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#1. Tramlining - from CurtAinSB@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 00:37:54 EDT From: CurtAinSB@aol.com Subject: Tramlining There has been some discussion about tramlining recently, but I've never heard anyone mention this. My '95 on MXX3's never tramlined much at all, but suddenly it seemed to want to follow the tiniest creases in even smooth roads. I found that our cars are EXTREMELY sensitive to differences in air pressure in the tires. This makes sense, because they have such a low profile that there is very little sidewall "give". When I set the pressures correctly with an accurate, dial gauge, the tramlining went away. Curt Allen
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Wheel Spacers/RTABs - from Robert Chay
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Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 07:52:37 -0400 From: Robert Chay <rclists@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Wheel Spacers/RTABs Jonathan, I had RK 17x8 for about 2 weeks. They didn't fit over my Brembo brakes with 20mm spacers so I had to sell them. Why do you want spacers in the rear? They should fit fine w/o any issues in the rear. If you're worried about the little rubbing in the front, I'd suggest getting 5mm spacers. The RK's fit fine in the rear. I'm running about -1.7 in the rear also and about -2.5 front. I use 20mm spacers for my ACS Type III and stock forged wheels for the front and 5mm spacers in the front with Forgelines. Congrats on hitting 100k. -Bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> > > Howdy all, > > 1) I have 8.5" factory Contours on the front and rear with 245/40-17 SO3s > and I'm starting to notice some contact between the strut and tire. Not > much, but I'd rather play it safe and get some spacers. I'd also prefer to > get them in the front and rear, and be able to use them with my 8" RKs for > track use. My rear fenders are rolled. > > Does anyone have experience with these wheel choices and 5mm vs 10mm wheel > spacers? I'm sure 10mm would probably work with the RKs, but they may be a > bit wide for the Contours in the rear. Does anyone run these wheels with > the 10mm spacers? For what it's worth, I've got close to -3.5 degrees of > camber in the front, and about -1.7 in the rear. > > 2) Just got my car back with it's new RTABs (stock rubber) and GC inserts. > Holy Cow!!!! I guess they were in worse shape than I realized, because the > car feels transformed now. No more left/right hop when I hit bad pavement > and it feels like the car puts down power (in a more controlled fashion) > much better too. It's a suprising difference of the old bushings, and I'm > VERY happy. Especially since no other bushings appeared to need > replacement. I can't really attest to the value of the GC inserts yet, but > will be giving the car a good workout in Las Vegas (sign up if you haven't > yet!!) in about two weeks. > > 3) I just officially hit 100k miles on my way back from the mechanic (car > will be 4 years old in 2 months), and I'm very happy the motor didn't blow > up. ;) > > Jonathan L. >
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#3. Vehicle weight - from Thomas G. Clark
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Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 08:35:44 -0500 From: "Thomas G. Clark" <toclark@cisco.com> Subject: Vehicle weight Hi, Anyone have an idea what a standard e36 M3 coupe weighs? I'm really looking for actual weight, not GVW which would be fully loaded as I understand it. I'm trying to size out a trailer and need to figure out what the total weight I'm going to be towing is. TIA, Tom
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Vehicle weight - from Jason Knight
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 07:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Vehicle weight This should have the info you are looking for: http://www.bmwccaclubracing.com/2003%20Series/Rules/tableofbmws.htm Jason --- "Thomas G. Clark" <toclark@cisco.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 08:35:44 -0500 > From: "Thomas G. Clark" <toclark@cisco.com> > Subject: Vehicle weight > > Hi, > > Anyone have an idea what a standard e36 M3 coupe > weighs? > I'm really looking for actual weight, not GVW which > would be fully > loaded as I understand it. I'm trying to size out a > trailer and need > to figure out what the total weight I'm going to be > towing is. > > TIA, > > Tom > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Vehicle weight - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:05:57 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Vehicle weight Tom, If you are just sizing a trailer, you don't have to be exact on the weight. In fact, you don't want to be exact. You want the trailer to be a little oversized. E36 M3 weighs about 3,200 lbs. I would figure on a trailer capacity of 5,000 lbs. That gives you plenty of extra capacity for tools, tires, lawn chairs, etc.... Lowell Seaton '95 M3 BMW CCA #131505 -------------------------------------- toclark@cisco.com writes: > Anyone have an idea what a standard e36 M3 coupe weighs? > I'm really looking for actual weight, not GVW which would be fully > loaded as I understand it. I'm trying to size out a trailer and need > to figure out what the total weight I'm going to be towing is. >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Wheel Spacers/RTABs - from twisty M3
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Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 08:23:57 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Wheel Spacers/RTABs >From: Robert Chay <rclists@comcast.net> > > >I had RK 17x8 for about 2 weeks. They didn't fit over my Brembo brakes with >20mm spacers so I had to sell them. Why do you want spacers in the rear? >They should fit fine w/o any issues in the rear. > The RKs fit fine front and rear... no issues at all. I'm getting spacers for my street wheels (Contours) and will probably just leave the spacers on for the RKs, since there's plenty of room for them to go wider. My reason for running spacers in the rear is purely mental. ;) I'm very happy with the way my car feels now, so if I'm effectively going to be widening the track in front, I'd like to do it by the same amount in the rear. > >Congrats on hitting 100k. > Thanks!!! I just wonder what's next... Something with high wallet shock value, I'm sure. Jonathan L. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Wheel Spacers/RTABs - from Robert Chay
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Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 13:00:09 -0400 From: Robert Chay <rclists@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Wheel Spacers/RTABs ----- Original Message ----- From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> > > The RKs fit fine front and rear... no issues at all. I'm getting spacers > for my street wheels (Contours) and will probably just leave the spacers on > for the RKs, since there's plenty of room for them to go wider. I would run w/o spacers if I had a choice. That's part of the reason I bought Forgelines. But I ended up having to use 5mm spacers (17x9 with 245/40 fr) > My reason for running spacers in the rear is purely mental. ;) I'm very > happy with the way my car feels now, so if I'm effectively going to be > widening the track in front, I'd like to do it by the same amount in the > rear. I run 20mm spacers up front for my street wheels and auto-x wheels and it's not too bad. I don't think you really need to widen the track on the rears as well. > >Congrats on hitting 100k. > > Thanks!!! I just wonder what's next... Something with high wallet shock > value, I'm sure. I doubt it. There are a lot of guys with over 100k on their e36m3's w/o major problems. -Bobby
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#8. PF90s and rain, track pressures for S-O3s - from David Ngo
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:23:55 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> Subject: PF90s and rain, track pressures for S-O3s Hi, I'm headed to Summit Point this weekend for a DE and will be using PF90s. The weather forecast calls for some rain over the weekend. I vaguely remember people having some issues with brake dust from race pads and rain where the brake dust would become very difficult to remove from the wheels and paintwork. Does anyone have experience with the dust from PF90s after it's gotten wet? Any tips for preventing the semi-permanent marriage of wet brake dust to my wheels? Also, as this is my first DE, what pressures should I be running with my 245/40-17 S-O3s all around? I was prepared to go with my autox pressures (42F, 38R cold) but figured that I might want to go with a bit less for the track as the tires will get hotter than in autox. Thanks, Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
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#9. RE: [E36M3] PF90s and rain, track pressures for S-O3s - from Dave Spragg
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:11:25 -0400 From: "Dave Spragg" <dspragg@attbi.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] PF90s and rain, track pressures for S-O3s PF90 and PF97 pads put off dust that sticks like crazy in the wet but not as bad as the Hawk Blues (even the newer compound). You need to get it off the wheels fast in order to have a chance and if you are a faster driver you need to watch the car itself behind the wheel areas. For the car I would use a thick coat of wax and not even buff it off... Just leave it nice and thick in those areas. For the wheels I have heard that removing them from the car (so you don't get the rotors) and spraying them with PAM or something like that works well but haven't tried it since my race wheels are not super pretty. I recommend the Olive Oil PAM as it's high in monounsaturated fats not to mention Polyphenols which are sure to be good for your wheels. ;) For street tires on a twisty track like that I would start with 32 psi all the way around and check them after the first session as a guide for which tires require less. If it's actually raining the S03's might want 37-38 psi hot especially if you have a little camber. I am not super knowledgeable on street tires though... Ok, that is an understatement but I work on them with my students a lot these days. Dave Spragg dave@spragg.com 99 M3 street 92 318is #330 IP (95 M3 engine and suspension) -----Original Message----- From: David Ngo [mailto:rudngo@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:27 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] PF90s and rain, track pressures for S-O3s Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:23:55 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> Subject: PF90s and rain, track pressures for S-O3s Hi, I'm headed to Summit Point this weekend for a DE and will be using PF90s. The weather forecast calls for some rain over the weekend. I vaguely remember people having some issues with brake dust from race pads and rain where the brake dust would become very difficult to remove from the wheels and paintwork. Does anyone have experience with the dust from PF90s after it's gotten wet? Any tips for preventing the semi-permanent marriage of wet brake dust to my wheels? Also, as this is my first DE, what pressures should I be running with my 245/40-17 S-O3s all around? I was prepared to go with my autox pressures (42F, 38R cold) but figured that I might want to go with a bit less for the track as the tires will get hotter than in autox. Thanks, Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. RE: [E36M3] PF90s and rain, track pressures for S-O3s - from Scott Yu
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:05:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Yu <segascott@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] PF90s and rain, track pressures for S-O3s Hey Dave! What's shaking? --- Dave Spragg <dspragg@attbi.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:11:25 -0400 > I recommend the Olive Oil PAM as it's high in > monounsaturated fats not to > mention Polyphenols which are sure to be good for > your wheels. ;) To add to Dave's comments, 1) Imperial Hand Glaze from 3M will get the brake-deposited rust flecks off the paint, but as he said - HEAVY COAT OF WAX before you go. My car got freckled in a nasty way by Hawk Blues in the wet, and rust flecks show up remarkably well on alpinweiss. I freaked out until I tried the IHG, and hey, you get to detail your car at the same time. Also, if you find your car rust-flecked in such a fashion, don't forget to open the doors and trunk and use the IHG in the jambs. You'll probably regret it if you let it sit there. 2) If you're planning on spraying your rotors with PAM, I'd highly recommend one of the scented flavors so your instructor can say "Brake harder... harder... HARDER... does something smell like bacon?!!" 3) (legal disclaimer) Ignore number two if you didn't think it was a joke. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com