E36M3 #2877

Tuesday, January 14, 2003 14:23:17

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#1. Re: BMW CCA Elections - from Boen168@aol.com
#2. Re: [E36M3] Optima Battery? - from Ron Buchalski
#3. Re: [E36M3] Optima Battery? - from Rex Tener
#4. Re: [E36M3] New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 - from Neil Maller
#5. Re: [E36M3] New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 - from Skip Bogard
#6. RE: [E36M3] New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 - from Seth Thomas
#7. Re: Z3 Reinforcement Plates & GC RSMs - from Riley, Scott
#8. Re: New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 - from Neil Maller
#9. Re: [E36M3] Rim Question - from Jason Knight
#10. re: Free Roundel to Good Home - from Riley, Scott
#11. Re: Rim Question - from JUSTIN GERRY
#12. RE: New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 - from Riley, Scott

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#1. Re: BMW CCA Elections - from Boen168@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:42:50 EST From: Boen168@aol.com Subject: Re: BMW CCA Elections Gruppe, Very sorry for the off-topic. The following is a candidate statement from To= m=20 Soule, running for the position of National Treasurer: > This comes to you as an encouragement to vote in the National BMW CCA=20 > election going on now! > As you know I am running for the National Treasurer and would appreciate=20 > your vote.=A0 > =A0 > I have my own accounting firm and do many tax returns for non-profit=20 > organizations.=A0 In attending the BMW CCA meetings for presidents and=20 > treasurers I have discussed club accounting, budgets, and tax issues with=20 > previous club treasurers, Tammy Hull and Kathy Lyle and am familiar with=20 > potential issues of concern between the BMW CCA and the IRS. > =A0 > Serving my community has always been a priority to me.=A0 I have donated m= any=20 > hours to community organizations such as the Chamber of Commerce and the=20 > Fernando Award Foundation which honors volunteerism in my community. I was= =20 > named the Small Business Person of the Year by a California legislator and= =20 > most recently was chosen as one of the Top 25 CPAs in the San Fernando=20 > Valley. > =A0 > For over 15 years I have served on the board of the BMW CCA LA chapter and= =20 > have enjoyed it immensely.=A0 I love solving accounting and tax problems a= s=20 > much as I love BMWs!=A0 See you at Octoberfest in July of 2004 in Pasadena= ,=20 > California.=A0 Much is being planned for a fabulous event. > =A0 > Thanks for your vote! > Tom Soule'=A0 Please be sure to vote! Regards, David '88 M3 '95 M3 Dinan

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Optima Battery? - from Ron Buchalski
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:44:34 -0500 From: "Ron Buchalski" <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Optima Battery? There seems to be some confusion here (or, perhaps it's between by ears). Last week, when Andrew mentioned a "new Orange Top Optima battery", I understood that to mean that Optima has a new product with an orange top, IN ADDITION TO the Red Top Optima battery that has been on the market for years. Alex says he has Orange Top Optima batteries in his cars right now. A check of Optima's website doesn't show an Orange Top battery. It shows the Red Top (starter), Yellow Top (deep cycle) and Blue Top (marine) batteries. The Red Top is shown in three models: Model 34 (original, top terminals): http://www.optimabatteries.com/products/pdf/34.pdf Model 34/78 (top and side terminals, same physical dimensions as above) http://www.optimabatteries.com/products/pdf/34_78.pdf Model 75/35 (top and side terminals, smaller than 34/78, wider base) http://www.optimabatteries.com/products/pdf/75_35.pdf So Andrew, is the Orange Top battery that you refer to really the Model 75/35 Red Top battery? The pictures on the Optima links don't show reversed battery terminals, so I don't understand why this battery wouldn't be mounted with the same orientation as the Model 34. Or is the stuffing starting to come out of my head? PS: I've had the Model 34 Red Top battery in my car for over a year, without any problems. I had to fabricate some plastic pieces to hold it in place. -rb >Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:57:04 -0800 >From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Optima Battery? > >Hi Rex. > >Re: > >Did you get change to install the Optima orange top yet? I am > >looking at batteries right now as my current one is almost seven > >years old. I would like to use the Optima orange top, but only if > >it directly bolts in. > >Thanks for reminding me .. . :-) I just checked last week. > >The orange-top battery will NOT work because the terminals are >located too far to the outside of the car when installed in the M3. >The + terminal is in the upper right quadrant and the - terminal is >in the lower right quadrant (when you're looking at the battery, >standing behind the car with the trunk open). What you need is + in >the UL and - in the LL quadrants. > >I have a sneaking suspicion that perhaps all of the Optima cases now >have the new tabs on the bottom that I've first seen on the >Orange-top Optima. If that's true, then a Red-top Optima may very >well be a bolt-in for the M3 (the one I'm using with the adapter is a >Red-Top, which has the posts in the right places -- it just doesn't >have the tabs at the bottom like a normal battery does, so that's why >I built an adapter). > >So, if Red-top Optima now have the mounting tabs on the bottom, one >might well work in the E36 M3. But someone has to test those tabs for >fit -- I didn't even bother trying the Orange-top once I saw the >terminals were in the wrong places and the cables wouldn't reach. > >Regards, > >-- > > ______________________________________ > Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com >Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:22:34 -0600 > > > >From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Optima Battery? > >"Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> wrote: > > > > >Did you get change to install the Optima orange top yet? I am > > >looking at batteries right now as my current one is almost seven > > >years old. I would like to use the Optima orange top, but only > > >if it directly bolts in. > > > > > > The orange-top battery will NOT work because the terminals are > > located too far to the outside of the car when installed in the M3. > >Not true. >I have Optimas in both my M3 and my wife's 328i. >The ground strap was a somewhat tight fit with little slack (or was it >power? it's been 2-3 years since I touched them), but it does fit like a >charm. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Optima Battery? - from Rex Tener
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:47:57 -0800 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Optima Battery? At 01:02 PM 1/14/2003 -0600, Chester Wong wrote: >Hahaha...well, I just called up the Optima hotline. There really isn't such a >thing as an Orange top...not sure where you got the safety orange color one >from. Anyway, he said the orange top is just a reverse poled battery that >would make it more suitable for our applications. > >He also said that using a Optima battery in a BMW would not be a problem. > >Chester > > > You know, this may be a color perception issue -- are you sure you're > > not considering what I call the Red top to be an Orange top? The > > Orange is Safety Orange color -- the Red is, well, red. You are both right. Optima used to make an orange top, you can see it at the batterweb web site, second battery from the bottom, click on the battery icon to see a picture: <http://www.batteryweb.com/optima.cfm> However, on the VW VR6 list, it was mentioned that the orange top is no longer being produced and is being replaced by the red top with the reversed terminals. Though, there are lots of orange tops in the channel and on eBay. I was at the Mountain View, CA Costco yesterday and they only had one type of optima, Red 75/35, Model 12853, for $102.89. None of the red tops that I have seen have the little footers on the end of the battteries like our stock batteries do. My local Pep Boys said their price was $129, but didn't know if they could order the 34R or orange top, but they do list the orange top on their web site. After I got Andrew's e-mail, I called Jeff Reitmeir at Reitmeir's Werkstatt to see if his M3 lightweight had really short cables like Andrew's. He felt it might be really close fit for the Optima. It sounds like I might have to get all the slack out of the battery cables to get it to fit. I like it when everyone is right! :-) -- Rex Tener rex_tener@yahoo.com 1996 BMW M3, SCCA SFR Solo II Street-Mod #173

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#4. Re: [E36M3] New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:53:49 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 on 1/14/03 2:52 PM, Seth Thomas at porsche993@mindspring.com wrote: > Fluidyne also has one out for the E36. I don't know the price on it or > anything but it is supposed to be the same as it is advertised as a direct > drop in. Yes, back in 1999 Fluidyne had told Skip Bogard that they were interested in developing one. I've never seen it advertised anywhere though. Neil 96 M3

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#5. Re: [E36M3] New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 - from Skip Bogard
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:43:10 -0500 From: Skip Bogard <skip.bogard@alumni.duke.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 That sounds like a great deal. I don't think Absolute Radiator absolutely understands shipping contracts though. From their web site REFUND POLICY: > 1.Buyer pays return shipping fees, 15% restocking fee on all returned products. > 2.Since we do not sell used products, we are unable to accept returns on items that show > signs of installation. > 3.All sales final after 15 days from delivery date. > 4.Items damaged in shipping should be reported to the shipping company. > 5.No returns on damaged items, if shipping damage(see above). > 6.No returns on radiators custom built to customer's specs. .....I make this claim because it is my understanding that the RADIATOR SELLER enters a contract with you to provide the product, and the SHIPPER enters a contract with the RADIATOR SELLER (and not YOU!, the buyer) to ship the product safely. Therefore, if the SELLER does not insure the product, and then perhaps asks you to file all complaints with the SHIPPER upon receipt of (potentially damaged) goods, technically the SHIPPER does not have a contract with you. Nor to they have any obligation to make good on any claim presented by you. You are at risk if you then complain to the shipper...they can say "Oh, but you didn't ask for insurance...you didn't pay for it. Your fault for not asking for this..." Happens on ebay all the time of course... My point is, the seller should approach the shipper for all claims, not try to put this on the buyer. And their business practices should be a little more "upscale" than an Ebay transaction if they hope to stay in business. Sophisticated customers expect a more sophisticated customer satisfaction policy than that offered by Absolute Radiator. Hopefully though, there won't be any problems. Thanks for going first & being the guinea pig! :) Let us know how it goes! Cool find! - Skip Neil Maller wrote: > > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:13:35 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 > > Point your browsers at: > > http://absoluteradiator.com/ProductPage.asp?idProd=53 > > to see a newly available all aluminum radiator advertised as a drop-in > replacement for our familiar, and famously failure-prone, stock > plastic/metal unit. It's made in Australia, and they claim 20% higher > cooling capacity than stock. > > At $455 each plus shipping this Al radiator isn't unreasonably priced as a > durable premium alternative. The only other one I know of is custom made > from ActiveAutowerke and costs a whopping $1950! > > At 6 years old, 75K miles, and with plenty of high temperature track days, > my M3's radiator is probably living on borrowed time. I'd been considering > installing a new stock unit as a pre-emptive strike, but the aluminum unit > seems like a much better idea. > > I ordered one today, should have it next week. > > Neil > 96 M3 > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > *************************************************

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#6. RE: [E36M3] New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:21:49 -0500 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 Try this link, http://www.fluidyne.com/pl_catalog.html , and download the catalog in PDF format. It shows an E36 radiator in there. Don't know if they really do offer it as I just saw it. But it looks a lot like the one from PWR. Seth Thomas www.m3ltw.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Maller [mailto:neil.maller@gte.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:54 PM > To: Seth Thomas; E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 > > > on 1/14/03 2:52 PM, Seth Thomas at porsche993@mindspring.com wrote: > > > Fluidyne also has one out for the E36. I don't know the price on it or > > anything but it is supposed to be the same as it is advertised > as a direct > > drop in. > > Yes, back in 1999 Fluidyne had told Skip Bogard that they were > interested in > developing one. I've never seen it advertised anywhere though. > > Neil > 96 M3 >

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#7. Re: Z3 Reinforcement Plates & GC RSMs - from Riley, Scott
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:14:01 -0600 From: "Riley, Scott" <sriley@cardinalcapital.com> Subject: Re: Z3 Reinforcement Plates & GC RSMs From: Tom Byrum <mycroft@academus.net> "I actually called GC thelother day and asked this. They said the plates would fit as the bolts are long enough. They also said they weren't needed, but I figure they are such cheap insurance it'd be almost stupid not to." Agreed...cheap insurance especially since my car is a dedicated club racer. Thanks for the info. Scott

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#8. Re: New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:15:19 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 on 1/14/03 3:21 PM, Seth Thomas at porsche993@mindspring.com wrote: > Try this link, http://www.fluidyne.com/pl_catalog.html , and download the > catalog in PDF format. It shows an E36 radiator in there. Don't know if > they really do offer it as I just saw it. But it looks a lot like the one > from PWR. > > Seth Thomas > www.m3ltw.com Seth, I had just done that after reading your previous message, and yes they do look similar. Then again, if they're supposed to be drop-in replacements I guess they should! No price though. Neil 96 M3 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Neil Maller [mailto:neil.maller@gte.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:54 PM >> To: Seth Thomas; E36M3 >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 >> >> >> on 1/14/03 2:52 PM, Seth Thomas at porsche993@mindspring.com wrote: >> >>> Fluidyne also has one out for the E36. I don't know the price on it or >>> anything but it is supposed to be the same as it is advertised >> as a direct >>> drop in. >> >> Yes, back in 1999 Fluidyne had told Skip Bogard that they were >> interested in >> developing one. I've never seen it advertised anywhere though. >> >> Neil >> 96 M3

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Rim Question - from Jason Knight
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:15:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rim Question Mike, I don't think the 15s will fit - too small. I went to www.tirerack.com and looked at winter tire packages for the M3 and was shown 16s and 17s. Not that I need winter tires - although it is a brisk 64 degrees here in SB today - brrrrr. Jason --- Michael Michalski <mmichalski@leaselink.com> wrote: The tires are in excellent shape and are all season 185/15's __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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#10. re: Free Roundel to Good Home - from Riley, Scott
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:16:08 -0600 From: "Riley, Scott" <sriley@cardinalcapital.com> Subject: re: Free Roundel to Good Home From: Philip <estorilphil@highstream.net> "Anyone out there interested in taking possession of a couple years back issues of Roundel? Free of course." I'll take them. However, my main motivation is find an article that was written by Steve D' on designing garages. If anyone has it, I would really like to get a copy. TIA, Scott

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#11. Re: Rim Question - from JUSTIN GERRY
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:16:27 -0500 From: "JUSTIN GERRY" <JGERRY@butchers.com> Subject: Re: Rim Question No 15" rims will fit an M3. Brakes are too big. There are some 16 x 7.5 that will fit (tirerack sells a few, you can buy direct from Ronal to gets something TUV approved). This will give you a 205/55 16 size which is optimal for winter traction. Lots of 17" combinations out there of course. -Justin -- '76 02 (Whimsical) (sleeping) '97 M3 (Orion) (205/55 16s Hakka 1s with tacky looking but strong Ronal 16x7.5s) BMW CCA#77056 check out http://users.vei.net/jgerry

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#12. RE: New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 - from Riley, Scott
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:21:03 -0600 From: "Riley, Scott" <sriley@cardinalcapital.com> Subject: RE: New! - All Aluminum Radiator for E36 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> "Fluidyne also has one out for the E36. I don't know the price on it or anything but it is supposed to be the same as it is advertised as a direct drop in." I don't know about you, but I would trust Fluidyne over www.absoluteradiator.com In fact, I need to check the archives, but I believe James Clay (www.bimmerworld.com) is going to carry the Fluidynes sometime soon. Maybe he can pipe in on this. Scott

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