) > 31 33 2 227 901 (9mm thick) ...for the ultimate in front jacked up look > or maybe use these with Eibach springs for increased spring rate, but not > as > drastic as a drop in the front? ....oooohhhh... Or you can get the > bavauto > spring hats that drop the front 10mm and use these to get an overall 1mm > drop > :) I have always wondered about those BMP (note correction: not Bavarian Autosport) 10 mm drop spring hats. BMP's catalog specifically excludes them for M3 usage. I don't know why. I keep threatening to drive over to Tyler and inspect them to see if they will/won't work. They seem like a neat, although expensive at $160, way to get 3/8 inch drop with no change in spring rate or ride comfort. Chester - I assume the 9mm spring pad is for the 96+ hats only since it is just one number off the other pad. FYI: I know that you can use the smaller diameter 96+ springs on 95 hats if you remove the rubber pad. It is then metal to metal contact. Friend of mine bought some used H&R springs from a 96+ M3 for his 95 M3. We tried to put it together and found out the springs would not work. I was about to put the stock springs back in and try it again after we bought new hats to fit. But we removed the rubber washer and the springs fit perfectly. So we proceeded. I told him it would probably make squeaking sounds. He needed to buy the proper hats and rubber spring pad. We would have to tear it apart again to put the new hats in. Well.... he claims it never did squeak so we left it alone. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 BMW CCA #131505
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Re: Leithauser M3 for sale (was '99 M3 as a race car ...) - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:39:14 -0500 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Leithauser M3 for sale (was '99 M3 as a race car ...) > -----Original Message----- > From: KLchmn@aol.com [mailto:KLchmn@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:15 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Re: Leithauser M3 for sale (was '99 M3 as a race car > ...) > > Yep, but sometimes the laws of physics won't let you take a > corner on all 4. > This isn't the only car out there lifting a front inside wheel > going around a > corner. If you really want to see a wheel in the air, check out > some of the > photos of autocrossers at the Nat'l championships in Topeka. > Grippy concrete > surface and sticky tires will wreak havoc on even Moton damped cars. > BZZZT.....Autocrossing and racing are two different things. You set the cars up two totally different ways and cannot be used for this comparison. Yes it does grip in autocrossing but try that on a race car on the track and I don't think it will work. Seth Thomas www.m3ltw.com
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#7. FS: Racing Dynamics Sway Bars for E36 3-series - from Peter Guagenti
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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 09:00:49 -0800 From: Peter Guagenti <peter@guagenti.com> Subject: FS: Racing Dynamics Sway Bars for E36 3-series Subject line says it all. These bars will fit any E36 3-series, including M3. Includes both bars, poly bushings, and adjustable rear links. These weren't on the car very long, and were replaced with UUC Motorwerks sway bars in preparation for OTC. Asking $250 obo. E-mail with questions. -peterg
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#8. How to fix steering wheel squeak - from David Flanary
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:07:36 -0800 From: "David Flanary" <dflanary@markhamvineyards.com> Subject: How to fix steering wheel squeak My steering wheel has started to make a squeaking noise (50k miles). I am assuming this is at the "slip ring" behind the wheel. A review of the archives seems to point to this part needing either replacement or a little lubrication. I have removed the steering column trim and can see a black circle directly behind the steering wheel, which I assume is the slip ring. The question is where exactly do I need to apply lubrication? David W. Flanary Markham Vineyards 99///M3 w/a squeak
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Leithauser M3 for sale (was '99 M3 as a race car ...) - from John Van Houten
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:20:59 -0600 From: "John Van Houten" <jvh_lists@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Leithauser M3 for sale (was '99 M3 as a race car ...) > I think the suspension setup could be a bit better too, in my recent reading on vehicle dynamics I am learing that 4 wheels on the ground is much better than 3 or 2. James Clay (BimmerWorld) has sucessfuly developed a setup that accomplishes this, and yes it is super fast. Well, in SCCA T2 you are restricted on what you can change on the suspension, so if you use the ultra-stiff MASR bars, you are going to lift the inside front. In T2, you can only run: Springs: Stock CSL Springs (31-33-4-492-719 (f), 33-55-4-492-720 (r)) HR Sport Springs (29910-2) until 1/1/03 HR Group G Springs (RG-E30-F-100 (f), RG-E36-R-100 (r)) Sway Bars: Stock Moutain Autosport Racing sways (MASRE36M3) Which is fairly restrictive unless you get "creative" ;-) John
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#10. Re: [E36M3] FS: '99 M3 as a race car or chassis/motor package - from John Van Houten
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:34:50 -0600 From: "John Van Houten" <jvh_lists@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] FS: '99 M3 as a race car or chassis/motor package > According to what/how I read the BMWCCA rules (and from what I've seen > when I ran last year); the cage is legal in Prepared. For the interior, > you are required to maintain the interior door panels and dash; so > what's missing is the passenger side door panel. The only possible gray area on the cage is the going to the front struts towers. I thought the only change from the stock classes was the ability to go to the rear shock towers. IIRC, the previous language specified something about not going through the front firewall, but it appears to have softened some. Just to be safe I would get a ruling from the Tech Steward, which should be fairly easy with the pictures on the website. Nicely done cage, btw. John