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#1. RE: Ground Control Coilover Set-ups - from kitwetzler@mindspring.com
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:59:50 -0500 From: "kitwetzler@mindspring.com" <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: Ground Control Coilover Set-ups Here's what I would run if I could do my suspension all over. The ground control shortened rear konis require an 11.5 MAXIMUM rear ride height, from center of the wheel to fender lip. This is pretty low, the rear tire is tucked quite a bit. (someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I got this from a guy at ground control that wasn't Jay) Then, I'd run double adjustable konis in the front. Keeps the car more stable under trail braking, plus gives fantastic turn in. 400 lb/in springs in the front, 525 barrel shaped springs in the rear. GC upper shock mounts. For camber plates, I'd be willing to give the new GC plates a try... -kit -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
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#2. Anyone with a 4D E36 live near Martinsville, IN? - from James Clay
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:22:05 -0500 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: Anyone with a 4D E36 live near Martinsville, IN? It is just south of Indy... -------------------------------------------------------------------- James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com Engineered BMW Performance Genuine and OEM BMW Parts 540.639.9648 --------------------------------------------------------------------
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Ground Control Coilover Set-ups - from Dave Kelley
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:22:16 -0500 From: "Dave Kelley" <d.kelley@usa.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Ground Control Coilover Set-ups Rich, I recently received my new GC suspension, but its not installed yet. I went with 600#/700# springs (a more track oriented setup) with Koni DA fronts with the new hybrid camber plates. I'm using my existing rear Koni SA's with GC street RSM's. The RSM's are fine for street. So I can't tell you much now, but will soon! Dave Kelley > Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:01:08 -0500 > From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> > Subject: Ground Control Coilover Set-ups > > Another alternative I am considering is the Ground Control set-up with the Koni SAs and Eibach springs ($1,199 and it comes with the springs and shocks, including front struts complete). I know they have multiple springs rates available with the Eibach springs. The front springs are in the ~3XX-4XX ft. lb. range and the rears in the ~4XX-5XX ft. lb. range. Sometimes the rear springs are cylindrical, sometimes they are barrel shaped. > > So, is anyone using this set-up for street and track (DE events)? What do you think of it? What was the exact GC set-up you went with (i.e., spring rates)? I am leaning towards more of a street set-up FWIW. > > Also, any comments on the new hybrid GC camber/caster plates ($399)? GC claims they aren't harsh on the street as some other designs (i.e., TC Kline) as the spherical bushings don't carry the entire load of the front of the car. I believe these are fairly new. Anyone know more about them? > > Finally, any comments on the GC rear shock mounts (which are basically required with the GC coilover set-up)? Are these a urethane design as compared to the monoball TCK set-up? > > Best regards, > > Rich > > 95 M3 > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > > >
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#4. Re: Ground Control Coilover Set-ups - from James Clay
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:30:05 -0500 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: Re: Ground Control Coilover Set-ups We sell Ground Control parts and I would be happy to give you my recommendations, but they aren't the same as Jay's always and I don't compete with them if you have already been working with them. Our Street/Track setup is 375F/600R, M3 Bilstein Sports, some bushings, and either adjustable or 96+ M3 camber plates. No bar set, works like our World Challenge and IT racecars. James -------------------------------------------------------------------- James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com Engineered BMW Performance Genuine and OEM BMW Parts 540.639.9648 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Cc: <kqkq@nc.rr.com>; <james@bimmerworld.com>; <aabel@austin.rr.com>; <josh_wyte@yahoo.com>; <GGray657@aol.com>; <kitwetzler@mindspring.com>; <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com>; <AVUSM3@aol.com>; <sean.silva@crbard.com>; <TFRM3@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: Ground Control Coilover Set-ups Another alternative I am considering is the Ground Control set-up with the Koni SAs and Eibach springs ($1,199 and it comes with the springs and shocks, including front struts complete). I know they have multiple springs rates available with the Eibach springs. The front springs are in the ~3XX-4XX ft. lb. range and the rears in the ~4XX-5XX ft. lb. range. Sometimes the rear springs are cylindrical, sometimes they are barrel shaped. So, is anyone using this set-up for street and track (DE events)? What do you think of it? What was the exact GC set-up you went with (i.e., spring rates)? I am leaning towards more of a street set-up FWIW. Also, any comments on the new hybrid GC camber/caster plates ($399)? GC claims they aren't harsh on the street as some other designs (i.e., TC Kline) as the spherical bushings don't carry the entire load of the front of the car. I believe these are fairly new. Anyone know more about them? Finally, any comments on the GC rear shock mounts (which are basically required with the GC coilover set-up)? Are these a urethane design as compared to the monoball TCK set-up? Best regards, Rich 95 M3
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Another Spring/Shock Question - from bmw
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:39:08 -0800 (PST) From: bmw <m3lawdawg@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Another Spring/Shock Question I had the euro springs on my 95 M3 nad they lowered the car .5" all around, this was with Koni SA shocks. The ride was very good not harsh. I still have the springs and would consider selling if anyone is interested. Tony __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Ground Control Coilover Set-ups - from Doug Wirth
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:40:36 -0800 From: Doug Wirth <DWirth@serena.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Ground Control Coilover Set-ups I have the 6" 375 front Koni SAs and 5 1/2 rear short Konis 475. Its a great setup, NO Camber plates at this point. The car handles great, This is great for a street/track car. Its my daily driver Doug Wirth *********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ***********************************************************************
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#7. Re: Moving a Trailer - from m3ltw@msn.com
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:53:21 -0500 From: m3ltw@msn.com Subject: Re: Moving a Trailer > Wrom: AAFXISHJEXXIMQZUIVOTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWO > > Considering buying an aluminum, open trailer in Lansing, MI. Need to get > it to Las Vegas. Anyone got any ideas/recommendations/assistance on cost > effective ways of getting it to Las Vegas without having to drive all > the way to Lansing to pick it up. TIA. You may spend more in transporting the trailer than any savings in buying it in MI, unless towing is a viable option (and even that costs several hundred+ in fuel, lodging, food, time, etc). Try contacting several moving, shipping companies. Also, ask trailer manufacturers (pretend you bought one of their trailers) how they get their trailers around the country. FYI, the high shipping costs are one reason why most trailer companies are regional. Who wants to pay $500 shipping on a $1,500 open trailer? Dan
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#8. A bit OT: Disputing a handicap parking violation - from Jay
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:20:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jay <jlafoi49@yahoo.com> Subject: A bit OT: Disputing a handicap parking violation Bear with me here.... Just got hit with a $275 fine for parking in a handicap spot and wanted to fight it. While waiting in a torrential rainstorm for my co-workers to load some crap into my 95 M3 (trying to stay on topic), I decide to park in a space close-by since they said they'd be out in "five minutes". Eight minutes later, a sherrif's cruiser blocks the front of my car, he comes out and says "This is a handicap spot & you don't have a placard". Then, he slaps me with a $275 citation. OK, so I was a dumbass to park there, I learned my lesson and should've been told to park elsewhere in the rush of traffic, rain and stray shopping carts. But no, not today. Now, I have to pony up almost 3 bills or write a formal appeal. So, has anyone successfully fought one of these? I don't think I have much of a chance...plus, he did snap a picture. Might as well give it a shot.... Thanks, J __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
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#9. RE: Ground Control Coilover Set-ups - from K Quistorff
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:30:29 -0500 From: "K Quistorff" <kqkq@nc.rr.com> Subject: RE: Ground Control Coilover Set-ups I believe the reason the shorted rear Konis require an 11.5 in. maximum ride height is because any higher will result in the rear springs binding before the bump stops compress. I ran into this problem with my GC set up - the springs coil bound long before any bumpstop contact, even with 11.5 in height and the longer (7 in.) springs. It took a discussion with Jay at GC, followed by him testing my exact set-up on his M3, to confirm my insistance that the 6 in. springs they sent me initially would not work, and that GC failed to supply a second pair of bumpstops for the rear shocks (which are 2 in. long ea). This means you have to run two (stacked) bumpstops per side, which makes it a bit more difficult to make damping adjustments, as you have to remove the bumpstops to adjust damping. The shortened shocks also use a sheet metal shell that's welded to the top of the shock instead of a rubber dust boot - this requires the bumpstops to be installed by splitting them and feeding them into a small opening between the shock body and shell. 11.5 in. is fairly low, but it's actually only about an inch lower than stock - I don't find it to be a problem, as long as you negotiate speed bumps slowly. Keith Q. Cary, NC 1996 M3 -----Original Message----- From: kitwetzler@mindspring.com [mailto:kitwetzler@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:00 PM To: rdorffer@cleindians.com; e36m3@bmw-m.net; kqkq@nc.rr.com; james@bimmerworld.com; aabel@austin.rr.com; josh_wyte@yahoo.com; ggray657@aol.com; chester_p_wong@yahoo.com; avusm3@aol.com; sean.silva@crbard.com; tfrm3@aol.com Subject: RE: Ground Control Coilover Set-ups Here's what I would run if I could do my suspension all over. The ground control shortened rear konis require an 11.5 MAXIMUM rear ride height, from center of the wheel to fender lip. This is pretty low, the rear tire is tucked quite a bit. (someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I got this from a guy at ground control that wasn't Jay) Then, I'd run double adjustable konis in the front. Keeps the car more stable under trail braking, plus gives fantastic turn in. 400 lb/in springs in the front, 525 barrel shaped springs in the rear. GC upper shock mounts. For camber plates, I'd be willing to give the new GC plates a try... -kit -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
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#10. Re: [E36M3] A bit OT: Disputing a handicap parking violation - from Michael
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:45:59 -0500 From: "Michael" <95m3ltw@charter.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] A bit OT: Disputing a handicap parking violation Are you handicapped? besides just needing a good parking place? Pay up then. That is one of the few laws that actually makes sense and should be enforced 110% and with very steep fines. I have a relative that is handicaped and just watching the crap they go thru to park, ask people to move etc is just beyond belief. And the #1 excuse is always, we were just going to be a minute. Guess what, she usually doesnt have the ability to get out and ask someone to move without taking 15 mins! Drive around the block and then when you need to load something, just stop in the front of the building. Never heard of a cop writing a ticket for that. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay" <jlafoi49@yahoo.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 7:26 PM Subject: [E36M3] A bit OT: Disputing a handicap parking violation > Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:20:00 -0800 (PST) > From: Jay <jlafoi49@yahoo.com> > Subject: A bit OT: Disputing a handicap parking violation > > Bear with me here.... > > Just got hit with a $275 fine for parking in a > handicap spot and wanted to fight it. While waiting in > a torrential rainstorm for my co-workers to load some > crap into my 95 M3 (trying to stay on topic), I decide > to park in a space close-by since they said they'd be > out in "five minutes". Eight minutes later, a > sherrif's cruiser blocks the front of my car, he comes > out and says "This is a handicap spot & you don't have > a placard". Then, he slaps me with a $275 citation. > > OK, so I was a dumbass to park there, I learned my > lesson and should've been told to park elsewhere in > the rush of traffic, rain and stray shopping carts. > But no, not today. Now, I have to pony up almost 3 > bills or write a formal appeal. > > So, has anyone successfully fought one of these? I > don't think I have much of a chance...plus, he did > snap a picture. Might as well give it a shot.... > > Thanks, > J > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > ************************************************************* > List Commands > UNSUBSCRIBE - (in subject line) unsubscribes you from the mailing list. > DIR - sends a listing of files available in the list's GET directory. > GET filename1.ext,filename2.ext - sends the requested file(s). > > To issue a command/request to the server: > Send a message with the command you wish executed as the > subject of the message to the email address e36m3@bmw-m.net. > ************************************************************* > >
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#11. RE: [E36M3] RE: Ground Control Coilover Set-ups - from Doug Wirth
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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:51:16 -0800 From: Doug Wirth <DWirth@serena.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Ground Control Coilover Set-ups My rear GC koni shocks do not have an external shell. any adjustments are done by a dial from within the trunk, you do not need to remove them to make adjustments. Yes, I do have to go very slow over speed bumps. I am running 11 3/4 height in the rear. I have had my setup for about a month. GC is about 15 miles from me and I went up there to talk with them. The rears are some brand new konis that they just got in. I have not had any coil bind issues yet, but my wheel travel is only about 2-3 inches. Doug Wirth *********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ***********************************************************************