E36M3 #2822

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 02:36:56

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Austin BMW service suggestions - from Mike McCune
#2. RE: Driver's ed intercoms - from Marc Plante
#3. Subject: Spring Suggestion - from Mo Karamat
#4. Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? - from Rob
#5. Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? - from Michael
#6. Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? - from Chester Wong
#7. Service I or 2? - from Scott McClung
#8. RE: [E36M3] Best street brake pad... - from Rob Birkhead
#9. Re: Helmet Radio - from Jim Mihal
#10. Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? - from Michael

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Austin BMW service suggestions - from Mike McCune
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:49:06 -0600 From: "Mike McCune" <mikem@suds.org> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Austin BMW service suggestions I've worked with both Black Forest Werkshop up North: http://www.blackforestwerkshop.com/ and my preferred service location is Terry Sayther Automotive: http://www.terrysaytherauto.com/ Terry's place is a bit "weird", but honestly, he has a great crew, loves to explain everything, and does great work. Mike 95 M3 94 525iT -----Original Message----- From: Allen Hyman [mailto:allen.hyman@starcore-dsp.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:06 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Austin BMW service suggestions Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:02:40 -0600 From: "Allen Hyman" <allen.hyman@starcore-dsp.com> Subject: Austin BMW service suggestions I just moved to the Austin area and would like to know if anyone know of a good place to get my M3 serviced in the area? =20 Thanks, Al Hyman 99 M3 =20 ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

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#2. RE: Driver's ed intercoms - from Marc Plante
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:17:31 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <marc@plante.com> Subject: RE: Driver's ed intercoms Buy a Chatterbox model 50 and get a student's headset. The Nady's are crap. You get to install two ear speakers and a mic in your helmet which help you hear your student hyperventilating much better. Also, it may look cool to mount the unit on your helmet, but it makes it really hard to get to power and volume controls in the car. Just leave it loose. The link below has them fairly cheap. http://www.accwhse.com/ Marc Plante E36 325i, 209k Vienna, VA

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#3. Subject: Spring Suggestion - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:59:45 -0500 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: Subject: Spring Suggestion Ahmed, Hello. I have koni SA's on my car with the Eibach springs. The springs did lower the car fairly significantly, but the ride is still very nice. I do not know how the springs will work with the Bilsteins though.. Perhaps someone else has this setup?? I do remember a LONG thread on the list when the discussion revolved around springs.. I believe that the outcome was that the Eibach's work better with our cars.. I do know several people who have swapped out the H&R's with Eibach's.. Another data point. Have fun! Mo 98 M3/4 91 325IX. 89 325IX (for sale) -------------------- 2 -------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:59:10 +0000 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Spring Suggestion Hello everyone, On my 98 I installed a set of Bilsteins at 60K. I want to keep the car AS STOCK as possible. My 97 had Bisteins/H&R Sports/RD and now driving the 98 its sooo much pleasurable on the streets. I will only be doing 6-8 track days a year now. What springs should I use? 1) Stock- but with Bilsteins it sits a full inch higer in the front. I dont care about the looks but center of gravity? 2) H&R OE- will it get rid of the extra height I have gained? I know the spring rate is as stiff as the Sport. I dont want to sacrafice the ride too much. Turner said the car will still sit higher (anyone expereinced this?) 3) Eibach- A bit lower than # 2 and the spring rates are lower too. Any experiences? Are swaybar optional or would I need a set to finetune the handling? I have camber shims to get a tid bit beyond -2 camber up front. Thanks in advance. Ahmad 98 Boston Green in Atlanta _________________________________________________________________

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? - from Rob
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:18:35 -0700 From: "Rob" <speedmaster@telus.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? Chester wrote: > What is your bleeding technique? I've found that pressure bleeders that force > the air through the fluid do not do a good job. > I was using the good 'ol two person method. Pump the brakes, unscrew the bleeder, tighten and repeat. I do have a vacuum style bleeder but I've never used it. Other ideas on how to improve the feel? I find the E36 brake feel makes me want to sell it and buy a 993! I should note that my last 2 M3s have felt like this, but this time it is really bothering me...maybe I need to quit driving my buddy's F360 :) Rob

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? - from Michael
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:24:19 -0500 From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? Poor pedal feel in an E36 M3? hmm I have found it to be one of the best of any car on the market today. Havent put a 360 thru its paces to compare it, but among the many, many other cars I have driven, a M3 is up there with the best of them. I would strongly believe that there is something not right in your system. Maybe a bad master cylinder or air somewhere. On both M3s I have owned, the pedal moved about 3-5 inches and then had rock solid pedal feel. Also pad type affects it aswell. I personally use Hawks and believe there is no comparison to anything else. The stock Jurids also had a good 'bite' for a stock pad. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <speedmaster@telus.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:18:35 -0700 > From: "Rob" <speedmaster@telus.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? > > Chester wrote: > > > > What is your bleeding technique? I've found that pressure bleeders that > force > > the air through the fluid do not do a good job. > > > > I was using the good 'ol two person method. Pump the brakes, unscrew the > bleeder, tighten and repeat. I do have a vacuum style bleeder but I've never > used it. > > Other ideas on how to improve the feel? I find the E36 brake feel makes me > want to sell it and buy a 993! I should note that my last 2 M3s have felt > like this, but this time it is really bothering me...maybe I need to quit > driving my buddy's F360 :) > > Rob > > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:32:03 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? --- Michael <95m3ltw@charter.net> wrote: > Poor pedal feel in an E36 M3? hmm I have found it to be one of the best of > any car on the market today. Havent put a 360 thru its paces to compare it, > but among the many, many other cars I have driven, a M3 is up there with the > best of them. Well, there is some slop in a floating caliper setup. After putting the Movit front and rear kits on my car the pedal is rock solid. Once they grab (and it's very little pedal displacement) there's very little movement afterwards. Heel-toeing in my car is real easy because the pedals are even. I drove Wayne's E46M3 and I think the brake pedal sits higher, which was the complete opposite of his old E36. But I imagine the 993, 996 or 360 with fixed caliper setups feel a bit better. Chester =====

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#7. Service I or 2? - from Scott McClung
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:44:41 -0800 From: Scott McClung <scott.mcclung@ubicom.com> Subject: Service I or 2? Update on my service lights - the yellow finally lit today, and like I figured it says Inspection. Also says Oil Service, even tho I attempted to reset the oil service lights with my Peake tool just a week ago.... But anyway, I think this is the Insp II interval but I wanted to make sure. Insp I was done at 16K miles. I'm at 35K miles now. Car is exactly 4 years old. Sound like the first Insp II to y'all? Also - is RennWerks in Mt. View, CA a good shop? I got a $50 off coupon in the mail not too long ago I could use. I think these are the guys who were heavily into autoxing these cars? Scott '98 M3/4

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#8. RE: [E36M3] Best street brake pad... - from Rob Birkhead
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:29:53 -0800 From: Rob Birkhead <rbirkz@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Best street brake pad... I have to second Chris's recommendation for the Axxis Ultimates. Very best street/auto-x pad out there. Contact me if you are interested and I can send you detailed information. I also offer all board members special pricing. Rob Birkhead MPact Motorsports -----Original Message----- From: Chris Teague [mailto:cteague@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:16 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Best street brake pad... Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:10:57 -0800 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Best street brake pad... Juan, I am very happy with the Axxis Ultimate's that PeterG recommended. less dust than stock, and more grip, and no squeal, and a nice linear feel. What more could you want? This is for street/autox only, I have never tracked my car. Chris 97 M3/4 ************************************************************* List Commands UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). To issue a command/request to the server: Send a message with the command you wish executed as the subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. *************************************************************

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#9. Re: Helmet Radio - from Jim Mihal
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:29:26 -0800 From: "Jim Mihal" <jmihal@jt-designs.com> Subject: Re: Helmet Radio Check PCI race radios intercomm system. You can use it in conjunction with a pit crew should you someday wish to. I have several thousand miles of off road experience with these, they are excellent. www.pciraceradios.com/docs/intercoms.html Good Luck, Jim Mihal Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:28:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Helmet radio I'm looking to purchase a helmet-to-helmet communication device for use in driving instruction. -snip-

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? - from Michael
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 03:32:25 -0500 From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? Having driven all types of stuff on the track and M3s with every type of big brake kit, it becomes more of an issue of where you like the brake pedal to be for heel/toe. My LTW is perfect for my big feet, where as some of the cars that are supposed to be great for Heel/toe arent for me, I have to bend my foot too much to do it. I also havent been impressed with the big brake kits either for feel. I think the stock brakes are ok until you reach the Bmod level. I know of a couple of HP M3s that have done just fine setting fastest laps on stock brakes for the last couple years with no issues. For reference, on my M3 with superblue, hawk blues, the brake pedal at maxium braking is about dead even to just a bit lower than the throttle pedal. Just wondering has anyone done any scientific tests of stock M3 brakes vs upgraded brakes in braking distance? The few I have seen resulted in NIL, 0, notta in performance. I guess the theory would be after 50 stops, the big brakes should perform near stock levels while the stock have faded. I plan on doing extensive testing this spring summer of all the brake kits if budget allows, just so I know which one to sell or improve on, lol. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chester Wong" <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:32:03 -0800 (PST) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Poor pedal feel - will rebuild help? > > > --- Michael <95m3ltw@charter.net> wrote: > > Poor pedal feel in an E36 M3? hmm I have found it to be one of the best of > > any car on the market today. Havent put a 360 thru its paces to compare it, > > but among the many, many other cars I have driven, a M3 is up there with the > > best of them. > > Well, there is some slop in a floating caliper setup. After putting the Movit > front and rear kits on my car the pedal is rock solid. Once they grab (and > it's very little pedal displacement) there's very little movement afterwards. > Heel-toeing in my car is real easy because the pedals are even. I drove > Wayne's E46M3 and I think the brake pedal sits higher, which was the complete > opposite of his old E36. > > But I imagine the 993, 996 or 360 with fixed caliper setups feel a bit better. > > Chester > > ===== > > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >

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