E36M3 #3095

Wednesday, April 23, 2003 21:46:55

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#1. 1995 M3 w/Euro & LTW options for sale - from John B
#2. RE: [E36M3] Best Handling Car- Depends... - from Juan Rico
#3. New Yokohama 032Rs - from Ahmad Lutfeali
#4. Re: Cat shields buzzing - from Neil Maller
#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Cat shields buzzing - from Reid Conti
#6. re: cat shields... - from Eric Gravengaard
#7. Re: [E36M3] New Yokohama 032Rs - from mike
#8. Rear Suspension Bits 'n Pieces - from twisty M3
#9. Peter G. and OTC - from ERogers005@aol.com
#10. M3 tire recommendations - from Go, Jeffrey

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#1. 1995 M3 w/Euro & LTW options for sale - from John B
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:54:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John B <john0990@yahoo.com> Subject: 1995 M3 w/Euro & LTW options for sale 1995 M3, black/black, excellent condition, 106k miles, extremely well maintained, clean title, all service records, many Euro M3 GT & M3 Lightweight options installed, $17,900. Car is located in Dallas, TX. See many pictures and all details at: http://www.staticsignals.com/m3/ john0990@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

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#2. RE: [E36M3] Best Handling Car- Depends... - from Juan Rico
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:58:18 -0700 From: Juan Rico <juan_rico@captionsinc.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Best Handling Car- Depends... Bobby, It goes without saying that I'm not comparing myself to Kimi. Of course not. If I was then I wouldn't be here writing emails but out on the track making millions. I just wanted to illustrate, and that's why I consider the golf analogy perfectly valid, that just because you perform a task over and over and have many hours of experience, that doesn't cover up for lack of talent. I don't know what is so hard to understand about this. I'm sure each time you do it you learn a ton, but that doesn't mean that you're any better than someone who was half your experience but twice your talent-- within our parameters, obviously, and not comparing ourselves to Kimi. Furthermore, to dwell a little more in your golf analogy... indeed if Tiger Woods stopped playing for a year his game would drop. But if you know anything about professional sports not every athlete has the same training program and a lot of that is due to one's talent. Ivan Lendl trained for 10 hours a day, and McEnroe and Becker for 4.... Even amongst top athletes there's different levels of talent. Imagine between us... -----Original Message----- From: Robert Chay [mailto:rchay@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:16 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Best Handling Car- Depends... Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:48:33 -0400 From: Robert Chay <rchay@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Best Handling Car- Depends... Juan, I'm sorry but you really can't compare yourself, or anyone on this list for that matter, to Kimi Raikkonen. The kid first got into a kart when he was 8 and started winning races when he was 9. Granted, he didn't go the traditional route of other F1 drivers but he does have a ton of experience racing open wheel cars (karts and formulas). The crap that those announcers spewed about him only having 28 (or whatever the numbers were) car races before he reached F1 is only technically true. And golfing is not a good analogy either. If Tiger Woods stopped playing for 1 year and not touch a golf club, I'll bet he wouldn't break 80 his first time out. When I first moved to LA, I took about 6 months off and just played golf for 4 months straight. Twice on a course and 3-4 times at a range every week. I got down to low 80's with no professional coaching. After I started working, I played maybe every 3-4 months and would be lucky to hit low 90's. Golf is one of those hobbies (since I really don't consider it a sport) where you need to play consistently or your game will suffer. No matter who you are. Now the reason I stayed on the gas during that turn was from learning car control and dynamics from DE's and auto-x's. When you lift while the rear is sliding out, you move weight off the rears and will slide out further.. I didn't gun it, I wanted to keep my speed constant and keep some grip on my rear tires. I thought I was a very good driver until I started going to DE's and auto-x's. I know everyone and their mothers say you should go and I really agree with them. You don't know what you're missing. Not only is it fun, you learn tons. -Bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Rico" <juan_rico@captionsinc.com> Ron et all, I'm going to have to totally disagree with you. Sorry. Just because I haven't done a DE in my M3 that does not make me less of a driver. I have been to driving schools, just not in my M3. And I've been driving since the age of 9. So I doubt anyone has more track experience than me driving experience. Not by a long shot. And lest we forget, I've been driving my M3 for 140K miles and counting. A LOT of those miles, solitary canyon miles on my daily commute... So I know my M3 very well. Much better than the majority on this list probably. I can't change the spark plugs by myself but I have many hours at this particular helm and in all sorts of conditions. Experience at the track is by no means the factor of biggest weight in this equation. Why? Ever heard of Kimi-Matias Räikkönen? There is such a thing as talent. Just because you or I don't race doesn't necessarily mean that we don't have it. Or that we are less of a driver than someone who has done DE's. Go to a golf course on any given Sunday, and you'll see countless bozos with countless hours of experience who can't play worth a damn. Talent. My only driving experience fortunately does not consist of acts of hooliganism. Please. Having lived in Africa for 15 years, it goes without saying that I am well versed in all sorts of shifting driving conditions and I know ALL ABOUT driving rally style... and when to do it safely. I am experienced in playing around and having fun sliding many different cars, from Mercedes to Land Cruisers. After all, what are you going to crash into in the middle of the Sahara? Again, to reiterate what I said before, my post is relevant to street driving and to the average driver. Unlike Bobby, many people have been saved in their M3 because they've lifted of the throttle and the rear end has tucked neatly back in. That is its saving grace 90% of the time. That is why the M3 is forgiving. Because you rarely get into "correction" territory. But once you get into "correction" territory, the M3 is a *very* tricky car. No, Docwyte, I don't only want to do tail slides. I want to throttle steer, for example. That IS a handling issue. And on the street it's impossible unless you have gravel... Or a supercharger. Or a mother of an M3. I don't. Having said all this, I am now going to check my RTAB... ;-)) Juan. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#3. New Yokohama 032Rs - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:23:17 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: New Yokohama 032Rs Tire Rack has another version of these tires; Compound "S", which stands for Soft. In the past, all the 032Rs were Compound "H" for Hard (my last set read the same). Anyone out there tried these new "S" compound? Any feedback? TIA A.L.

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#4. Re: Cat shields buzzing - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:49:59 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Cat shields buzzing on 4/23/03 12:45 PM, Mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > Any of you experience the shields that surround the cats becoming loose > enough to create a loud buzzing sound (my wife says the car sounds like a > Ford Escort), now that's bad ;-)) My mechanic said the cats are under > warranty for eight years, so they should be replaced. Bad welds are the > problem, so I'm told. > > Anyone have this problem, and got the cats replaced under warranty???? Buzz? No. Clank and rattle and generally sound like kicking a can down the street? Sure! I've safety-wired mine to try to keep them from rattling, but with limited success. on 4/23/03 12:45 PM, Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> wrote: > Yep, I had my cat's replaced under warranty because of the buzzing sound. > They're under warranty for 8 years and 80K miles (I believe. Check the > warranty booklet). I squeaked in under the mileage allowance. Dealer didn't > give me a hard time about it at all, heard the rattling and replaced the cats. Wow! I'm surprised they replaced the cats for external noise, since that doesn't affect their function. (Internal rattling would be different, since that means that the catalyst elements are breaking up.) Hmm, I have 75K miles and not even 7 years...time for a trip to the dealer? Neil

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Cat shields buzzing - from Reid Conti
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:39:06 -0700 From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Cat shields buzzing 8 years from date of manufacture, or purchase? I think mine was bought in 5/95... :) - reid On Wednesday, Apr 23, 2003, at 13:55 US/Pacific, Neil Maller wrote: > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:49:59 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: Cat shields buzzing > > on 4/23/03 12:45 PM, Mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > >> Any of you experience the shields that surround the cats becoming >> loose >> enough to create a loud buzzing sound (my wife says the car sounds >> like a >> Ford Escort), now that's bad ;-)) My mechanic said the cats are under >> warranty for eight years, so they should be replaced. Bad welds are >> the >> problem, so I'm told. >> >> Anyone have this problem, and got the cats replaced under warranty???? > > Buzz? No. > > Clank and rattle and generally sound like kicking a can down the > street? > Sure! > > I've safety-wired mine to try to keep them from rattling, but with > limited > success. > > on 4/23/03 12:45 PM, Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> wrote: > >> Yep, I had my cat's replaced under warranty because of the buzzing >> sound. >> They're under warranty for 8 years and 80K miles (I believe. Check >> the >> warranty booklet). I squeaked in under the mileage allowance. >> Dealer didn't >> give me a hard time about it at all, heard the rattling and replaced >> the cats. > > Wow! I'm surprised they replaced the cats for external noise, since > that > doesn't affect their function. (Internal rattling would be different, > since > that means that the catalyst elements are breaking up.) > > Hmm, I have 75K miles and not even 7 years...time for a trip to the > dealer? > > Neil > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#6. re: cat shields... - from Eric Gravengaard
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:00:19 -0700 From: "Eric Gravengaard" <elg@alum.mit.edu> Subject: re: cat shields... I had this problem. The heat shield that is attached to the underbody had come loose, possibly rusted a bit. I had the part that came loose removed by the mechanic who was changing the tires a few months ago, now no more noise. It will be replaced eventually so I don't start a fire. My problem was not associated with the actual cats though. -Eric G. [95E36M3]

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#7. Re: [E36M3] New Yokohama 032Rs - from mike
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:43:36 -0400 From: mike <95m3ltw@charter.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] New Yokohama 032Rs Since the H stood for hardly any grip, maybe the S just stands for Slow? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: [E36M3] New Yokohama 032Rs > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:23:17 -0400 > From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> > Subject: New Yokohama 032Rs > > Tire Rack has another version of these tires; Compound "S", which stands > for Soft. In the past, all the 032Rs were Compound "H" for Hard (my last > set read the same). Anyone out there tried these new "S" compound? Any > feedback? > > TIA > > A.L. > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#8. Rear Suspension Bits 'n Pieces - from twisty M3
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:58:28 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Rear Suspension Bits 'n Pieces Yowza! This looks even more involved than I originally expected. I'm really starting to wonder if all this stuff really "needs" to be replaced. ;) Anyone who's redone their rear suspension care to look at this list and mention anything I may be missing? On the site I went to, I wasn't able to find the rear subframe bushings. :( Any feedback is more than welcome and if you happen to see any thing that really wouldn't need replacement, please speak up. Many parts were listed as fitting "B30" and/or "B32." Common sense leads me to believe that the 3.2L is B32? Here's the list (it's long!): TRAILING ARM PARTS # 33 32 1 092 247 - Bushing Inner on Rear Upper Control Arm B30 only?? # 33 32 1 097 009 - Mounting Bushing for Rear Trailing Arm (2 Per Car) # 33 32 1 136 311 - Bushing Outer on Rear Lower Control Arm # 33 32 1 140 345 - Bushing Outer on Rear Upper Control Arm # 33 32 2 228 153 - Mounting Bushing for Rear Trailing Arm (2 Per Car) # 33 32 2 227 985 - Trailing Arm Left Rear # 33 32 2 227 986 - Trailing Arm Right Rear TIE ROD PARTS # 32 11 1 140 464 - Lock Plate for Tie Rod to Rack (2 Per Car) # 32 21 1 095 267 - Lock Nut 12mm X 1.5 used on Tie Rods, Ball # 32 21 6 756 327 - Lock Nut for Tie Rod Ends 10mm X 1.0 # 32 11 1 139 313 - Tie Rod End Left # 32 11 1 139 314 - Tie Rod End Right # 32 11 1 139 315 - Tie Rod Left # 32 11 1 139 316 -Tie Rod Right CONTROL ARM PARTS # 33 32 1 092 237 - Control Arm Rear Left & Right Lower # 33 32 1 095 555 - Control Arm Rear Left Upper # 33 32 1 095 556 - Control Arm Rear Right Upper # 31 12 9 069 035 - Bushing Set NOTE: for Lower Control Arm Brackets- #31 12 1 139 789 #31 12 1 139 790 FRONT WHEEL BEARINGS # 31 22 6 757 024 - Wheel Hub Front Hub with Bearing (These just happen to need replacing) Thanks, Jonathan _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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#9. Peter G. and OTC - from ERogers005@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:03:03 EDT From: ERogers005@aol.com Subject: Peter G. and OTC Peter .. how did the OTC go? I know you're writing an article for the Roundel, but how about a snipet of your and Bill's experience in the M3 to whet our appetites. Thanks Ed Rogers

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#10. M3 tire recommendations - from Go, Jeffrey
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 04:37:27 +0200 From: "Go, Jeffrey" <jeffrey.go@sap.com> Subject: M3 tire recommendations Hi gruppe I have been using Michelin Pilot Sports on my 1996 M3..and love them... Time is coming for a change due to wear.. Any recommendations? The Yoko A032R's look AWESOME!! Hehehehe What am I thinking? jeff

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