E36M3 #3190

Friday, June 06, 2003 08:43:21

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#1. "Ultimate Driving Machine" Advertisement - from Riley, Scott
#2. NE1 using Vaders w/rollbar & 4-pt harnesses? - from K Quistorff
#3. Re: Race Mark System - from Lew Becker
#4. Odd Emails - from Robert Exconde
#5. Re: [E36M3] Odd Emails - from Jason Knight
#6. Scott Chan - still on list? - from AVUSM3@aol.com
#7. Re: [E36M3] NE1 using Vaders w/rollbar & 4-pt harnesses? - from Chris Salter
#8. Re: [E36M3] Odd Emails - from Jim Bassett
#9. RE: [E36M3] NE1 using Vaders w/rollbar & 4-pt harnesses? - from Newman, Christopher
#10. RE: [E36M3] NE1 using Vaders w/rollbar & 4-pt harnesses? - from Chester Wong

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#1. "Ultimate Driving Machine" Advertisement - from Riley, Scott
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:14:48 -0500 From: "Riley, Scott" <sriley@cardinalcapital.com> Subject: "Ultimate Driving Machine" Advertisement Does anyone know where I can find a reprint of this infamous marketing slogan from the 1980s? I trying to recreate the exact font, layout, etc. and would like to see how it appeared. Don't worry, it is for personal use only since I know the slogan is copyrighted by BMW. TIA, Scott Riley

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#2. NE1 using Vaders w/rollbar & 4-pt harnesses? - from K Quistorff
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:17:10 -0400 From: "K Quistorff" <kqkq@nc.rr.com> Subject: NE1 using Vaders w/rollbar & 4-pt harnesses? Is this set-up safe, or do you have to use aftermarket racing seats to get the harnesses closer to tops of your shoulders? Any problems with harnesses wearing the leather surface of vaders if harnesses are used infrequently (6-8 days/year)? I know aftermarket racing seats would be the best solution when installing a rollbar & harnesses, but my car is predominantly a daily driver, and I like my Vaders & prefer to avoid the cost of new seats. I'm solo/expert level in drivers eds and am getting fast enough to worry more about the risk of a major off without rollover protection, plus I'd like to participate in a couple time trials per year. I would not be doing any wheel-to-wheel racing. Thanks for any "experience-based" feedback. Keith Quistorff 1996 M3 Cary, NC

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#3. Re: Race Mark System - from Lew Becker
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:47:36 -0700 From: "Lew Becker" <lmbeckercfls@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Race Mark System Last summer I personally installed a Dinan SC kit on my 97 M3. The kit was impressively complete, with very detailed installation instructions. I possess some basic mechanical skills (albeit with a steep learning curve), and thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of the installation. The car has run flawlessly since -- from a 2500 miles road trip (a one month after the installation) to daily driving; earlier this week, it passed CA smog without any drama whatsoever. The change (improvement) in the M3 is dramatic. This mod may not be for everyone -- it works for me, but I don't track my car. It is not perfect -- there a discernible loss of power when heat soak sets in; and, the fuel consumption functions on the OBC are way off (although $teve Dinan sells a separate component that reportedly compensates for the bigger injectors). After deciding the car wanted/needed more power last year, I was inclined to go with cams based on prior experiences with a couple of (factory) turbocharged cars and with Eurosport/JC's software and CAI. I had an opportunity to sample both (almost -- Kit Wetzler's supercharged and Alan Tauer's Euro 3.2 M3's -- thanks again guys). Both were attractive, and both were noticeably stronger than my thoroughly sharked M3; the deciding factor for me was not the drive but rather the fact that I could install the SC myself (not because I could save some $$$, but rather because it looked like a good, fun ,challenging project; which it was). I would do it again. Lew Becker (Love the SC, and presently choosing this summer's upgrade) -----Original Message----- Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:35:05 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Race Mark System on 6/4/03 3:42 PM, "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> wrote: > I have yet to hear one forced induction set-up that has worked > great...this only reinforces my goal to maximize my car normally > aspirated. Didn't the erstwhile M3 of our esteemed list Mistress once have a supercharger? And didn't it fail ever to work right? And didn't it get taken off the car? Was it from RMS? Or am I a maroon baboon? (These are not mutually exclusive possibilities...) The only supercharger I'd even consider, if I were considering such things, would be from Dinan. Two reasons: 1) Stevie D is a good engineer and generally knows what he's doing; 2) Dinan sells enough product and charges enough money for it to cover the costs of proper product engineering and development. You know, I muse that the E36 M3 isn't the best candidate for forced induction. It has a high compression ratio, impenetrable (certainly to me, and apparently to all but an elite few tuners) OBD-II system, and the engine is relatively big and heavy. Forced induction seems to me to be much more attractive to give a giant goat-gland transfusion to a smaller, lighter 4 banger engine. Think Subie WRX, or Lancer Evo MCMLXIII (or whatever number they're up to now). Trouble is, the M3 gets purchased by speed-crazed idiots. You know, guys like us. So no sooner have we taken delivery of a car that has more capability than we have driving talent than we start conspiring to bolt on more horsepower. "Oh honey, my stock cams are plumb worn out at only 75K miles, who'da thunk it? Think I'd better order up some new ones from those nice Mormon boys out in Utah." Neil 96 M3, love those cams

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#4. Odd Emails - from Robert Exconde
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:21:58 -0500 From: "Robert Exconde" <99e36m3@exconde.com> Subject: Odd Emails Hey has anyone else been getting strange [E36M3] emails with attachments on them? I'm afraid to open them for fear it is a virus, it takes a minute or two to open the emial up in my preview screen in Outlook 2000 The email is not in a regular format for the E36M3 Digest form. Maybe a virus? Sue? any ideas? Robert

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Odd Emails - from Jason Knight
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:37:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Odd Emails I deleted them automatically, in light of this list not allowing attachements, and that I've never seen a xxxxx.jpg.scr file. Much too suspicious. Perhaps someone knows the two folks these attachments came from so that they can be alerted. Jason --- Robert Exconde <99e36m3@exconde.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:21:58 -0500 > From: "Robert Exconde" <99e36m3@exconde.com> > Subject: Odd Emails > > Hey has anyone else been getting strange [E36M3] > emails with attachments on > them? I'm afraid to open them for fear it is a > virus, it takes a minute or > two to open the emial up in my preview screen in > Outlook 2000 > > The email is not in a regular format for the E36M3 > Digest form. > > Maybe a virus? Sue? any ideas? > > Robert > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#6. Scott Chan - still on list? - from AVUSM3@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:54:54 EDT From: AVUSM3@aol.com Subject: Scott Chan - still on list? Scott - I have seen some of your previous notes on Head Gaskets and coolant leaks and I was wondering if I could contact you regarding that topic. Please let me know off-line. Thanks, JC 1995 M3

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#7. Re: [E36M3] NE1 using Vaders w/rollbar & 4-pt harnesses? - from Chris Salter
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:58:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Salter <errsomeone@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] NE1 using Vaders w/rollbar & 4-pt harnesses? Keith, > Is this set-up safe, or do you have to use > after market racing seats to get > the harnesses closer to tops of your shoulders? Can be used, but read on... > Any problems with harnesses > wearing the leather surface of Vader's if harnesses > are used infrequently > (6-8 days/year)? Not that I have seen... I ran a similar setup for a few years w/o problem. > > I know after market racing seats would be the best > solution when installing a > roll bar & harnesses, but my car is predominantly a > daily driver, and I like > my Vader's & prefer to avoid the cost of new seats. Yes, racing seats would be best, ESPECIALLY if you use your car on the street. Vader's _BREAK_ in a hard rear impact, actually on other not so hard impacts as well. I have posted pics of my Vader's breaking in a street accident before and can be seen at: http://www4.ncsu.edu/~ctsalter/e36_m3_yellow_damage/interior_driver_seat.jpg I have seen others break as well in track related impacts. They are just not strong enough. Now this is a LARGER problem on the street because, if you notice in the photo, the seat would have dropped onto the roll bar, and with the seat belt no longer tensioning you will be tossed around the car a bit. Yes, I was. On the street you are not wearing a helmet and I'll let you figure out the rest. This incident of mine opened up my eyes quite a bit more as to my other M3's setup with safety, since I did use an almost identical setup as you are asking about. Is all this overkill? Possibly, and many people really don't want to hear this. But I decided to not use my track M3 on the street much and keep this setup for awhile. However, now I have decided to build a full race car, largely based upon my desire to be safer. If you don't want to use fixed race seats, and I wouldn't blame you, Sparco/Momo/etc. offer street applications that have got to be better than the stock Vader's. However, I would research those specific seats further before deciding on which to purchase. Feel free to ask any further questions... Good Luck, -Chris Salter E36 ///M3 E36 325i SCCA ITS/BMW JP __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Odd Emails - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 00:55:58 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Odd Emails At 09:22 PM 6/5/03, Robert Exconde wrote: >Hey has anyone else been getting strange [E36M3] emails with attachments on >them? I'm afraid to open them for fear it is a virus, it takes a minute or >two to open the emial up in my preview screen in Outlook 2000 > >The email is not in a regular format for the E36M3 Digest form. > >Maybe a virus? Sue? any ideas? Yep, according to Norton Antivirus, it was a virus. And, FYI, Norton caught it AS it was being downloaded (Eudora email client), so I didn't even have to worry about opening it. Just tell Norton to delete it and all is well. As usual, YMMV. Let's practice safe emailing out there, folks. Jim Bassett - only uses Outlook when forced to by an employer

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#9. RE: [E36M3] NE1 using Vaders w/rollbar & 4-pt harnesses? - from Newman, Christopher
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:24:20 -0400 From: "Newman, Christopher" <CNewman@LSAC.org> Subject: RE: [E36M3] NE1 using Vaders w/rollbar & 4-pt harnesses? Good morning, Just curious how strong the NON-Vader seats are (for example, the seats that came with the Luxury package, the sedans, and the convertibles). Aside from the differences in appearance, are the Vader and NON-Vader seats built the same structurally ? Thanks for any comments. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:58:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris Salter <errsomeone@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] NE1 using Vaders w/rollbar & 4-pt harnesses? > > > Yes, racing seats would be best, ESPECIALLY if you use > your car on the street. Vader's _BREAK_ in a hard rear > impact, actually on other not so hard impacts as well. > I have posted pics of my Vader's breaking in a street > accident before and can be seen at: > > http://www4.ncsu.edu/~ctsalter/e36_m3_yellow_damage/interior_driver_seat.j > pg > > I have seen others break as well in track related > impacts. They are just not strong enough. >

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#10. RE: [E36M3] NE1 using Vaders w/rollbar & 4-pt harnesses? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 06:37:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] NE1 using Vaders w/rollbar & 4-pt harnesses? Would this be a reason why people say harnesses such as a 4 point are okay to use without a rollbar? Chester who has Schroth 4 pt harnesses on the way... > > Yes, racing seats would be best, ESPECIALLY if you use > > your car on the street. Vader's _BREAK_ in a hard rear > > impact, actually on other not so hard impacts as well. > > I have posted pics of my Vader's breaking in a street > > accident before and can be seen at: > > > > http://www4.ncsu.edu/~ctsalter/e36_m3_yellow_damage/interior_driver_seat.j > > pg > > > > I have seen others break as well in track related > > impacts. They are just not strong enough. > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > =====

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