E36M3 #3161

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:45:56

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. RE: [E36M3] Instrument Cluster lights - from Jamie Howton
#2. Re: Hot tire pressures for Kumho Victoracer V700 - from Vern Anderson
#3. Re[2]: [E36M3] Instrument Cluster lights - from Andrej Dolenc
#4. RE: battery - from fourfa@fourfa.com
#5. Groove of doom is here - from Garrett
#6. RE: [E36M3] Groove of doom is here - from M-Power
#7. Re: [E36M3] battery? - from Wen Liew
#8. RE: Hot tire pressures for Kumho Victoracer V700 - from BOOM,BILL (HP-Roseville,ex1)
#9. Worn Sway links/bushings and wallowing? - from Steve Klein
#10. Re: [E36M3] Groove of doom is here - from Jim Bassett
#11. Re: [E36M3] Hot tire pressures for Kumho Victoracer V700 - from Jim Bassett

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Instrument Cluster lights - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:47:38 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@fotofab.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Instrument Cluster lights Take a look at this thread: http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99432 Good luck. Jamie Howton 2002 330i 5 Spd Steel Blue Metallic SP 1995 M3 5 Spd Arctic Silver 1979 Porsche 928 5 Speed Opalmetallic

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#2. Re:  Hot tire pressures for Kumho Victoracer V700 - from Vern Anderson
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:52:06 -0400 From: "Vern Anderson" <vernon_anderson@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Hot tire pressures for Kumho Victoracer V700 Chester, I just ran the Kung-Foo Victo-racers for the first time this past weekend. All of my R-tire experience was previously with Hoosiers and Yoko's. I did lots of experimenting with them, but they seemed to like about 36-38 hot. Too much above that (40-44) and they seemed to get really greasy. I tried the lower 30's (30-32), but didn't like how they felt. A friend who has lots of track experience with them recommended the mid-upper 30's and his advice seemed to work. Mine seemed to wear very well and even, but I run lots of camber (-3.25 in front and -2.0 in the rear). FWIW, Vern -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:23:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Hot tire pressures for Kumho Victoracer V700 Got back from a weekend at the Glen and had a pretty good time, though my usual gang wasn't there. Was in B run group along with Matt Malfa still getting used to running on R compound tires as this is my second event with them. I have 225/45 on 17x8 IFGs all around. Stock springs, Koni replacement struts/shocks and Eibach sways set at soft/soft (I think). I've been running 32/31psi (f/r) hot but was wondering if that was ideal. I've been rotating the tires (left to right, front to back), but I have noticed that the tread near the middle is a bit lower than the tread on the shoulder...kinda like the groove of doom of the Ecsta V700s. Are the Victoracer V700s prone to this as well? TIA, Chester

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#3. Re[2]: [E36M3] Instrument Cluster lights - from Andrej Dolenc
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:04:06 -0400 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re[2]: [E36M3] Instrument Cluster lights Jamie Howton writes: > Take a look at this thread: > http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99432 > Good luck. Very interesting. This looks like it could apply to my OBC / Temp display, there's a row or two that's dark there (it was replaced once under warranty). If my speedo issues persist, I'll see if that applies. Andrej '97 M3

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#4. RE: battery - from fourfa@fourfa.com
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:27:06 -0400 From: "fourfa@fourfa.com" <fourfa@fourfa.com> Subject: RE: battery >Any recommendations for a battery for our cars? Stock replacement: lots of people get the Interstate MT-91. More powerful, same size, slightly lighter: Optima Red-Top. Slight mods needed to mount it 25 lbs lighter than stock: Odyssey PC925. Works great for me, requires more creativity to mount. andy r. 98m3/2 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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#5. Groove of doom is here - from Garrett
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:51:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Garrett <garrettmcw@yahoo.com> Subject: Groove of doom is here I think I'm sort of fooked. Just got a set of Ecsta V700's (unshaved as recommended for autox by my tire guy) and went out last night to do a parking lot heat cycle. Pressures were 37F/36R cold, heating procedure was a few miles of fast highway travel, then about ten skidpad-style circles in each direction in a parking lot. Got home and pulled them off, and the fronts have severe wear, almost chunking, on the outside edge of the second-to-outermost tread blocks. Dammit, dammit, dammit. How could that have happened so fast? Is the tire guy wrong about shaving? Have I just ruined these things? Dammit!! -Garrett

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#6. RE: [E36M3] Groove of doom is here - from M-Power
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:25:23 -0500 From: "M-Power" <M-Power@austin.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Groove of doom is here Several issues that I know of: 1) Did you get them heat cycled? 2) What are you Camber/Caster and Toe settings? 3) The V700's will chunk if run too aggressively with full tread. They cannot be run aggressively until they reach the tread level of shaved. 4) Your tire pressures look too high. That is close to what I ran when they were hot, 38F/36R! - Jim -----Original Message----- From: Garrett [mailto:garrettmcw@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:56 To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Groove of doom is here Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:51:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Garrett <garrettmcw@yahoo.com> Subject: Groove of doom is here I think I'm sort of fooked. Just got a set of Ecsta V700's (unshaved as recommended for autox by my tire guy) and went out last night to do a parking lot heat cycle. Pressures were 37F/36R cold, heating procedure was a few miles of fast highway travel, then about ten skidpad-style circles in each direction in a parking lot. Got home and pulled them off, and the fronts have severe wear, almost chunking, on the outside edge of the second-to-outermost tread blocks. Dammit, dammit, dammit. How could that have happened so fast? Is the tire guy wrong about shaving? Have I just ruined these things? Dammit!! -Garrett ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#7. Re: [E36M3] battery? - from Wen Liew
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:02:21 -0700 From: "Wen Liew" <wwliew@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] battery? >Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:43:37 -0700 (PDT) >From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> >Subject: battery? > > > >Any recommendations for a battery for our cars? > >Scott > >'98 M3 - dead When my stock battery died after 7 years, I needed one immediately but couldn't find an Interstate battery locally. Fortunately, Sears carries a DieHard International GRp 48 that fits our car. Saved about $40 over stock. Let's see if it last for 5 years (100/140 x 7) Wen _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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#8. RE: Hot tire pressures for Kumho Victoracer V700 - from BOOM,BILL (HP-Roseville,ex1)
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:17:55 -0400 From: "BOOM,BILL (HP-Roseville,ex1)" <bill.boom@hp.com> Subject: RE: Hot tire pressures for Kumho Victoracer V700 > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: Hot tire pressures for Kumho Victoracer V700 > > ... I have 225/45 on 17x8 IFGs all around. Stock springs, Koni > replacement > struts/shocks and Eibach sways set at soft/soft (I think). > I've been running > 32/31psi (f/r) hot but was wondering if that was ideal. I've > been rotating the > tires (left to right, front to back), but I have noticed that > the tread near > the middle is a bit lower than the tread on the > shoulder...kinda like the > groove of doom of the Ecsta V700s. Are the Victoracer V700s > prone to this as > well? I've run the Victos for a couple years and never had a groove issue like I've seen on the Ecstas. I did have wear (cording) issues on the outer edges, but that was a result of insufficient camber, not tire pressure or tire construction issues. Your wear issue could be from too little pressure, but is more likely a camber thing. However, 31-32 hot still sounds a little low. I was usually at least 35-36... any less and I could feel the tire rolling over. Of course, I've never set pressures the right way with a pyrometer so I can't give you a scientific answer. But also from talking to other Victo users, I don't think anyone is running 31-32. Can you still see the little triangles on the corner of the shoulder? If not, you're rolling over and need more pressure. - Bill

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#9. Worn Sway links/bushings and wallowing? - from Steve Klein
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:36:52 -0700 From: Steve Klein <klein@robinsonad.com> Subject: Worn Sway links/bushings and wallowing? Hello, Groupe- Thanks to all for the responses on the spacers issue and various setups. A question on handling response: On quicker turn-ins, the very first response I'm getting from the nose of the car is a slight body roll before it sets into the turn. When I first got it, the nose stayed level and 'just went' when I pointed it. I'm wondering if worn sway bar links and rubber bushings (original) would be a significant contributing factor, or if there was something else I should be looking for. Car: '95 w/ HR OE Sports, Koni SA's in gutted struts, Al control arms (1 yr old) in poly C.A. bushings on Eagle F1's (36/34 f/r) Thanks again for your help, Steve

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Groove of doom is here - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:39:56 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Groove of doom is here At 08:55 AM 5/21/03, Garrett wrote: >I think I'm sort of fooked. Just got a set of Ecsta >V700's (unshaved as recommended for autox by my tire >guy) And ignored those of us that have USED the tire and had problems? Shame on you :-) >and went out last night to do a parking lot heat >cycle. Pressures were 37F/36R cold, Too high, IIRC. >heating procedure >was a few miles of fast highway travel, then about ten >skidpad-style circles in each direction in a parking >lot. Got home and pulled them off, and the fronts >have severe wear, almost chunking, on the outside edge >of the second-to-outermost tread blocks. Dammit, >dammit, dammit. How could that have happened so fast? 'Cause the tires SUCK?!? However, you should check the tires for what compound they are - apparently they've got a new compound, or will soon(?). K6A vs. K8A stamped on the sidewall of the tire. I'm not sure which compound is which, check the archives. > Is the tire guy wrong about shaving? Umm, sounds like it. The wear you're describing sounds like what one would expect from a UNshaved tires that was pushed hard. I'd find a new tire guy, IMO. Jim Bassett

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#11. Re: [E36M3] Hot tire pressures for Kumho Victoracer V700 - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:44:55 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Hot tire pressures for Kumho Victoracer V700 At 07:25 AM 5/21/03, Chester Wong wrote: >I have 225/45 on 17x8 IFGs all around. Stock springs, Koni replacement >struts/shocks and Eibach sways set at soft/soft (I think). I've been running >32/31psi (f/r) hot but was wondering if that was ideal. I've been >rotating the >tires (left to right, front to back), but I have noticed that the tread near >the middle is a bit lower than the tread on the shoulder...kinda like the >groove of doom of the Ecsta V700s. Are the Victoracer V700s prone to this as >well? Not from my experience with one set of Victoracers (which I actually liked). Sounds like you had the pressures too low, the wear you mention also indicated that somewhat. I can't recall what I ran the Victoracers at, but upper-30's hot is what I would think. My 2 cents, Jim Bassett

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