E36M3 #2860

Wednesday, January 08, 2003 13:36:52

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#1. Re: BBS Wheels - from ERogers005@aol.com
#2. MANIFOLD FLOW - from kim.burgess@att.net
#3. FS: New Sparco Stuff - from Chris Salter
#4. Re: Throttle-Body Dividends? - from Dave Lehmann
#5. test - from Sue Kraft
#6. FS: New Sparco Stuff ( more info) - from Chris Salter
#7. Re: [E36M3] MANIFOLD FLOW - from Chester Wong
#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Throttle-Body Dividends? - from Chester Wong
#9. Re: Throttle-Body Dividends? - from Dave Lehmann
#10. Schroth Harness Group Buy - from DocWyte

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#1. Re: BBS Wheels - from ERogers005@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:16:31 EST From: ERogers005@aol.com Subject: Re: BBS Wheels Hi suzy, Try Conversion Techniques in Oakland. They are a dealer for BBS and cater extensively to the BMW crowd. I don't have the phone # handy, but they're located on Bigge St. Ask for John Sian. Happy New Year Ed Rogers In a message dated 1/6/03 1:01:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, e36m3@bmw-m.net writes: > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:18:48 -0600 > From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> > Subject: Best price on BBS wheels? > > Any recommendations on where to purchase a set of BBS wheels? The best > price I have found so far is The Wheel Source. Anything better? > > Suzy >

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#2. MANIFOLD FLOW - from kim.burgess@att.net
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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 03:32:42 +0000 From: kim.burgess@att.net Subject: MANIFOLD FLOW YO KIT - I was under the impression that the intake improvements were only realized on the OD-I engines? Do you have pictures to show the differential sizes? Potentially if the reduction in port size is in the manifold (smaller in manifold) and not at the head - then it is port velocity that is achieved and manifold-to-head port matching is not required for peak flow from the factory. I believe someone on this list has accomplished quite a bit of flow bench testing and determined no benefit to the OB-II flow numbers. The smallest point in the intake tract is the ASC throttle body. Even when fully open, it is the smallest point. Last weekend, I replaced my 97 m3's intake manifold and the ASC throttle body with an OBD-1 intake manifold and an M-roadster intake boot. Car feels much faster, although with some loss of torque around 3000 rpm... it feels a lot faster after 4000rpm though. I would do the intake manifold and remove the ASC, first. The intake manifold on the 3.2l cars is TINY! the intake ports are sized for the obd-1 manifold, and the manifold ports are about 50% smaller than the intake ports. -kit

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#3. FS: New Sparco Stuff - from Chris Salter
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:00:51 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Salter <errsomeone@yahoo.com> Subject: FS: New Sparco Stuff All, I've got some extra parts that I will not be using... These parts are NEW and never installed or used in any way. 1) One set of BLUE 3" Sparco camlock 5pt harnesses. 48" shoulder belt. Also with mounting bolts. -- $200.00 2) One Sparco Pro2000 seat in black -- $375.00 (also have side mounts available for this seat, and a custom E36 mounting bracket but are not included) I would preferr to not ship the seat since I do not have a box large enough for it. I am located in Raleigh, NC but will be in Georgetown (DC) this weekend and can bring it. Thanks - Chris Salter __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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#4. Re: Throttle-Body Dividends? - from Dave Lehmann
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 01:08:03 -0500 From: "Dave Lehmann" <bmwracefan@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Throttle-Body Dividends? >On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 1 jon@maximumpc.com (Jon Phillips) wrote: > >I'm looking for input from people who've added a larger-bore throttle body to an >existing cold-air intake/chip upgrade situation. In short, what kind of performance >gains, if any, did you feel on the butt dyno when you added the throttle body to an >existing CAI/chip combo? > >I have a 97 coupe, with the Dinan/chip/exhaust package, and I'm thinking of >getting a throttle-body upgrade, but would like some input first. > >BTW: I don't care if your experience is with Dinan parts or other parts. >I'm just interested in hearing opinions from people who've done the same >type of upgrades in the order described above. Thanks in advance! I had a 1996 Dinan Signature Series 328i (serial number D36-328-003) with the Dinan throttle body. There was a definite improvement in throttle response. It was WELL worth the money. It was an add on to my package as it did not come with the initial Dinan Signature equipment for 1996. Get it along with the Dinan DME upgrade. Dave

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#5. test - from Sue Kraft
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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 06:49:12 -0600 From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: test You passed! :-) Suzy E36M3 list mistress

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#6. FS: New Sparco Stuff ( more info) - from Chris Salter
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 07:52:10 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Salter <errsomeone@yahoo.com> Subject: FS: New Sparco Stuff ( more info) Sorry for the repost, but I've been asked to post the manufacture date for the harness. It was March 02. -Chris --- Chris Salter <errsomeone@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:00:51 -0800 (PST) > From: Chris Salter <errsomeone@yahoo.com> > Subject: FS: New Sparco Stuff > To: E30 M3 List <e30m3-list@bimmers.com>, E36 M3 > List <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > > All, > > I've got some extra parts that I will not be > using... > These parts are NEW and never installed or used in > any > way. > > 1) One set of BLUE 3" Sparco camlock 5pt harnesses. > 48" shoulder belt. Also with mounting bolts. -- > $200.00 > > 2) One Sparco Pro2000 seat in black -- $375.00 (also > have side mounts available for this seat, and a > custom > E36 mounting bracket but are not included) > > I would preferr to not ship the seat since I do not > have a box large enough for it. I am located in > Raleigh, NC but will be in Georgetown (DC) this > weekend and can bring it. > > Thanks - Chris Salter __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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#7. Re: [E36M3] MANIFOLD FLOW - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:10:32 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] MANIFOLD FLOW Not sure where you remember from the flow not being significantly different, but here's the link: http://www.bmw-m.net/techdata/m50vsm52.htm When Wayne installed his cam kit, we did the intake manifold first and he drove the car around. Impressions were just like what Kit noticed: a lost of oomph at 3000rpms but then it kicks in above that and feels much better. Where the OBDII manifolded engine feels like it's suffocating at the upper rev band, the OBDI manifolded 3.2L feels like it'll keep going. Throw in the cams and hang on! :) Chester --- kim.burgess@att.net wrote: > Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 03:32:42 +0000 > From: kim.burgess@att.net > Subject: MANIFOLD FLOW > > YO KIT - I was under the impression that the intake improvements were only > realized on the OD-I engines? Do you have pictures to show the differential > sizes? Potentially if the reduction in port size is in the manifold (smaller > in > manifold) and not at the head - then it is port velocity that is achieved and > > manifold-to-head port matching is not required for peak flow from the > factory. > I believe someone on this list has accomplished quite a bit of flow bench > testing and determined no benefit to the OB-II flow numbers. =====

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Throttle-Body Dividends? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:12:55 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Throttle-Body Dividends? --- Dave Lehmann <bmwracefan@hotmail.com> wrote: > Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 01:08:03 -0500 > From: "Dave Lehmann" <bmwracefan@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Throttle-Body Dividends? > > >On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 1 jon@maximumpc.com (Jon Phillips) wrote: > > > >I'm looking for input from people who've added a larger-bore throttle body > to an >existing cold-air intake/chip upgrade situation. In short, what kind > of performance >gains, if any, did you feel on the butt dyno when you added > the throttle body to an > >existing CAI/chip combo? > > > >I have a 97 coupe, with the Dinan/chip/exhaust package, and I'm thinking of > >getting a throttle-body upgrade, but would like some input first. > > > >BTW: I don't care if your experience is with Dinan parts or other parts. > >I'm just interested in hearing opinions from people who've done the same > >type of upgrades in the order described above. Thanks in advance! > > I had a 1996 Dinan Signature Series 328i (serial number D36-328-003) with > the Dinan throttle body. There was a definite improvement in throttle > response. It was WELL worth the money. It was an add on to my package as > it did not come with the initial Dinan Signature equipment for 1996. Get it > along with the Dinan DME upgrade. The Dinan throttle enlarged throttle body is just the throttle body, correct? If so, then it will be completely worthless if you have a car with traction control. Unless you enlarge the traction control throttle body, you're still breathing through that small opening. What Kit Wetzler did was chuck the ASC throttle body and used the '97 M Roadster intake boot which is a ninety degree elbow that goes from the throttle body directly to the intake manifold. The standard intake boot on a ASC equipped car is a 45 degree job. Chester Chester =====

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#9. Re: Throttle-Body Dividends? - from Dave Lehmann
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:44:38 -0500 From: "Dave Lehmann" <bmwracefan@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Throttle-Body Dividends? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chester Wong" <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:12 AM > > >On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 1 jon@maximumpc.com (Jon Phillips) wrote: > > > > > >I'm looking for input from people who've added a larger-bore throttle body > > to an >existing cold-air intake/chip upgrade situation. In short, what kind > > of performance >gains, if any, did you feel on the butt dyno when you added > > the throttle body to an > > >existing CAI/chip combo? > > > > > >I have a 97 coupe, with the Dinan/chip/exhaust package, and I'm thinking of > > >getting a throttle-body upgrade, but would like some input first. > > > > > >BTW: I don't care if your experience is with Dinan parts or other parts. > > >I'm just interested in hearing opinions from people who've done the same > > >type of upgrades in the order described above. Thanks in advance! *********************************************************************** >>Dave Lehmann <bmwracefan@hotmail.com> wrote: >>Wed, 8 Jan 2003 01:08:03 -0500 >> >> > > I had a 1996 Dinan Signature Series 328i (serial number D36-328-003) with > > the Dinan throttle body. There was a definite improvement in throttle > > response. It was WELL worth the money. It was an add on to my package as > > it did not come with the initial Dinan Signature equipment for 1996. Get it > > along with the Dinan DME upgrade. ************************************************************************ > "Chester Wong" <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> >Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:12 AM > > The Dinan throttle enlarged throttle body is just the throttle body, correct? > If so, then it will be completely worthless if you have a car with traction > control. Unless you enlarge the traction control throttle body, you're still > breathing through that small opening. > > What Kit Wetzler did was chuck the ASC throttle body and used the '97 M > Roadster intake boot which is a ninety degree elbow that goes from the throttle > body directly to the intake manifold. The standard intake boot on a ASC > equipped car is a 45 degree job. > > Chester > ********************************************************************* Chester's right. I didn't think about the traction control issue as I didn't have it on my '96. '97's and later had them. I did get a noticeable improvement in throttle response with that car. Dave

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#10. Schroth Harness Group Buy - from DocWyte
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:34:18 -0800 (PST) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Schroth Harness Group Buy Hi all, I just wanted to post this again in case some of you didn't see it the first time around. I've organized a group buy on the new Schroth harness "clip in, clip out" harnesses for our M3's. Please go to the following url to see pics and a description of them. http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/newstore.php?m=12&sub=383#702 They are available in black with silver lettering and red with black lettering only. I can also get the harness pulls and shoulder pads as well. Price is $185 per harness, plus shipping. I can also get the "traditional" bolt in schroth harnesses, email me with any questions and if you'd like to participate in the group buy. Thanks! -josh ===== Josh Wyte Momentum Motorsports 508-833-3024 After 5 pm EST __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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