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#1. M3 Handling - from Darling Christopher O Maj ACSC Student AY03
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:10:37 -0500 From: Darling Christopher O Maj ACSC Student AY03 <Christopher.Darling@MAXWELL.AF.MIL> Subject: M3 Handling Juan Rico wrote: "You know all those shots you see in car magazines of road testers pulling nice slides and drifts on roads? Driving like this is just not feasible in an M3 unless you are a pro. And even then... In other cars it's much easier. Is this not a handling issue?" My response is that it is just more difficult to reach the handling limits of the M3. While one might be scrambling around a given corner in a Mustang at the limits of control at 40 mph, the M3 might have to go 50 mph before it even begins to slide at all. In order to reach the limits of the car, you have to go much faster--perhaps too fast to be feasible on public roads. Is this less "fun" for Juan? Perhaps so, if power slides are what one needs to be happy. I'd recommend a steady dose of driving schools in order to explore the handling envelope of the M3 in a safe environment. I think. Cod
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#2. Umnitza V1 Mirror Kit - from Nsxlr8@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:21:55 -0400 From: Nsxlr8@aol.com Subject: Umnitza V1 Mirror Kit Has anyone used the subject concealed display kit? They are available for M3's and NSX's of which I have both. Looks like a slick set-up, but I'm confused by their pricing options and how the unit actually works. TIA. Jeff
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#3.UUC Motorwerks System U Exhaust - Brand New - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:24:04 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: <FS> UUC Motorwerks System U Exhaust - Brand New Kirk asks > > What does the exhaust fit? Whoops, sorry about that. This is the E36 M3 exhaust. It is tentatively sold already. If anyone is still interested, let me know and I will contact you if the original purchaser changes their mind. Regards, Rich
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#4. Help! Still need one 245/40/17 Hoosier A3S03 - from erik
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:10:49 -0700 From: "erik" <erik@mpactmotorsports.com> Subject: Help! Still need one 245/40/17 Hoosier A3S03 I am still looking for a replacement Hoosier. Thanks to Chuck for looking! Any help would be appreciated! Thanks Erik Lind
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#5. Re: RTAB Tool - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:09:55 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: RTAB Tool on 4/22/03 3:06 PM, Brad Ahrens <txsaggie97@yahoo.com> wrote: > I was planning on either a sawz-all approach as we have one at the house or > finding some correct sized washers and using my 3 (adjustable to 2 if needed) > jawed puller to do much the same as the tool. You'll be sorreeeeee...! Neil - BTDT, still has the scars 96 M3
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Best Handling Car- Depends... - from Mel Silva
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:38:15 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Best Handling Car- Depends... This particular statement caught my eye; ----------------------- Original message -------------------------------- ...., there was a medium speed right hand sweeper. I was falling behind so I decided to pick up the pace a bit and went into the turn a bit hot. I didn't back off because I thought I'd spin so I stayed on the gas and the back end started sliding. With some steering correction and not letting off the gas, I was able to recover and keep going. It was a beautiful slide (if I do say so myself) but kinda stupid since there was a 150' drop to my right and a cliff wall on the left. I slowed down but kept up with the group the rest of the day. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would like to provide my "opinion" to Bobby and anyone else interested. I would say to Bobby that you did exactly what you are supposed to do. If you had let off the gas when the car started to slide, you probably would have gone off that 150' drop backwards. I will relay to the gruppe what one of my driving instructors told me. He said, "You must re-train your basic reflexes (referred to later as your lizard brain) NOT to do what thousands of years of instinct has taught us to do. Now repeat after me, 'I will not lift if the tail steps out on me, I will not lift if the tail steps out on me'. He told us that if we do lift that bad things usually happen and that we never get to see them since we are facing the wrong direction. Plus, that if you do NOT lift, your brain will keep screaming at you that you are going to get it killed. That's what it's there for, that's what it does best. Fight or flight, remember? Now I will add that if you get out of the throttle gently, these bad things are usually avoided. So the bottom line to me is; 'act do not re-act'. Do what you have been taught and not what your brain keeps nagging at you to do. Bobby did what he was taught, not what his instincts were telling him to do. Mel's philosophy on driving, your mileage may vary
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#7. FS: US Headlights - from Guillermo Molina
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:00:25 -0400 From: "Guillermo Molina" <drwillb@msn.com> Subject: FS: US Headlights I just did the Euro/HID upgrade so these parts must go: Brand new, never installed, NAL brand, L and R side, US headlights. These are the headlights only and DO NOT include the aiming buckets. The buckets can easily be swapped from your existing lights with just a few screws. Cost: $85 includes shipping anywhere in the US. Bill Molina _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Best Handling Car- Depends... - from Robert Chay
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:48:33 -0400 From: Robert Chay <rchay@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Best Handling Car- Depends... Juan, I'm sorry but you really can't compare yourself, or anyone on this list for that matter, to Kimi Raikkonen. The kid first got into a kart when he was 8 and started winning races when he was 9. Granted, he didn't go the traditional route of other F1 drivers but he does have a ton of experience racing open wheel cars (karts and formulas). The crap that those announcers spewed about him only having 28 (or whatever the numbers were) car races before he reached F1 is only technically true. And golfing is not a good analogy either. If Tiger Woods stopped playing for 1 year and not touch a golf club, I'll bet he wouldn't break 80 his first time out. When I first moved to LA, I took about 6 months off and just played golf for 4 months straight. Twice on a course and 3-4 times at a range every week. I got down to low 80's with no professional coaching. After I started working, I played maybe every 3-4 months and would be lucky to hit low 90's. Golf is one of those hobbies (since I really don't consider it a sport) where you need to play consistently or your game will suffer. No matter who you are. Now the reason I stayed on the gas during that turn was from learning car control and dynamics from DE's and auto-x's. When you lift while the rear is sliding out, you move weight off the rears and will slide out further.. I didn't gun it, I wanted to keep my speed constant and keep some grip on my rear tires. I thought I was a very good driver until I started going to DE's and auto-x's. I know everyone and their mothers say you should go and I really agree with them. You don't know what you're missing. Not only is it fun, you learn tons. -Bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Rico" <juan_rico@captionsinc.com> Ron et all, I'm going to have to totally disagree with you. Sorry. Just because I haven't done a DE in my M3 that does not make me less of a driver. I have been to driving schools, just not in my M3. And I've been driving since the age of 9. So I doubt anyone has more track experience than me driving experience. Not by a long shot. And lest we forget, I've been driving my M3 for 140K miles and counting. A LOT of those miles, solitary canyon miles on my daily commute... So I know my M3 very well. Much better than the majority on this list probably. I can't change the spark plugs by myself but I have many hours at this particular helm and in all sorts of conditions. Experience at the track is by no means the factor of biggest weight in this equation. Why? Ever heard of Kimi-Matias Räikkönen? There is such a thing as talent. Just because you or I don't race doesn't necessarily mean that we don't have it. Or that we are less of a driver than someone who has done DE's. Go to a golf course on any given Sunday, and you'll see countless bozos with countless hours of experience who can't play worth a damn. Talent. My only driving experience fortunately does not consist of acts of hooliganism. Please. Having lived in Africa for 15 years, it goes without saying that I am well versed in all sorts of shifting driving conditions and I know ALL ABOUT driving rally style... and when to do it safely. I am experienced in playing around and having fun sliding many different cars, from Mercedes to Land Cruisers. After all, what are you going to crash into in the middle of the Sahara? Again, to reiterate what I said before, my post is relevant to street driving and to the average driver. Unlike Bobby, many people have been saved in their M3 because they've lifted of the throttle and the rear end has tucked neatly back in. That is its saving grace 90% of the time. That is why the M3 is forgiving. Because you rarely get into "correction" territory. But once you get into "correction" territory, the M3 is a *very* tricky car. No, Docwyte, I don't only want to do tail slides. I want to throttle steer, for example. That IS a handling issue. And on the street it's impossible unless you have gravel... Or a supercharger. Or a mother of an M3. I don't. Having said all this, I am now going to check my RTAB... ;-)) Juan.
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#9. ***Welcome Turner Motorsport*** - from David Hogg
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:21:28 -0400 From: "David Hogg" <springwood@blazenet.net> Subject: ***Welcome Turner Motorsport*** Yea, Will! Great decision! Welcome to list sponsorship. Now, guys (and gals), BUY some stuff from them (and Taylor, Rogue, JTD and Bimmerworld, too)! Dave Hogg
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Best Handling Car- Depends... - from david tow
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:33:19 -0700 From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Best Handling Car- Depends... Hi, Juan, You shouldn't be complaining about the E36 M3 being an oversteerer if you had driven a E30 M3 with the semi-trailing arms in the rear. Oh, that car was fun and scary! :o) Ask me how I knew this... David Tow Juan Rico wrote: Subject: RE: [E36M3] Best Handling Car- Depends... Also, even driving normally, notice how a lot of people who have crashed their M3's in the rain will tell you that one moment they were driving, and all of a sudden because of a change in pavement, or an awkward camber change, etc. the car started to rotate and was impossible to catch, corrections or no corrections at the steering wheel. A lot of people have crashed their M3's this way. When the rainy season comes around, M3's are body shop queens. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus