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#1. RE:Was M-stripes, now 1998 M3 vs. 911 - from M540@bellsouth.net
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:36:26 -0400 From: <M540@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE:Was M-stripes, now 1998 M3 vs. 911 Josh, I'm not surprised that you were able to reel in an older 911, particularly if you were on a straight. My wife's '95 M3 has gobs more torque and a broader power band than my '88 911 so she tends to get a bit of a leap at the low end of each gear. The reduced weight of the 911 helps it keep up pretty well in drag races (not that we've raced each other from a stoplight ... this week), but the 911 makes any gap up (and then some) in corners. (Full disclosure: although the M3 is bone stock, my 911 does have wider rubber than stock which should help it stick a bit better. The 911 also has 168,000 miles on it though.) Chester, I've heard tales of some real ringer engines in M3s, so perhaps you've got one. Otherwise, I think the 993s and 996s are just being nice to you. :) More power and less weight is a pretty straightforward equation. Don't get me wrong, I'm not down on the E36 M3. With more space, a broader power band, MUCH better AC, and more creature comforts, the M3 is the first car taken from our garage 90% of the time. Now if I had a 993 C4S... Kevin
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#2. Was M-stripes, now 1998 M3 vs. 911 - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:37:44 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Was M-stripes, now 1998 M3 vs. 911 Your guys' comparisons against the P cars is funny. I am not defending them, but you really can't say you are beating another car or out pulling it unless similar drivers arrange to drive the cars in the same manner side by side to determine which is faster. Out pulling one away from a toll booth at 2/3rds throttle is meaningless if not humorous. Also, it was known that the 96+ M3s had more than 240 hp at the crank in stock form. Regards, Rich 95 M3 - has passed Porsches at the track and on the street, doesn't mean my car is faster though.
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#3. OT: Mini Cooper S for sale in NJ - from Chris Papademetrious
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:41:27 -0400 From: Chris Papademetrious <chrispy@ieee.org> Subject: OT: Mini Cooper S for sale in NJ (posted with Suzy's permission) My mechanic has a 2002 Liquid Yellow Mini Cooper S for sale. This is the supercharged version with all the premium options (nav system, xenon lights, etc.). The car has plenty of upgrades too - Rogue Engineering CAI, stereo, wheels, and a unique Rogue Engineering dual exhaust system. You can get more information on the car, including pictures, here: http://www.roadfly.org/mini/classifieds/cars/detview.php?view=162 Please contact him directly if interested. Thanks! - Chris
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Was M-stripes, now 1998 M3 vs. 911 - from Peter H Reinhart
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:43:15 -0400 From: "Peter H Reinhart" <reinhart@neuro.duke.edu> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Was M-stripes, now 1998 M3 vs. 911 Hmmm.... I may be restating what's already been said (only have time to read <1% of posts these days), but since we have a '98 M3 and a '91 911 (964) at the house and we take them both to the track, I thought I'd throw my $.02 in... On the track the M3 can't keep up with a well driven 993 or 996. Put stickies on both, and take a track like VIR full, and the P cars will have 1-2 seconds/lap on the M3. The 964 is a lot closer to the M3, but I'd guess a good driver would still eke out a slight advantage on the track. My lap times are about the same in both cars (but I'll tell you which one's more fun to whale around...) The acceleration characteristics of both cars are quite different. The M3 (sharked) seems to pull fairly smoothly from under 3000rpm close to the red line. The 911 is a bit sluggish until you hit 4200 rpm, then it really takes off to red line, making you wish the red line were another 1000 rpm higher. If you can keep the 964 in its power band it will walk away from the M3 (slowly). My experiences based on the cars in our driveway (both almost stock cars)... Cheers, Peter R -----Original Message----- From: M540@bellsouth.net [mailto:M540@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 7:59 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Was M-stripes, now 1998 M3 vs. 911 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:55:33 -0400 From: <M540@bellsouth.net> Subject: Was M-stripes, now 1998 M3 vs. 911 Dave, I cannot speak to your dealer's accuracy about the seat leather thing (though it sounds plausible), but I think he was blowing a little sunshine up your backside regarding the 911 thing. A 1998 911 has a 3.6 liter engine developing 282 hp and 250 ft-lbs of torque which propels it's 3,064 lbs of mass from 0-60 in 5.2 seconds. The 3.2 liter '98 M3 has closer to 240 hp, 236 ft-lbs of torque, has to push another 100 - 200 lbs around, and takes a full 1/2 second longer to reach 60. You are absolutely right about the price thing though, this performance advantage did not come at a small cost (and still doesn't, as a 1998 911 will still run you $30-40+k in good shape.) I love my E36 M3, but the only time it is likely to chew up a 1998 (993) 911 is in a head-on collision. :) If you're looking for a good M3/P-car match up, the E36 M3 does well vs. the 1989 and earlier 911 and may have a good chance vs. the 964s (1989-1994). 2 cents of P-car defense in hostile territory... Kevin 1995 M3 (1/5th of a liter shy of a 1998) 1988 911 (no where close to a 1998)
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#5. Re: Where to route wires through firewall for VDO Gauge senders... - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:49:41 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Where to route wires through firewall for VDO Gauge senders... on 4/28/03 10:18 AM, "Chamberlain, Jesse" <jchamb06@harris.com> wrote: > I believe a bunch of people on this list have done gauge installs, so I was > wondering where in the firewall did you route the wires to the senders (oil > temp and oil pressure)? > BTW, my car is a 93 325i 4 door. I routed mine through an existing rubber gasket high up behind the cover (above your legs) in the passenger footwell. It's relatively easy to fish the wires here from the centre console. This brings them into the engine compartment at the firewall low and directly behind the passenger side strut tower. On my car they come out under the secondary air injection pump, but yours doesn't have one of those, so it'll be easier to pull them through. Carefully figure out how long the wires need to be before routing them. Then make them at least 50% longer... I then concealed and protected the wires inside black plastic split-loom wiring cover, which goes across to the driver's side behind the engine, tie-wrapped to the existing wiring loom covers. At some point the wire to the oil temperature sensor, which in my case replaces the oil pan drain plug, drops down (also in split-loom cover) and is tie-wrapped to the X-brace. If you're screwing the temp sensor into your adapter block then that part won't apply to you. The split-loom to the oil pressure sensor passes under the intake manifold to the adapter block on the oil filter housing. None of these wires is normally visible, so the whole thing looks factory. Neil 96 M3
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#6. Re: E36 Car Cover - from shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:07:50 -0400 From: shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com Subject: Re: E36 Car Cover > I'm wondering if anyone has and can recommend a decent car cover for >the E36's, particularly the coupe. I'm looking for something that's >lockable (say, via a steel cable sewn into the bottom of the car >cover...), and relatively form-fitting. I bought a relatively cheap 'off the shelf' model at Pep Boys for $50 and have been using it to cover my race car for over a year. It's held up well and fits fine. It has the eyelets that let you lock it with a cable as well. Only thing that gets in the way is the tow hooks sticking out from the bumper, but it still fits OK. It is waterproof, but breathable and cost was low enough that I won't cry if something happens to it. I worry about security a lot on the race car lately since I installed my Stack system. The car doesn't even lock and somebody could walk off with the damn thing pretty easily. I do take the steering wheel with me and try to remember to turn off the electrical cutoff in case somebody gets really ambitious. I guess I know now why a lot of guys fork over the cash for enclosed trailers... Shane K. '96 M3 '94 325i #335 JP This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.
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#7. RE: [E36M3] M-stripes on seats, a question? - from Mel Silva
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:39:38 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] M-stripes on seats, a question? No, no, no! The M wheel is "stitched" in the 3 ///M colors while non-M cars have black stitchery -----Original Message----- From: Mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:Mdriver13@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:31 AM To: melsilva@mindspring.com; e36m3@bmw-m.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] M-stripes on seats, a question? In a message dated 4/27/03 4:22:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, melsilva@mindspring.com writes: I have the Lux pack and NO Stripes except the shift knob and steering wheel WHAT, you have M-stripes on the steering wheel???? Where? Is yours a late '97, so you have the three spoke wheel? This is getting crazy. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA AS Champion '97 & '00 BSP Champion '01 & '02
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: E36 Car Cover - And Track Security - from Jason Knight
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:09:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: E36 Car Cover - And Track Security It's unfortunate that we need to worry about security at the track so much. I know that when I first started going to events with my wife, maybe five years ago, I was surprised when she left everything at the track between Sat and Sun. She said not to worry, stuff is always safe at the track. We were secure in this until about 18 months ago, when we got to the track on Sunday and found a set of wheels and tires gone (fortunately crappy tires, but...). I told my wife I couldn't find the wheels, and that maybe they were stolen, and she thought I was joking. Another guy that weekend had his kid's kart stolen. Maybe we were living a fairytale, and it has never been as safe as we thought. We're getting an enclosed trailer soon, but the U4 328 guys had their enclosed trailer broken into and looted a week before otc. Granted, it was in SF, but enclosed trailers are still not completely secure. It's a bummer. Jason --- shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:07:50 -0400 > From: shane.a.kleinpeter@accenture.com > Subject: Re: E36 Car Cover > > I worry about security a lot on the race car lately > since I installed my > Stack system. The car doesn't even lock and > somebody could walk off with > the damn thing pretty easily. I do take the > steering wheel with me and try > to remember to turn off the electrical cutoff in > case somebody gets really > ambitious. I guess I know now why a lot of guys fork > over the cash for > enclosed trailers...
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#9. Re: [E36M3] E36 Coupe car covers.... - from Garrett
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:30:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Garrett <garrettmcw@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 Coupe car covers.... Patrick, Last year I searched like crazy for a cover that would lock securely with some sort of perimeter cable and was unable to find one. California Car Cover will add grommets fairly inexpensively though, so what I did was purchase their "SupremeWeave" cover (which is actually Weathershield fabric) and have grommets added in the front and rear. It comes with grommets on the sides already. I run a cable through the side grommets but since the cover fits so well I haven't felt the need to add anything front-to-back. And regarding security, I figure anyone who wants to steal the car or from the car will just cut the cover--so the lock just keeps them from stealing the cover, which they could still do pretty easily by cutting out around the grommets. The Weathershield fabric is expensive as hell, but is thin and light and does an unbelievable job of keeping the car clean and dry. It leaks a bit at the seams, but I've had the cover on through a thunderstorm and a) it never budged, b) the car was dry underneath afterward except for some dribbles under the seams. One could presumably seal the seam up oneself if desired. As the cover gets dirty it'll let more water through, but it's machine-washable. I've yet to wash mine though, so can't tell you if it returns to like-new waterproofing. -Garrett -------------------- 2 -------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:32:45 -0400 From: "Patrick Buthmann" <patrick@teutonic.ca> Subject: E36 Coupe car covers.... Gang, I'm wondering if anyone has and can recommend a decent car cover for the E36's, particularly the coupe. I'm looking for something that's lockable (say, via a steel cable sewn into the bottom of the car cover...), and relatively form-fitting. Does BMW have a specific one, or is there a suitable after-market unit (preferable, depending upon price). I'm looking for something that I can use to cover and *moderately* secure my car for weekends at the track. My race car will have completely stripped doors, so I'll be needing something that is fairly waterproof / water resistant. It won't need to be safe for trailering, as I'll have a system for putting Lexan inserts in when it's on the trailer. Any ideas? Thanks, Pat
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#10. HP in 1995 M3s - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:07:42 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: HP in 1995 M3s We had this discussion early this month so I thought I would revive it. I had my car dynoed on April 19th at a regional dent & dyno fest here in Ohio. There were a few other M3s there. I pulled 223 rwhp on a Dynojet with my 1995 M3 with Conforti Chip & Intake so I was pretty pleased. There was also a 1997 M3 that had cams which managed 245 rwhp (Brian Leib). But, most interesting was a mostly stock 1995 M3 (fan delete mod, a lightweight flywheel, the 3.2 clutch kit, the air box restrictor mod and the fan shroud fan flap delete, K&N dropin) which managed 228 rwhp! So, maybe Bruce in Texas has been dethroned?!? Albeit, the fan was removed in the car above and it did have a K&N drop-in filter :-) There was also a VW turbo beetle there that managed 279 rwhp.... Later, Rich 95 M3 - feeling a little underpowered...