E36M3 #3054

Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:04:14

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Review of '03 330i vs '95 M3 - from Mark Dadgar
#2. Re: [E36M3] Gone to the Happy Autocross in Heaven! - from Andrej Dolenc
#3. Re: [E36M3] Gone to the Happy Autocross in Heaven! - from Mdriver13@aol.com
#4. Re: Re: [E36M3] 15W50 Mobil 1 for summer: anyone use this? - from Robert Chay
#5. Roundel - from Dorffer, Rich
#6. Who wants to go in on a 24lb injector buy? - from Dorffer, Rich
#7. Re: Who wants to go in on a 24lb injector buy? - from DocWyte
#8. RE: [E36M3] Review of '03 330i vs '95 M3 - from Chester Wong
#9. RE: Who wants to go in on a 24lb injector buy? - from Dorffer, Rich
#10. Schrick Cams for E36 M3 - from Ben Liaw - Rogue Engineering
#11. RE: Who wants to go in on a 24lb injector buy? - from DocWyte

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Review of '03 330i vs '95 M3 - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:56:39 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Review of '03 330i vs '95 M3 Jim Bassett at jimbassett@attbi.com wrote: >> Intuitive for me, in that I want to push the stick up >> (away from me) for upshifts and pull it down (towards >> me) for downshifts. The other way is totally opposite >> to what I think as common sense. > > But also totally opposite from most true sequential boxes I've seem. > Granted, that's just from watching many races on Speed Channel :-) Shifter kart trannies are also forward/down for downshifting and back/up for upshifting. Since many of the pro racers (who use new things like sequential trannies first) started in karts ... > All this shows is that "common sense" isn't necessarily all that common <bg>. > Actually, it makes sense. You downshift under heavy braking and upshift udner accelleratin. Your body is being forced one way or another as as result. This way you do not have to go against the accelleration (in either direction) of the car/kart to shift. - Mark -- mark@pdc-racing.net

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Gone to the Happy Autocross in Heaven! - from Andrej Dolenc
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 22:06:39 -0400 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Gone to the Happy Autocross in Heaven! Glad to hear you're OK Joe. Hope the bruised ribs heal fast, friend of mine bruised his recently and it sounds like not much fun at all. Andrej '97 M3 > Oh, BTW, the air bag test worked perfectly. I had the bruised ribcage > to prove it! > Joe Dyer

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Gone to the Happy Autocross in Heaven! - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 23:23:43 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Gone to the Happy Autocross in Heaven! In a message dated 4/8/03 8:18:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, joedyer@attbi.com writes: > Oh, BTW, the air bag test worked perfectly. I had the bruised ribcage > to prove it! > Too bad, another great M3 is history :-( Glad to hear, you will not need to be parted out ;-)) Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion '97 & '00 BSP Champion '01 & '02

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#4. Re: Re: [E36M3] 15W50 Mobil 1 for summer: anyone use this? - from Robert Chay
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 00:43:17 -0400 From: Robert Chay <rchay@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Re: [E36M3] 15W50 Mobil 1 for summer: anyone use this? I've always used Castrol SynTec 5w50 year round when I was in CA and have done many DE's in 100+ deg weather w/o any problems. I tried 15w50 and got worse gas mileage and the engine felt sluggish. -Bobby 98 M3 ----- Original Message ----- > >---------------------- > >FWIW, here are my personal "oil rules for M-cars": > > > >Winter weather: BMW 5W40 synthetic or Mobil 1 10W30 (this is for street > >only and assumes you're not going to do any track events or autocrosses in > >the winter) > > > >Spring, summer and early fall weather: BMW 5W40 synthetic or Mobil 1 15W50 > >(again for street) > > > >For ANY track event: Mobil 1 15W50 -- that's right, just one. I won't > >bore everyone with all the reasons I no longer use Valvoline, BMW, Castrol, > >Redline, Amsoil, Purple People Eater, or any other oil on the track. The > >viscosity rating is simple -- anything thinner than 50-weight on the track > >is gonna turn into hamster p*ss after a few hot runs. Just compare any > >40-weight oil at the end of a driver school session with Mobil 1 15W50 > >after a similar session and you'll see what I mean. > >---------------------- > >Hope that helps, > >Jim Bassett > >1998 M3/4 - doesn't follow rules, Red Line 10W40 (street only) > >1993 325is #44 - Mobil 1 15W50 only >

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#5. Roundel - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:17:05 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Roundel Reading the Roundel last night, I see the letter of illustrious Dentist Doc was published extolling his newly purchased M3 and the wonderful service he received :-) Anyway, I am just rambling. I enjoy reading the Roundel and found it pretty humorous how incensed the Z3 owners got to Satch's Z4 article. Not being a Z3 owner, I really didn't pick up on it when I read the article, maybe I will go reread it, but those Z3 owners sure are a touchy bunch. Regards, Rich 95 M3 - not inferior in any way to the E46 M3 ;-)

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#6. Who wants to go in on a 24lb injector buy? - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:18:23 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Who wants to go in on a 24lb injector buy? > On the advice of Josh@Eurosport I'm going to pick a > set of these up. He thinks I'll be pushing my stock > 17.5lb injectors pretty close to the limit with my > next mod and I'd rather have a little more injector > headroom. Really, Josh told you that? What set-up do you have? Are you sure Josh told you that? Are you getting a software change too? Josh really told you that huh? Later, Rich

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#7. Re: Who wants to go in on a 24lb injector buy? - from DocWyte
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Who wants to go in on a 24lb injector buy? Yes, he really told me that. I have a euro hfm, jc intake and chip. I'll be adding a track pipe soon. Let's put it this way. 24 lb injectors are needed for cams, which ass 10 whp and 10 wft lbs of torque across the band. A track pipe adds twice that amount in hp and practically three times that amount in torque to the wheels across the band. (if the dyno's are believable) I was worried that the stock 17.5lb injectors wouldn't be able to keep up and Josh@Eurosport confirmed it. -josh --- "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> wrote: > > On the advice of Josh@Eurosport I'm going to pick > a > > set of these up. He thinks I'll be pushing my > stock > > 17.5lb injectors pretty close to the limit with my > > next mod and I'd rather have a little more > injector > > headroom. > > Really, Josh told you that? What set-up do you have? > Are you sure Josh told you that? Are you getting a > software change too? Josh really told you that huh? > > Later, > > Rich ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

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#8. RE: [E36M3] Review of '03 330i vs '95 M3 - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:31:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Review of '03 330i vs '95 M3 --- Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> wrote: > But also totally opposite from most true sequential boxes I've seem. > Granted, that's just from watching many races on Speed Channel :-) Ah....the Speed series. I forgot who I was watching, but I just loved the way they downshifted through the gears approaching a turn. The commentator said it was like playing a fiddle :) Chester =====

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#9. RE: Who wants to go in on a 24lb injector buy? - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:39:06 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: RE: Who wants to go in on a 24lb injector buy? > Yes, he really told me that. Huh (nodding my head) > I have a euro hfm, jc intake and chip. I'll be adding > a track pipe soon. Alright, I have the first three as well. No track pipe though although I have plans to address the exhaust side of things. I believe that the US cats are a bottle neck in the exhaust side of the motor, then the exhaust manifolds, then the muffler (in that order). I wasn't so sure Josh or JC thought the same though. > Let's put it this way. 24 lb injectors are needed for > cams, which ass 10 whp and 10 wft lbs of torque across > the band. A track pipe adds twice that amount in hp > and practically three times that amount in torque to > the wheels across the band. (if the dyno's are > believable) Well, that sure doesn't go very far for spending $2,000 - $3,000 or more on the Eurosport cam kit for just 10 whp /10 wft when a track pipe can add 20 whp / 30 rwt for $450!! By the way, I don't believe those numbers, just reposting yours in a different way. > I was worried that the stock 17.5lb injectors wouldn't > be able to keep up and Josh@Eurosport confirmed it. Hmm, that is certainly different from what I have heard. I had always heard that the stock injectors were good up to about 280 hp or so. I would be surprised you would make more than that euro hfm, jc intake and chip and a track pipe. Anyone else want to chime in? Regards, Rich

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#10. Schrick Cams for E36 M3 - from Ben Liaw - Rogue Engineering
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:56:47 -0400 From: "Ben Liaw - Rogue Engineering" <ben@rogueengineering.com> Subject: Schrick Cams for E36 M3 Just a shot in the dark, but was wondering if anybody had a set of Schrick cams for the US E36 M3 brand new, not yet installed. These are the 262/256 set that most aftermarket places sell. If so, please contact me privately. Regards, Ben Liaw - Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com 201-444-8150

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#11. RE: Who wants to go in on a 24lb injector buy? - from DocWyte
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:02:25 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Who wants to go in on a 24lb injector buy? Well, I'm basing my numbers off of dynos I've seen posted. The latest cams dyno I saw posted showed a 10whp and 10 wft lb gain across the board. I wasn't all that impressed considering it'd cost me $2000 installed to get that. The AA dyno shows 20whp and 30w ft lbs of torque with the track pipe. That does seem rather optimistic and I'm waiting to see other dynos, but even if the track pipe delivers half of what the AA dyno shows, it's still in line or exceeding the cams. If you need injectors at 280 crank hp, that works out to be in the high 230's (238ish) at the wheels. With a track pipe and euro hfm intake, you should be right there. People have dynoed with just the euro hfm intake and gotten close to 230whp, so if the track pipe only adds 10whp, you're right up at the limit of the stock injectors. -josh --- "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> wrote: > > Yes, he really told me that. > > Huh (nodding my head) > > > I have a euro hfm, jc intake and chip. I'll be > adding > > a track pipe soon. > > Alright, I have the first three as well. No track > pipe though although I have plans to address the > exhaust side of things. I believe that the US cats > are a bottle neck in the exhaust side of the motor, > then the exhaust manifolds, then the muffler (in > that order). I wasn't so sure Josh or JC thought > the same though. > > > Let's put it this way. 24 lb injectors are needed > for > > cams, which adds 10 whp and 10 wft lbs of torque > across > > the band. A track pipe adds twice that amount in > hp > > and practically three times that amount in torque > to > > the wheels across the band. (if the dyno's are > > believable) > > Well, that sure doesn't go very far for spending > $2,000 - $3,000 or more on the Eurosport cam kit for > just 10 whp /10 wft when a track pipe can add 20 whp > / 30 rwt for $450!! > > By the way, I don't believe those numbers, just > reposting yours in a different way. > > > I was worried that the stock 17.5lb injectors > wouldn't > > be able to keep up and Josh@Eurosport confirmed > it. > > Hmm, that is certainly different from what I have > heard. I had always heard that the stock injectors > were good up to about 280 hp or so. I would be > surprised you would make more than that euro hfm, jc > intake and chip and a track pipe. > > Anyone else want to chime in? > > Regards, > > Rich > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

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