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#1. Re: [E36M3] Brake bleed - from Scott M
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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:34:08 -0800 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Brake bleed OK - so for a semi-proper bleed / flush is it worth it to skip the ABS/AST unit and do each corner like a non AST car? Or am I stuck having this done by a shop :-( I need to be able to bleed my own brakes - it's something I am used to doing after every track event..... Scott on 1/26/03 1:17 PM, Jeremy Conners at jeremy.conners@comcast.net wrote: > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:08:58 -0500 > From: Jeremy Conners <jeremy.conners@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Brake bleed > > Scott M wrote: >> So why does the Bentley manual say that bleeding brakes on a >> car equipped >> with AST should only be done by the dealer? What is the >> trick needed to >> bleed the ABS/AST unit? > > Group, > > I still haven't found the proper fill and bleed procedure for the MkIV-G > ABS/TCS units in the E36M3. The database migration has made locating this > itme difficult, and the document is probably cataloged in German. However, > I'm still looking for it. > > The reason the Bentley manual states this stems from the valving inside ABS > & ABS/TCS units. For a proper bleed, these valves need to be cycled to > allow the fluid trapped inside the hydraulic control unit to be flushed out. > > Jeremy Conners > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* >
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Brake bleed - from Geof McLaughlin
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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:48:21 -0500 From: Geof McLaughlin <gfmiiilist@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Brake bleed At 09:37 PM 1/26/2003 -0600, Scott M wrote: >Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:34:08 -0800 >From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Brake bleed > >OK - so for a semi-proper bleed / flush is it worth it to >skip the ABS/AST unit and do each corner like a non AST car? Yes, don't worry about it. The only time that I would even contemplate having the dealer cycle the ABS unit is if you had a mushy brake pedal even after bleeding. For the record, I have never encountered this. >Or am I stuck having this done by a shop :-( >I need to be able to bleed my own brakes - it's something >I am used to doing after every track event..... I don't even bleed the brakes after every track event, more like every 2-3. Geof
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Brake bleed - from Jeremy Conners
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 01:18:50 -0500 From: Jeremy Conners <jeremy.conners@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Brake bleed I would not worry about having the dealer flush the brake system for you. During normal operation, the "inner workings" of the MkIV-G ABS/TCS unit are not circulating fluid. Each corner is supplied brake fluid through the following path: Master Cylinder -> Normally Open Valve (ABS or ABS/TCS unit) -> Caliper. There are 3 and 4 NO Valves on the 95 and 96+ E36M3s, respectively. The E36M3 is nicely designed as a Front/Rear split system as most race bred cars are. Currently, most passenger cars are designed with a Diagonally split system. Even if you have a mushy pedal under normal operation cycling the ABS or ABS/TCS won't help. The complete circuit is only open during an ABS or TCS event. The fill and bleed proceedures that I've seen so far are repetitive in flushing the lines then cycling the pumps and valves (in particular order), then flushing the lines... The details and order are what becomes important. Jeremy Conners > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:34:08 -0800 > From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Brake bleed > > OK - so for a semi-proper bleed / flush is it worth it to > skip the ABS/AST unit and do each corner like a non AST car? > Or am I stuck having this done by a shop :-( > I need to be able to bleed my own brakes - it's something > I am used to doing after every track event..... > > Scott
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#4. Re: Oil filters do work!....VANOS - from JUSTIN GERRY
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:24:49 -0500 From: "JUSTIN GERRY" <JGERRY@butchers.com> Subject: Re: Oil filters do work!....VANOS Chester, Yes, do let us all know about your VANOS replacement article. Special tools that are needed, how many beers etc... I have ONE month left on my CPO Warranty, and I am getting my VANOS replaced in the next week or two (surprisingly, it took no convincing on my part to have the dealer replace it) for all of $50. VANOS seems to be like the old M10 cylinder head, they just seem to need a rebuild (or replacement) at around 80,000 to 100,000. Symptoms: 1) Sounds like a chainsaw when its cold ~2500-~3100rpm, 1/4 to ½ throttle. 2) Makes soft "clicking/ticking" sounds when warm, hard run at WOT from 3000rpm-6000rpm. I have about 80,000 miles on the car, I've had chain tensioners replaced (due to another issue) at around 55,000 to 60,000. -Justin -- '76 02 (Whimsical) '97 M3 (Orion) BMW CCA#77056 check out http://users.vei.net/jgerry
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#5. Hotel recommendations at VIR? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:57:36 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Hotel recommendations at VIR? Thinking about going to VIR and need affordable/decent accommodations. Any suggestions? I just want to avoid places like the Seneca lodge at Watkins Glen cuz it's kinda nasty. :) TIA, Chester =====
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#6. [E36M3] Please help me choose a daily driver - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:06:50 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: [E36M3] Please help me choose a daily driver Jon says > > Thanks, Doug... I will be staying away from any more E36s. Have you had a > chance to read the E36 buyer's guide in the current issue of European Car? Yeah, I bought is this weekend and read a good part of it including most of the E36 buyers guide. I laughed about the references to the E36 guru, Matt Malfa, Project Director at UUC Motorwerks :-) > I'm not a big fan of that magazine (I find it boring; the writing is > uninspired), but the buyer's guide was an exceptional piece. Further to your point, the E36 buyers guide was filled with factual mistakes and inaccuracies and poor editing. I don't believe Matt was the source of these mistakes though. > It identified > almost every thing I love and hate in my M3, and made many points I was > unaware of. I pretty much love my M3 though. The negatives are pretty few in my opinion. Regards, Rich
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#7. ripping E36M3 floors (was: Please help me choose a daily driver) - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:07:49 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: ripping E36M3 floors (was: Please help me choose a daily driver) > Jon Phillips wrote: > [...] > > The upshot is that the E36 M3 sometimes suffers catastophic rear floor > > failures (a result of the extremely competent rear suspension putting undue > > stress on a system designed for less stress), and we have interior trim > > that's relatively shoddy (pillar trims, clutch pedal bushing, and so on). > > I think they mix their metaphors over at Euro Car. The standard E36 has > this problem, especially if the car is modded or driven hard (although > some claim normal use will do it as well... but I'd betcha $5 they had > symptoms of worn bushings and never got it checked out). The E36 M3 is > reinforced in the area of the rear floor/subframe interface. Anyone hear > of ripped out floors in E36 M3s? Scott responds with >>> > oooh I can answer that one! me me me me! > sure, the E36M3 is reinforced there, but that just doesn't cut it in a > race environment. Now Scott, that isn't really fair. In a race or track environment, all things are more susceptible to breaking. The E36 M3 is a street car. Due to its handling and other positive attributes, it is a favorite at the track. But, I don't think the engineers designed it to be used as a race car, otherwise, PD Cunningham and others could take them off the dealership floor and onto the track with no changes whatsoever. But, I think we all know there are certain parts of the E36 M3 that don't stand up to race or track abuse for too long. Best regards, Rich
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#8. Hood release - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:15:01 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Hood release For some time my hood release lever has been rather stiff and hard to operate. Now something has apparently pulled loose, and the handle just flops. I assume that the cable has pulled free at one end or the other. So I can't open the hood... Anyone BTDT or have any useful suggestions? Neil 96 M3
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#9. Re: ....VANOS - from Scott Yu
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:34:35 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Yu <segascott@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: ....VANOS Gosh-dangit - these are the symptoms my car is starting to make! Nuts. For reference, my car is at ~112,000 miles and this noise started to surface at around 108,000... Is there anything deadly about driving around with these noises going on? Chester, here's plea for your vanos R&R writeup! --- JUSTIN GERRY <JGERRY@butchers.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:24:49 -0500 > From: "JUSTIN GERRY" <JGERRY@butchers.com> > Subject: Re: Oil filters do work!....VANOS > > Chester, > > Yes, do let us all know about your VANOS replacement > article. Special tools that are needed, how many > beers etc... > > I have ONE month left on my CPO Warranty, and I am > getting my VANOS replaced in the next week or two > (surprisingly, it took no convincing on my part to > have the dealer replace it) for all of $50. > > VANOS seems to be like the old M10 cylinder head, > they just seem to need a rebuild (or replacement) at > around 80,000 to 100,000. > > Symptoms: > > 1) Sounds like a chainsaw when its cold > ~2500-~3100rpm, 1/4 to ½ throttle. > 2) Makes soft "clicking/ticking" sounds when warm, > hard run at WOT from 3000rpm-6000rpm. > > I have about 80,000 miles on the car, I've had chain > tensioners replaced (due to another issue) at around > 55,000 to 60,000. > > -Justin > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: ....VANOS - from Chester Wong
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:44:56 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: ....VANOS haha! PLEA?!?!?!?! How about some funding for this incomeless soul? ;) As far as driving around with the noise, I see no problem. Chester --- Scott Yu <segascott@yahoo.com> wrote: > Chester, here's plea for your vanos R&R writeup! =====