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#1. Re: Track Wheels - from K. Bishop
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:37:10 -0500 From: "K. Bishop" <kbishop371@attbi.com> Subject: Re: Track Wheels Kurt, I'm in the same boat as you. Two track events, a car control clinic, ~15K miles and (sadly) a recent puncture have done in my SO-3s. I've ordered replacements, but I'm sorely tempted to buy a separate set of track tires & wheels for the same reason as you. I want to get rid of the staggered set up, so I've been looking for four wheels all the same size. I'm having trouble connecting with a used set so I may wind up buying new. The BBS RK in 17x8 is the most likely candidate due to price, etc... A little more (OK, ~$90 each) will get SSR Competitions which are highly thought of and weigh less than 15lbs each. My instructors and more experienced drivers at the track have recommended that I not jump right into R-compound tires though. Their thought is that I should use street tires to learn how to drive cleanly and then consider moving up. Seems like good advice, but now I'm wondering what a reasonable learning tire would be. Have you (or anybody else reading this) thought about this? Crazy idea or reasonable? And while I'm asking, the Tire Rack still has some of the older 235/40-17 Yoko AVS Intermediates for $63 each. Would these be reasonable for this purpose? Going down the same slope... Kevin > Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:01:35 EDT > From: KResener@aol.com > Subject: Track Wheels > > > I'm *this* close to convincing myself that I need a set of track tires and > wheels to reduce the wear on my street tires for the couple of DE's I do a > year. (down the slope I go...) > <snip> > Kurt
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#2. Re: LTW flywheel noise; anyone using Redline Shockproof oil? - from James Clay
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 19:55:36 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: Re: LTW flywheel noise; anyone using Redline Shockproof oil? I would doubt Shockproof would help much. I believe the rattle is due to the throwout bearing being slightly loose - I could be wrong. In any case, shockproof is too heavy for the street in my opinion. I have MT-90 in my street car with a 6 speed, same MPD flywheel, and in the winter when the fluid is extra thick, I still have plenty of rattle. James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels - from DocWyte
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels I've had track wheels/tires for auto-x for the past few years. For drivers schools I'm not sure if it's really worth it. You generally don't do all that much tire wear, unless you're *really* pushing it, at which point I question why you're pushing it that hard at a drivers school. If you have that need for speed and competition, you ought to get involved in IT or club racing... Anyways, a second set of wheels and tires will cost quite a bit of cash, and unless you're doing 5+ schools a season, you probably won't get much return on them. Most instructors don't like people jumping to R rubber because they give very little warning before they loose adhesion and their adhesion levels are very high, giving you a false sense of security. It can make for a *very* expensive weekend unless you know when they're going to let loose and know how to catch the car... -josh --- "K. Bishop" <kbishop371@attbi.com> wrote: > Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:37:10 -0500 > From: "K. Bishop" <kbishop371@attbi.com> > Subject: Re: Track Wheels > > Kurt, > > I'm in the same boat as you. Two track events, a car > control clinic, ~15K > miles and (sadly) a recent puncture have done in my > SO-3s. I've ordered > replacements, but I'm sorely tempted to buy a > separate set of track tires & > wheels for the same reason as you. > > I want to get rid of the staggered set up, so I've > been looking for four > wheels all the same size. I'm having trouble > connecting with a used set so I > may wind up buying new. The BBS RK in 17x8 is the > most likely candidate due > to price, etc... A little more (OK, ~$90 each) will > get SSR Competitions > which are highly thought of and weigh less than > 15lbs each. > > My instructors and more experienced drivers at the > track have recommended > that I not jump right into R-compound tires though. > Their thought is that I > should use street tires to learn how to drive > cleanly and then consider > moving up. Seems like good advice, but now I'm > wondering what a reasonable > learning tire would be. > > Have you (or anybody else reading this) thought > about this? Crazy idea or > reasonable? And while I'm asking, the Tire Rack > still has some of the older > 235/40-17 Yoko AVS Intermediates for $63 each. Would > these be reasonable for > this purpose? > > Going down the same slope... > Kevin > > > Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:01:35 EDT > > From: KResener@aol.com > > Subject: Track Wheels > > > > > > I'm *this* close to convincing myself that I need > a set of track tires and > > wheels to reduce the wear on my street tires for > the couple of DE's I do a > > year. (down the slope I go...) > > <snip> > > Kurt > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels - from Jason Knight
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:34:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels I disagree on a ouple of items. I'm not sure what you are referring to as drivers school, but when I go to events at a track I push it fairly hard, limited more by my skill than my desire to push it. Some tracks are very hard on tires, in which case it is nice to have that set of $65 avs intermediaries instead of ruining that set of $150+ Brand X. A set of wheels is cheap as well. I've spent a total of $1550 for two sets of wheels, each set having tires on them that had enough tread to run for a while (thanks Ed and Roger!). They take up some space, but 17 X 8s are not that bad when you put it in perspective: http://www.lonepinebeaterchallenge.com/images/hersnhis.jpg (imagine trying to store 16 spare wheels and tires in one California sized garage - more on that later) Kevin, regarding going to R compunds, I was advised by people that had oodles of track experience to wait, and run on street tires for a good amount of time. I'm glad that I haven't gone to track rubber yet, and when I do I imagine that I will appreciate it. The avs intermediaries are decent cheap tires, and perfect for track use when learning and having fun, and time and position aren't on the line. I have a $600 set of staggered 10 spokes for sale: http://www.lonepinebeaterchallenge.com/images/10spoke.jpg but you mentioned that you're looking for the same size all the way around, which I too think is the way to go for track wheels. Jason --- DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT) > From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels > > I've had track wheels/tires for auto-x for the past > few years. For drivers schools I'm not sure if it's > really worth it. You generally don't do all that > much > tire wear, unless you're *really* pushing it, at > which > point I question why you're pushing it that hard at > a > drivers school. If you have that need for speed and > competition, you ought to get involved in IT or club > racing... > > Anyways, a second set of wheels and tires will cost > quite a bit of cash, and unless you're doing 5+ > schools a season, you probably won't get much return > on them. > > Most instructors don't like people jumping to R > rubber > because they give very little warning before they > loose adhesion and their adhesion levels are very > high, giving you a false sense of security. It can > make for a *very* expensive weekend unless you know > when they're going to let loose and know how to > catch > the car... > > -josh > > > --- "K. Bishop" <kbishop371@attbi.com> wrote: > > Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:37:10 -0500 > > From: "K. Bishop" <kbishop371@attbi.com> > > Subject: Re: Track Wheels > > > > Kurt, > > > > I'm in the same boat as you. Two track events, a > car > > control clinic, ~15K > > miles and (sadly) a recent puncture have done in > my > > SO-3s. I've ordered > > replacements, but I'm sorely tempted to buy a > > separate set of track tires & > > wheels for the same reason as you. > > > > I want to get rid of the staggered set up, so I've > > been looking for four > > wheels all the same size. I'm having trouble > > connecting with a used set so I > > may wind up buying new. The BBS RK in 17x8 is the > > most likely candidate due > > to price, etc... A little more (OK, ~$90 each) > will > > get SSR Competitions > > which are highly thought of and weigh less than > > 15lbs each. > > > > My instructors and more experienced drivers at the > > track have recommended > > that I not jump right into R-compound tires > though. > > Their thought is that I > > should use street tires to learn how to drive > > cleanly and then consider > > moving up. Seems like good advice, but now I'm > > wondering what a reasonable > > learning tire would be. > > > > Have you (or anybody else reading this) thought > > about this? Crazy idea or > > reasonable? And while I'm asking, the Tire Rack > > still has some of the older > > 235/40-17 Yoko AVS Intermediates for $63 each. > Would > > these be reasonable for > > this purpose? > > > > Going down the same slope... > > Kevin > > > > > Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:01:35 EDT > > > From: KResener@aol.com > > > Subject: Track Wheels > > > > > > > > > I'm *this* close to convincing myself that I > need > > a set of track tires and > > > wheels to reduce the wear on my street tires for > > the couple of DE's I do a > > > year. (down the slope I go...) > > > <snip> > > > Kurt > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > > sponsors: > > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#5. FS: Stock 10 spoke wheels - from Jason Knight
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:56:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: FS: Stock 10 spoke wheels I have a set of stock 10 spoke wheels with re-730s mounted on them. The tires are at the wear marker on two tires, nearing the marker on the other two. They are staggered, 2 @ 17 x 7.5, 2 @ 17 x 8.5. I would like $600 for the entire set. I would prefer a local sale (I am in Santa Barbara), but would be willing to ship if someone *has* to have these wheels. They are straight, but have some blemishes. They are like student art, in that they have an ideal viewing distance. Pictures of the set can be seen here: http://www.lonepinebeaterchallenge.com/images/10spoke.jpg I can take additional photos and post them on the 'net if there is interest. If you have questions email me at knight2244@yahoo.com. Go Lakers. Jason
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels - from Michael
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 00:33:43 -0400 From: Michael <95m3ltw@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels Few points that I think you are missing. 1. It will come with experience, having a set of track wheels is almost a requirement after you reach a certain level. I have had beginner students who were chunking their pilot sports etc at the 1st or 2nd school they were attending. Street tires do not hold up in a track environment very well once you achieve a certain level. SO it becomes quite expensive to trash a set of pilot sports vs a dedicated set of track tires. I have witnessed stock M3s with less than 1500 miles cord their tires during a weekend school. Driven at 8/10ths or higher, they wear quite fast. And I would say these students were not pushing it, they were operating the car under its limit within their ability. Track tires also make sense when you start using track pads, which are needed after a few schools for the typical student, so you don't ruin a set of nice stock rims. 2. I question your comment about not wearing tires unless you are 'pushing it' and then to say you should not be 'pushing it' at a drivers school. Your 10/10ths might be somebody else's 5/10ths and it is left up to the instructors/school officials to question if they are pushing it. Would you tell a Schumacher they are pushing it since they might wear the tires on a 575M etc? I don't think so. The track is the only safe place to push the car and ones ability, otherwise you are not learning anything. Only beginner students should not strive to push the car or themselves, people who have been doing schools and advancing with skills of driving, need to push it to learn what the car does at the limit, realize where their own limits are etc. 3. Never, ever start racing unless you have pushed the limits and learned from it. Start racing without that knowledge, you are going to kill someone in the process. So I never like to see the attitude of 'if you want to go fast, go racing' It should be 'learn how to go fast, prove your skills to yourself and others, then go racing' 4. You are right about R compound tires and a beginner. It is best to start on a older design street tire, so you can get feed back on what the car is doing, push the limits of the tires, learn how to maintain control of the car etc. I would never recommend a first year student buying R compound tires, except for the Yoko 032, they perform about like a street tire and actually there are street tires that outperform them on the track. They are mostly a driver school tire since they perform too poorly to be considered a race tire. Mike Would have a Heart Attack to recall how much I have spent on track tires, but it was worth every cent >-----Original Message----- >From: DocWyte [mailto:josh_wyte@yahoo.com] >Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 9:55 PM >To: E36M3 >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels > > >Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT) >From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels > >I've had track wheels/tires for auto-x for the past >few years. For drivers schools I'm not sure if it's >really worth it. You generally don't do all that much >tire wear, unless you're *really* pushing it, at which >point I question why you're pushing it that hard at a >drivers school. If you have that need for speed and >competition, you ought to get involved in IT or club racing... > >Anyways, a second set of wheels and tires will cost >quite a bit of cash, and unless you're doing 5+ >schools a season, you probably won't get much return >on them. > >Most instructors don't like people jumping to R rubber >because they give very little warning before they >loose adhesion and their adhesion levels are very >high, giving you a false sense of security. It can >make for a *very* expensive weekend unless you know >when they're going to let loose and know how to catch >the car... > >-josh > > >--- "K. Bishop" <kbishop371@attbi.com> wrote: >> Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:37:10 -0500 >> From: "K. Bishop" <kbishop371@attbi.com> >> Subject: Re: Track Wheels >> >> Kurt, >> >> I'm in the same boat as you. Two track events, a car >> control clinic, ~15K >> miles and (sadly) a recent puncture have done in my >> SO-3s. I've ordered >> replacements, but I'm sorely tempted to buy a >> separate set of track tires & >> wheels for the same reason as you. >> >> I want to get rid of the staggered set up, so I've >> been looking for four >> wheels all the same size. I'm having trouble >> connecting with a used set so I >> may wind up buying new. The BBS RK in 17x8 is the >> most likely candidate due >> to price, etc... A little more (OK, ~$90 each) will >> get SSR Competitions >> which are highly thought of and weigh less than >> 15lbs each. >> >> My instructors and more experienced drivers at the >> track have recommended >> that I not jump right into R-compound tires though. >> Their thought is that I >> should use street tires to learn how to drive >> cleanly and then consider >> moving up. Seems like good advice, but now I'm >> wondering what a reasonable >> learning tire would be. >> >> Have you (or anybody else reading this) thought >> about this? Crazy idea or >> reasonable? And while I'm asking, the Tire Rack >> still has some of the older >> 235/40-17 Yoko AVS Intermediates for $63 each. Would >> these be reasonable for >> this purpose? >> >> Going down the same slope... >> Kevin >> >> > Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:01:35 EDT >> > From: KResener@aol.com >> > Subject: Track Wheels >> > >> > >> > I'm *this* close to convincing myself that I need >> a set of track tires and >> > wheels to reduce the wear on my street tires for >> the couple of DE's I do a >> > year. (down the slope I go...) >> > <snip> >> > Kurt >> >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our >> sponsors: >> Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> >> DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> ************************************************* >> >> > > >===== > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com > > >************************************************* >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue >Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 >Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 22:37:52 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels Michael at 95m3ltw@comcast.net wrote: > Few points that I think you are missing. > > 1. It will come with experience, having a set of track wheels is almost > a requirement after you reach a certain level. I have had beginner > students who were chunking their pilot sports etc at the 1st or 2nd > school they were attending. In my experience this is almost always (as in, greater than 90% probability) because the student is abusing their tires because they donšt know any better. > Track tires also make sense when you start using track pads, which are needed > after a few schools for the typical student, so you don't ruin a set of nice > stock rims. True, but the other thing I see often is inexperienced students moving to track pads because they haven't learned braking technique yet. It's amazing how much better those nice, cheap stock pads hold up when you learn to manage your brakes. - Mark -- mark@pdc-racing.net
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#8. RE: [E36M3] Tire trailer question - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 08:53:47 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Tire trailer question I based my trailer off the instructions found here: http://www.s2ki.com/article/articleview/122/1/58/ and I am very happy with it. Now if only someone made a trailer hitch for E46M3's..... -Wayne Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 15:36:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Garrett <garrettmcw@yahoo.com> Subject: Tire trailer question Group, I'm putting together one of those Harbor Freight utility trailers and would appreciate some advice on tire mounting arrangements. I've seen them on vertical posts made of galvanized pipe, and I've seen them placed horizontally with a pipe through all four tires plus welded-on side brackets. I was all set to go with vertical pipes but find that my tires are too big to really fit well on the trailer that way. They hang off the front and sides--it'd be better if they were on the trailer bed completely, and them being so far forward makes me worry about tongue weight. Another idea is to bolt two 4"x4" posts across the trailer bed with the tires in a horizontal stack between them, secured with a motorcycle strap or chain through a PVC pipe. I'm trying to keep it simple and avoid welding (since it's way over budget already). Also, the Contico job-box that most people seem to use is pretty cheapo but I haven't found a better alternative. Any suggestions or feedback on all this would help a bunch... thanks. -Garrett
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels - from DocWyte
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 07:49:33 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels My point about pushing really hard at a Drivers School, NOT track event is that if you feel the need to be that competitive and push that hard for lap times in an environment that's supposed to be more about learning, then you need to transition to time trials or something else... -josh --- Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:34:45 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels > > I disagree on a ouple of items. I'm not sure what > you > are referring to as drivers school, but when I go to > events at a track I push it fairly hard, limited > more > by my skill than my desire to push it. Some tracks > are very hard on tires, in which case it is nice to > have that set of $65 avs intermediaries instead of > ruining that set of $150+ Brand X. A set of wheels > is > cheap as well. I've spent a total of $1550 for two > sets of wheels, each set having tires on them that > had > enough tread to run for a while (thanks Ed and > Roger!). They take up some space, but 17 X 8s are > not > that bad when you put it in perspective: > > http://www.lonepinebeaterchallenge.com/images/hersnhis.jpg > > (imagine trying to store 16 spare wheels and tires > in > one California sized garage - more on that later) > > Kevin, regarding going to R compunds, I was advised > by > people that had oodles of track experience to wait, > and run on street tires for a good amount of time. > I'm glad that I haven't gone to track rubber yet, > and > when I do I imagine that I will appreciate it. > > The avs intermediaries are decent cheap tires, and > perfect for track use when learning and having fun, > and time and position aren't on the line. > > I have a $600 set of staggered 10 spokes for sale: > > http://www.lonepinebeaterchallenge.com/images/10spoke.jpg > > but you mentioned that you're looking for the same > size all the way around, which I too think is the > way > to go for track wheels. > > Jason > > --- DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT) > > From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> > > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels > > > > I've had track wheels/tires for auto-x for the > past > > few years. For drivers schools I'm not sure if > it's > > really worth it. You generally don't do all that > > much > > tire wear, unless you're *really* pushing it, at > > which > > point I question why you're pushing it that hard > at > > a > > drivers school. If you have that need for speed > and > > competition, you ought to get involved in IT or > club > > racing... > > > > Anyways, a second set of wheels and tires will > cost > > quite a bit of cash, and unless you're doing 5+ > > schools a season, you probably won't get much > return > > on them. > > > > Most instructors don't like people jumping to R > > rubber > > because they give very little warning before they > > loose adhesion and their adhesion levels are very > > high, giving you a false sense of security. It > can > > make for a *very* expensive weekend unless you > know > > when they're going to let loose and know how to > > catch > > the car... > > > > -josh > > > > > > --- "K. Bishop" <kbishop371@attbi.com> wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:37:10 -0500 > > > From: "K. Bishop" <kbishop371@attbi.com> > > > Subject: Re: Track Wheels > > > > > > Kurt, > > > > > > I'm in the same boat as you. Two track events, a > > car > > > control clinic, ~15K > > > miles and (sadly) a recent puncture have done in > > my > > > SO-3s. I've ordered > > > replacements, but I'm sorely tempted to buy a > > > separate set of track tires & > > > wheels for the same reason as you. > > > > > > I want to get rid of the staggered set up, so > I've > > > been looking for four > > > wheels all the same size. I'm having trouble > > > connecting with a used set so I > > > may wind up buying new. The BBS RK in 17x8 is > the > > > most likely candidate due > > > to price, etc... A little more (OK, ~$90 each) > > will > > > get SSR Competitions > > > which are highly thought of and weigh less than > > > 15lbs each. > > > > > > My instructors and more experienced drivers at > the > > > track have recommended > > > that I not jump right into R-compound tires > > though. > > > Their thought is that I > > > should use street tires to learn how to drive > > > cleanly and then consider > > > moving up. Seems like good advice, but now I'm > > > wondering what a reasonable > > > learning tire would be. > > > > > > Have you (or anybody else reading this) thought > > > about this? Crazy idea or > > > reasonable? And while I'm asking, the Tire Rack > > > still has some of the older > > > 235/40-17 Yoko AVS Intermediates for $63 each. > > Would > > > these be reasonable for > > > this purpose? > > > > > > Going down the same slope... > > > Kevin > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:01:35 EDT > > > > From: KResener@aol.com > > > > Subject: Track Wheels > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm *this* close to convincing myself that I > > need > > > a set of track tires and > > > > wheels to reduce the wear on my street tires > for > > > the couple of DE's I do a > > > > year. (down the slope I go...) > > > > <snip> > > > > Kurt > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************* > > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting > our > > > sponsors: > > > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > > > Rogue Engineering > http://www.rogueengineering.com > > > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > > Turner Motorsport > http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > > sponsors: > > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > === message truncated === ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels - from Michael
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 10:49:45 -0400 From: Michael <95m3ltw@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels You are right on both accounts, my example though was a few talented students who were at the a or b level from the beginning. And MILEAGE plays a huge part in how bad a tire chunks. Any tire with less than 2500 miles has a much greater risk of chunking, regardless of driving style vs a tire with 50-75% tread left on it. But bad driving can ruin a tire quickly. Stock brakes on a M3 are pretty amazing. And how many students, instructors and racers do we know that abuse track pads too? Haha. I have tracked, raced etc both of M3s with no ducting, only using super blue and Hawk pads, with no fade. I think every since months we go thru a brake pad issue where people are experiencing fade unless they have Big Reds, ducting etc. And then I love those arguments about big brakes stopping better, lol. Mike >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Dadgar [mailto:mark@pdc-racing.net] >Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 1:45 AM >To: E36M3 >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels > > >Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 22:37:52 -0700 >From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Track Wheels > >Michael at 95m3ltw@comcast.net wrote: >> Few points that I think you are missing. >> >> 1. It will come with experience, having a set of track >wheels is almost >> a requirement after you reach a certain level. I have had beginner >> students who were chunking their pilot sports etc at the 1st or 2nd >> school they were attending. > >In my experience this is almost always (as in, greater than >90% probability) because the student is abusing their tires >because they donšt know any better. > >> Track tires also make sense when you start using track pads, >which are >> needed after a few schools for the typical student, so you >don't ruin >> a set of nice stock rims. > >True, but the other thing I see often is inexperienced >students moving to track pads because they haven't learned >braking technique yet. It's amazing how much better those >nice, cheap stock pads hold up when you learn to manage your brakes. > >- Mark >-- >mark@pdc-racing.net > > > >************************************************* >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue >Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 >Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************