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#1. RE: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:35:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast So it had a 2-banger? ;-) --- "Dames, Mark" <Mark.Dames@PDO.Co.Santa-Clara.CA.US> wrote: > same motor as the E30 M3 minus two cylinders. Another M5 owner summed it > well when he observed, "Owning an M5 requires total financial commitment". I =====
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#2. Re: E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast - from James Clay
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Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:52:33 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: Re: E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast E30 M3s are big fun! Very nimble and with the high revving engine. They are old though. I think preventative maintenance, especially the accelerated schedule that should be used on a track car, is usually overlooked. If I was buying another E30 M3 to track, I would plan to spend about $1,500 in maintenance parts to make it perfect. I do this to older E36 cars also, but I would expect to get into something newer like an 98 M3 and go to the track with no real work. Stay on top of the maintenance and the E30 M3 will be a blast. If you want something not as cool, but cheaper and as fast, buy an E36 325 for the track weekends. James James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648
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#3. Re: E30 M3 versus E36 - DE car - from m3ltw@msn.com
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Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:57:01 -0700 From: m3ltw@msn.com Subject: Re: E30 M3 versus E36 - DE car What people like about the E30 is its racing essence. The car is light, quick steering, quick turning, fast, good brakes, etc. It's about as close to owning a race car as you will find at that price. The downside? It costs as much as owning a race car. The spares are pricey, especially the motor. So, I would recommend that you consider doing something radical. Why not get yourself a good E36 325, and turn it into a (semi) race car (or buy a used IT car)? If you do it with rationality (e.g.; leave the drivetrain alone, including the motor), you can have a light, fast (as fast as an E30M3), good braking car. And, if you ever want to, you can race it in either BMW CR or SCCA, or NABR, etc. You can make you modifications over time, as budget permits. Just start with a good shell (lower mileage motor), strip it yourself and install a good cage. Dan Snyder > Wrom: ONEUQZAAFXISHJEXXIMQZUIVOTQNQEMSF > > Imagine how much you spend tracking your e36 M3. Multiply that by 3 or 4 and > that's how much it cost to track a E30 M3. This is how a friend that races > (used to race?) a E30 M3 put it. > > -Bobby > > ----- Original Message ----- > Wrom: DULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTL > > > > > > Hi fellow listers... > > > > Three months ago I thought my second car would be an E30 325i; it would be > > my daily driver, and my E36 M3 would be my weekend/DE car. But now I have > > more money to play with, and I am considering an E30 M3 for weekends/DEs, > > and making the E36 my daily driver. > > > > So, for people with experience with the E30 M3, please share your > comments. > > I'd like detailed personal explanations of what makes the E30 so > > universally celebrated among BMW enthusiasts. Spare no insights! > > > > I'd also like to hear warnings, advisories, and what have you r.e., what > > it's like to own, maintain, and just generally live with an E30 M3 on a > 2-3 > > day a week basis. Finally, I know handling is its forte, but will I miss > > the straight line speed going from my stock E36 M3 to a E30 M3? Or does > the > > sheer, raw race car lineage really shine through and "mask" any perceived > > loss of speed? > > > > Thanks!
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#4. RE: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast - from Robert Puertas
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Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:49:25 -0700 From: "Robert Puertas" <Puertas@cox.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast Four months ago I got an offer I couldn't refuse and sold my '88 M3. That same week I found a local guy selling his totally stock '95 M3 and I moved from the e30M3 mailing list to this one. My '95 is totally stock still, and will mostly stay that way as I have a shifter kart in the garage and access to even faster things to race. Plus, it's such a great street car just the way it is. The '88 had H&R Race springs, custom-valved Bilsteins, adjustable sway-bars, camber plates, Jim C. chip. - basically a J-stock car without the roll-cage. The '95 is faster in every measurable way. The '88 however is a more satisfying car to drive hard. The driver feedback is incredible for a 2800 lb. sedan, it's really something special. The driving position is more up-right (better) the travel of the accelerator pedal is longer and thereby more precise. The steering is not quite fast enough for auto-x, as it requires a lot of input, but at higher speeds this means the steering wheel becomes a precision tool. The car is really a joy to drive fast, it feels truly alive at speed where the '95 is a little quicker and competent everywhere, but in comparison you feel a little insulated from the whole experience. Plus the e30 M3 is unique. I see lot's of e36 M3's, but only the occasional e30 M3. OTOH, I saw 3 new Porsche Turbos today during my lunch hour here in SoCal :-) Depending on where you live, seeing an e30 M3 might be a truly rare event, and that rarity is part of the e30 M3's mystique along with the Motorsport heritage. It was literally built to win races, not really the case for any other M cars. And don't discount thinking of the e30 M3 as an investment either. Because of the low production numbers and Motorsports heritage of the e30 M3, it wouldn't be surprising to see nice examples hold their value much better than the e36 M3. If all of that appeals to you, then the e30 M3 is a great choice for a weekend toy / auto-x / driver's school car. For a dedicated track car I would probably look elsewhere. Just to keep all of the above drivel in perspective, I sold my '88 for exactly the same price I paid for the '95. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Jon Phillips [mailto:jon@maximumpc.com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:59 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 09:49:59 -0700 From: jon@maximumpc.com (Jon Phillips) Subject: E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast Hi fellow listers... Three months ago I thought my second car would be an E30 325i; it would be my daily driver, and my E36 M3 would be my weekend/DE car. But now I have more money to play with, and I am considering an E30 M3 for weekends/DEs, and making the E36 my daily driver. So, for people with experience with the E30 M3, please share your comments. I'd like detailed personal explanations of what makes the E30 so universally celebrated among BMW enthusiasts. Spare no insights! I'd also like to hear warnings, advisories, and what have you r.e., what it's like to own, maintain, and just generally live with an E30 M3 on a 2-3 day a week basis. Finally, I know handling is its forte, but will I miss the straight line speed going from my stock E36 M3 to a E30 M3? Or does the sheer, raw race car lineage really shine through and "mask" any perceived loss of speed? Thanks! ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. RE: claying (was Re: [E36M3] RE: Removal of Tire Marks from Paint) - from Mel Silva
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Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:15:54 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: claying (was Re: [E36M3] RE: Removal of Tire Marks from Paint) As a "second opinion" I offer an excerpt from "Car Care Online" about the use/abuse of clay: "Many people are touting overspray clay as the new way to "clean" your paint. This is somewhat like washing your face by peeling off the top layer of skin. You will uncover a layer of fresh clean skin, but this may not be the most comfortable nor beneficial experience for your face. Clays smooth the surface of paint by grinding off the microscopic high spots of your paint, much like sandpaper smoothes a piece of wood. They are the best way to remove paint overspray, tree sap build up and other impossible to remove surface contaminants. Realize that you are also removing some paint with the contaminants, so usage of a clay should be utilized only after all other more gentle methods of cleaning your paint have failed." Granted, many people are also touting the benefits of "peels" for you face to remove pockmarks and scarring, but unlike your skin, paint does not grow back. Food for thought, Mel > Most of the alternatives suggested > (Goo-Gone, Bug and Tar Removal) > will take wax off, so at that point you might as > well just use plain old > polish, no? hmmm .. i don't think so. use a polish when you want to buff up your clear coat to remove oxidation and scratches. goo gone will simply dissolve the tire marks, not doing anything to your clear coat. too much polishing means less clearcoat. allow me to take a moment to plug the virtues of detailing clay. if you are considering polishing your car, clay it first. clay is simply amazing, and will probably lead you to believe you don't need to polish after all. i clay the cars once per year so the paint stays buttery smooth. make sure to do a thorough wax job afterwards becuase clay removes *everything* from the paint/clearcoat, including wax. here's a test: next time you wash your car, run your hand over a wet part of the hood or roof. if you can feel little bits of crud in there, it's time to clay. it's a fast process -- you suds up a section of the car, grab a chunk of clay in your palm, and run it over the soapy paint until it's glassy smooth -- usually 3-4 passes is sufficient to remove *everything* (tar, sap, bits, chunks, etc). a full clay job takes me 30-45 minutes. here are some places online that sell it: http://search.shopping.yahoo.com/search/all/__yltc=s:22708228,d:14489115,w:s earch?is=1&p=detailing+clay&did= http://www.autopia.org/ has more detailing info than one person would ever need, including info about claying. enjoy! zs __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. Re: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast - from Jeremy Lucas
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Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:45:53 -0400 From: "Jeremy Lucas" <jlucas@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast Wow, one of those really rare '88 M3 sedans..... (sorry couldn't resist) ;) Jeremy Lucas 95 M3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Puertas" <Puertas@cox.net> The '88 had ..... The '88 however is a more satisfying car to drive hard. The driver feedback is incredible for a 2800 lb. sedan, it's really something special.
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#7. Re: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast - from Bruce
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Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:17:30 -0500 From: "Bruce" <gobuffs93@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast All E30s are considered sedans. Technically a sedan doesn't mean 4 doors like most Americans think. Bruce 95 M3 (daily driver) 89 M3 2.5 (track car) the best of both worlds > Wow, one of those really rare '88 M3 sedans..... (sorry couldn't > resist) ;) > > Jeremy Lucas > 95 M3 > The '88 had ..... > The '88 however is a more satisfying car to drive hard. > The driver feedback is incredible for a 2800 lb. sedan, it's really > something special.
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#8. OT: E46 M3 versus Eclipse GSX - from Chris Papademetrious
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Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:33:33 -0400 From: Chris Papademetrious <chrispy@ieee.org> Subject: OT: E46 M3 versus Eclipse GSX Off topic (sort of) - a friend sent me a link to a street race between an E46 M3 and a modified Eclipse GSX. I love the surprise ending! http://www.illz.net/E46_M3_VS_Eclipse_GSX.wmv - Chris
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#9. RE: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast - from Mel Silva
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Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:12:57 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast If you want to get "technical", is it a "sedan" or a "saloon"? ;) -----Original Message----- From: Bruce [mailto:gobuffs93@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:19 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:17:30 -0500 From: "Bruce" <gobuffs93@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast All E30s are considered sedans. Technically a sedan doesn't mean 4 doors like most Americans think. Bruce 95 M3 (daily driver) 89 M3 2.5 (track car) the best of both worlds > Wow, one of those really rare '88 M3 sedans..... (sorry couldn't > resist) ;) > > Jeremy Lucas > 95 M3 > The '88 had ..... > The '88 however is a more satisfying car to drive hard. > The driver feedback is incredible for a 2800 lb. sedan, it's really > something special.
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#10. RE: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast - from Robert Puertas
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Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:37:51 -0700 From: "Robert Puertas" <Puertas@cox.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast Touring car? -----Original Message----- From: Mel Silva [mailto:melsilva@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 6:19 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:12:57 -0500 From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast If you want to get "technical", is it a "sedan" or a "saloon"? ;) -----Original Message----- From: Bruce [mailto:gobuffs93@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:19 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:17:30 -0500 From: "Bruce" <gobuffs93@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E30 M3 versus E36 - compare/contrast All E30s are considered sedans. Technically a sedan doesn't mean 4 doors like most Americans think. Bruce 95 M3 (daily driver) 89 M3 2.5 (track car) the best of both worlds > Wow, one of those really rare '88 M3 sedans..... (sorry couldn't > resist) ;) > > Jeremy Lucas > 95 M3 > The '88 had ..... > The '88 however is a more satisfying car to drive hard. > The driver feedback is incredible for a 2800 lb. sedan, it's really > something special. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************