E36M3 #3154

Friday, May 16, 2003 17:26:50

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#1. drooping headliner - from Richard Dahlka
#2. RE: Euro Oil Cooler - long - from Burgess, Kim L
#3. RE: Euro Oil Cooler - long - from Dorffer, Rich
#4. Re: M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska - from m3ltw@msn.com
#5. Re: [E36M3] M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and - from Jim Bassett
#6. Re: Royal Purple Syncromax - from Dorffer, Rich
#7. Re: [E36M3] RE: Euro Oil Cooler - long - from Gerald Low
#8. Re: [E36M3] M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska - from DocWyte
#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska - from Jason Knight

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#1. drooping headliner - from Richard Dahlka
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Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:45:32 -0400 From: "Richard Dahlka" <rickd@swfla.rr.com> Subject: drooping headliner Hi, new to the board but have been lurking for a good while. Went out to = my 95 yesterday to find the headliner had pulled away (along the rear = edge) from beneath the moulding surrounding the sunroof. Seems the = cement just failed. Does this entail sunroof and/or headliner board = removal? If not a DYI, is this a dealer job or does one seek a = restoration shop? Thanks for any input. Regards, =20 Rick Dahlka

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#2. RE: Euro Oil Cooler - long - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:46:08 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Euro Oil Cooler - long Rich - What does the cooler mount to or attach to the car (frame?) with? Where you able to use the original Euro cooler mounting bracket or did you fabricate your own? If the lower panel was to separate from the bottom of the M at speed, since the cooler air duct is mounted to it, will the departing under-tray take the cooler with it? Thanks Kim Burgess Rich originally posted: "The ancillary pieces I purchased were as follows: 17 51 2 243 659 1 holder - plastic bracket with an unthreaded brass insert 17 22 2 227 282 1 euro holder - metal bracket with two holes one is threaded for M6 it looks more Euro than the plastic bracket 17 20 1 712 209 4 plastic snap together brackets with holes in them 17 22 2 227 340 1 bolt - an M6 x 30mm bolt 11 65 2 243 770 1 bolt - an M6 x 20mm bolt 17 22 1 712 349 1 spacer - flared unthreaded bushing To me, these pieces seem useless. I can't tell how they would be used to hold the oil cooler in place at all, at least not on the US car. I can see how I can fabricate my own metal brackets which would insert in the plastic brackets on the under side and hold the oil cooler in place. Has anyone else done this or are there brackets already fabricated out there? Also, where exactly do these two pieces go: 17 21 2 227 344 1 air duct 07 11 9 900 409 3 screw Actually, I wrapped up my installation last weekend. I ended up using the air duct (and three screws). The air duct attaches to the top side of the underpanel near the back with the three screws. It is a tight fit on reinstallation but it works to direct air through the cooler and replaces the stock panel that slips into the underpanel (and is where the oil cooler resides)." Rich responded with a follow up: "The first six part numbers above aren't really necessary in my opinion. The first two holders don't work on the US radiators. The plastic snap together brackets (you only need two and I believe they come two to a pack for the one part number) snap together around the metal portion of the cooler lines and in conjunction with the bolts and spacer and another metal bracket, help secure the cooler lines to the alternator. Again, it doesn't work with the US motor/alternator. I did use the bracket, one bolt and bushing along with some washers/nuts I had in order to secure the cooler lines to each other above the alternator but it surely isn't very effective and I haven't determined what type of bracket I might make to secure it to."

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#3. RE: Euro Oil Cooler - long - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:03:31 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: RE: Euro Oil Cooler - long > Rich - What does the cooler mount to or attach to the car (frame?) > with? I mounted mine directly under the radiator and attached it to the bottom of the radiator. > Where you able to use the original Euro cooler mounting bracket > or did you fabricate your own? I custom fabricated my own brackets. As others stated when I asked before, the US radiator is different from the Euro radiator so the brackets are useless. You have to fabricate your own. I took some pictures of the ones I made but I haven't posted them anywhere yet in order to share them. > If the lower panel was to separate from the bottom of the M at speed, > since the cooler air duct is mounted to it, will the departing > under-tray take the cooler with it? The underpanel and cooler air duct are not attached to the oil cooler. If the underpanel is separated from the car, it shouldn't take the oil cooler with it. Proper beefing up of the underpanel will limit the possibility of removing itself at high speed :-) Later, Rich

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#4. Re: M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska - from m3ltw@msn.com
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Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:02:44 -0700 From: m3ltw@msn.com Subject: Re: M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska > Wrom: DRZFSQHYUCDDJB > > In about a week, a friend of mine and I will be making a cross country trip > in an M3 from San Fran CA, to New Hampshire. We will be taking I-80 through > NV, UT, WY, and NE. For those that drive that road frequently, can you > advise what the common "cruising" speed is out there. I live back in New > England where 55/65 mph is the limit so I'm not used to the faster cruising > speeds out there. I am trying to figure out how many hours it will take to > get across country on our quasi-cannonball run. You should be able to cruise safely at 80-85 with little fear of tickets. If you are looking to actually enjoy your drive, I would strongly suggest an alternative...take US highway 50 from Tahoe/Carson City area east towards Colorado Springs (or Denver...you then take I-70). The scenery is really spectacular (I've driven 80, 70 and 50). Another sidetrip would be to go through Independance Pass (I think this is HW 24?), between Aspen and Colorado Springs. It's kind of like climbing Pike's Peak, but without the dirt road. On highway 50, I think I averaged somewhere between 100-120 for hours at a time. There is no traffic, and you can see (in spots) 70 miles of open road in front of you (who needs a Valentine when you can see all the cars?). > Will a Valentine One be effective out there? Yes, but driving really fast makes anyone stand out, especially on the main roads. Dan Snyder

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#5. Re: [E36M3] M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:13:47 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska At 11:05 AM 5/16/03, AVUSM3@aol.com talked about: >In about a week, a friend of mine and I will be making a cross country trip >in an M3 from San Fran CA, to New Hampshire. We will be taking I-80 through >NV, UT, WY, and NE. I'm only familiar with the CA-NV portion, but cruising in the fast lane can be up to 80mph, depending on traffic density. If there's a lot of traffic travelling at that speed, you should be OK assuming you keep alert - check rearview mirror frequently :-) I'm sure the V1 will be useful in the more open stretches; usually in congested urban areas the traffic is to dense to make radar effective. YMMV, IMO, PDCC, etc :-) Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - no V1, as I don't speed <bfg>

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#6. Re: Royal Purple Syncromax - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:25:16 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Re: Royal Purple Syncromax > I am hearing all of this about how transmission oil can effect the noise coming from a lightened flywheel and don't > understand it. > The oil lubricates the transmission and not the flywheel/clutch assembly. Does the rattling come from the transmission > itself due > to the lower rotational mass of the system? Does it come from some resonance with the heatshield due to a different > harmonic or > vibration? I haven't experienced this but have just installed a LTW flywheel myself so I'm interested in the answer. I > don't see how the two connect. Everyone already mentioned that it is actually the tranny rattling or the gears in the tranny. Also, there is no harm in this. The rattling develops as the crankshaft speeds up and slows down with each firing of a cylinder. Dual mass flywheels are heavier and have more dampening due to their design therefore limiting this rotational inertia process of the crankshaft speeding up and slowing down. Heavier oil will just dampen some of the gears rattling. It doesn't do anything to truly avoid the rattling in the first place like a dual mass flywheel or a sprung centered clutch. Regards, Rich

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#7. Re: [E36M3] RE: Euro Oil Cooler - long - from Gerald Low
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Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:37:25 -0400 From: "Gerald Low" <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Euro Oil Cooler - long Kim, When the underpanel flies off it does not take the oil cooler with it. Tested. Gerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:55 PM Subject: [E36M3] RE: Euro Oil Cooler - long Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:46:08 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Euro Oil Cooler - long Rich - What does the cooler mount to or attach to the car (frame?) with? Where you able to use the original Euro cooler mounting bracket or did you fabricate your own? If the lower panel was to separate from the bottom of the M at speed, since the cooler air duct is mounted to it, will the departing under-tray take the cooler with it? Thanks Kim Burgess

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#8. Re: [E36M3] M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska - from DocWyte
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Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:56:06 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska I've driven across country about 5 times now. I usually take the I70 -> I90 route tho. Anyways, the speed limits out west once you get out of Cali will be 70-75 mph. Everyone will be going 80-85, sometimes even faster. The V1 will work, but many times you won't be around any other cars and you can get nailled with instant on. If you go 80-85 you'll be fine. -josh --- AVUSM3@aol.com wrote: > Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:49:19 EDT > From: AVUSM3@aol.com > Subject: M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, > Wyoming, and Nebraska > > In about a week, a friend of mine and I will be > making a cross country trip > in an M3 from San Fran CA, to New Hampshire. We > will be taking I-80 through > NV, UT, WY, and NE. For those that drive that road > frequently, can you > advise what the common "cruising" speed is out > there. I live back in New > England where 55/65 mph is the limit so I'm not used > to the faster cruising > speeds out there. I am trying to figure out how > many hours it will take to > get across country on our quasi-cannonball run. > > Will a Valentine One be effective out there? > > Thanks, > > John > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 18:14:34 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska Dan writes: > If you are looking to actually enjoy your drive, I would strongly suggest an > alternative...take US highway 50 from Tahoe/Carson City area east towards > Colorado Springs (or Denver...you then take I-70). The scenery is really > spectacular (I've driven 80, 70 and 50). <snip> > > On highway 50, I think I averaged somewhere between 100-120 for hours at a > time. There is no traffic, and you can see (in spots) 70 miles of open > road > in front of you (who needs a Valentine when you can see all the cars?). > AH!!!! US 50!! That brings back memories. US 50 is called the "Loneliest Road in America." I made a trip from Portland, Oregon to Dallas, Texas in 1996. I got to Austin, Nevada at 3:00 am Sunday. I planned to head east on US 50. I wanted to get to Colorado by daylight. However, I had less than 1/8th tank of gas. I rolled through Austin, Nevada looking for gas. I got to the city limit sign and it said "NEXT GAS 150 MILES". Rats! I turn around and find the one and only gas station in Austin, NV to learn it doesn't open until 6:00 am. I sleep in the car for a couple of hours until the station opens. That was the highest priced gas my M3 has ever tasted. Would you belief it was $1.999 seven years ago! So now I am topped off and ready to make up some time. I fly east on US 50 at 130-155+ mph. It is 6:00 am on a Sunday. I guess everybody was in church. I didn't see a car for 100 miles. And like Dan said, you can see 70 miles off the mountain. I had a blast!!!! I was tempted to turn around and do it again. However, I couldn't keep up that kind of speed. :( Why??? Not because of cops. I checked my gas consumption and I was getting about 8 mpg at 120 mph. I did some quick figuring and if that "150 miles to next gas" sign was correct, I would be walking the last 20 miles. Bummer!!! I had to cool my heels and only run 110 mph for the last 75 miles. By all means. Take US 50. It is a very scenic and fast drive. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 BMW CCA #131505

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska - from Jason Knight
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Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:24:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: M3 driving on I-80 in Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska Reading these comments, two things occur to me. First, this absolutely sounds like a blast. I love how stable the M3 feels at high speeds (although I've never seen 130+). Second, it probably goes with saying, but anyone planning on running at these speeds should probably make sure the ol' underbody panel is doubly secured. Didn't take 130 for mine to come loose. Jason > > > > On highway 50, I think I averaged somewhere > between 100-120 for hours at a > > time. There is no traffic, and you can see (in > spots) 70 miles of open > > road > > in front of you And > I fly east on US 50 > at 130-155+ mph. It is 6:00 am on a Sunday. I > guess everybody was in > church. I didn't see a car for 100 miles. And like > Dan said, you can see 70 > miles off the mountain.

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