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#1. RE: [E36M3] oil pump nut DRAMA - from M-Power
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:54:02 -0500 From: "M-Power" <M-Power@austin.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] oil pump nut DRAMA It is a known problem that BMW refuses to acknowledge. I personally know 2 other people besides myself and have read about countless others with this problem. It was also a problem on the first E36 M3s that were raced, they all failed due to the oil pump nut coming off. The nut is not secured, it is simply reverse threaded, and that is a DESIGN FLAW that BMW refuses to acknowledge. All E36 and E46 cars, including M3s, have the same flaw. Do not just reattach the oil pump nut. Secure it in some fashion, such as locktite, welding it on or using a punch to deform the threads so it will never come off again! In my case, I was doing a track event which destroyed the engine in my 1999 M3! As long as you were able to shut off the engine quickly and you were not at high revs, the engine should still be ok. Good luck, Jim Hagerman -----Original Message----- From: Chris Conner [mailto:chris@digital7.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 16:31 To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] oil pump nut DRAMA Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:26:40 -0400 From: "Chris Conner" <chris@digital7.com> Subject: oil pump nut DRAMA Low oil pressure light came on in my 99 m3. Cut engine, had it towed to Princeton BMW on Tuesday, May 27. TWO WEEKS later, after much bitching on my part, they finally LOOK at the car. It is the oil pump nut. Good, I said, an easy fix. They told me that the oil pump nut backing off is not covered under my Certified Pre-Owned warranty. Wow! Okay, how much is the repair? $800 and change to tighten the oil pump nut. I said no thanks; I will tow it home and do it myself. They are now telling me I owe them a $400 diagnostic fee. I did not authorize any repairs that were not under warranty, nor was I informed of the possibility that this would not be covered under warranty. I spoke to BMW NA, who called the dealer to mediate. The dealer will not budge on the diagnostic fee, even considering the fact that my car has been sitting on their lot for 2 weeks. Recommendations? My only angles now are whether or not CPO covers this happening and the fact that I did not authorize any possible charges. I have another dealer verifying warranty coverage of the nut. Is there a TSB for this problem? Is it widely known, or does it only happen to e36m3 list members?! Thanks in advance. Chris ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#2. Re: [E36M3] oil pump nut DRAMA - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:59:13 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] oil pump nut DRAMA At 02:31 PM 6/10/03, Chris Conner wrote: >I have another dealer verifying warranty coverage of the nut. I'm not aware of anyone getting it covered, but then I've mainly heard it happeneing on race-prepped cars (no warranty). But check Bimmerforums.com, there was a long discussion about this many months back, and you might find someone who got it covered. >Is there a TSB for this problem? Not that I'm aware of. >Is it widely known, or does it only >happen to e36m3 list members?! I don't know how widely known the problem is, but it doesn't happen only to E36 M3s. It happened to my race car (E36 325) and an E46 330 race car as well. My 2 cents, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - oil pump nut preventatively tightened 1993 325is #44 JP/A5 - oil pump nut tightening cost me $7200 and a race weekend :-(
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#3. RE: BMW CCA Drivers' Schools - from Gardner, Russell - BALTO
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:36:09 -0400 From: "Gardner, Russell - BALTO" <russell.gardner@piperrudnick.com> Subject: RE: BMW CCA Drivers' Schools Attention all Chief Instructors and Chapter Presidents! Did you know that the liability insurance provided by BMW CCA to its chapters for use in drivers' schools excludes claims made by drivers (or their estates) who are/were not members of the sponsoring chapter? I learned this today in a conversation with a representative of the National Office of the BMW CCA. In the view of National, this means that only members of the sponsoring chapter are permitted to participate in a drivers' school, either as a student or an instructor. I was further told that a chapter which permit non-members to participate in its activities is exposed to forfeiture of the chapter's non-profit tax status. Russ Gardner NCC (and others!) ____________________________________________________________________________ The information contained in this communication may be confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. Thank you. For more information please visit us at http://www.piperrudnick.com ____________________________________________________________________________
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#4. Getting ready for the July 12-13 Road Atlanta Driver's school - from Hunt Hodgetts
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:12:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Hunt Hodgetts <hhodgetts@yahoo.com> Subject: Getting ready for the July 12-13 Road Atlanta Driver's school I've really been looking forward to the July 12-13 driver's school at Road Atlanta. The problem is I just sold my last M3. I have been to several auctions and lately some dealer in West Palm Beach has been paying insane prices for all the M3's that come up for auction. So today I settled for... a 2002 WRX with 4k miles. It's going to be really interesting seeing how it performs at Road Atlanta compared to a bunch of M3's. I'll also have my flame suit on and be prepared for a bunch of ribbing from the M3 owners. Of course, any of you who know me know that I rarely own a car for long so there will definitely be more M3's in my future. Lately it seems that the way prices are going for the E36 M3's I'll be able to get an E46 M3 for only a little more. Hunt Hodgetts, Atlanta M3-less and going through withdrawls __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
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#5. Re: [E36M3] oil pump nut DRAMA - from DocWyte
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:15:09 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] oil pump nut DRAMA I can't believe this isn't covered under the CPO warranty. What did BMW NA say when you told them the dealer told you this? Your dealer sounds like a real tool, maybe try and take it to another one? Both times I've dumped my car on the dealer without an appointment not only had they looked at it the very next morning, but they'd fixed it by that afternoon! -josh --- Chris Conner <chris@digital7.com> wrote: > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:26:40 -0400 > From: "Chris Conner" <chris@digital7.com> > Subject: oil pump nut DRAMA > > > Low oil pressure light came on in my 99 m3. Cut > engine, had it towed to > Princeton BMW on Tuesday, May 27. TWO WEEKS later, > after much bitching > on my part, they finally LOOK at the car. It is the > oil pump nut. Good, > I said, an easy fix. They told me that the oil pump > nut backing off is > not covered under my Certified Pre-Owned warranty. > Wow! Okay, how much > is the repair? $800 and change to tighten the oil > pump nut. I said no > thanks; I will tow it home and do it myself. They > are now telling me I > owe them a $400 diagnostic fee. I did not authorize > any repairs that > were not under warranty, nor was I informed of the > possibility that this > would not be covered under warranty. I spoke to BMW > NA, who called the > dealer to mediate. The dealer will not budge on the > diagnostic fee, even > considering the fact that my car has been sitting on > their lot for 2 > weeks. Recommendations? My only angles now are > whether or not CPO covers > this happening and the fact that I did not authorize > any possible > charges. I have another dealer verifying warranty > coverage of the nut. > Is there a TSB for this problem? Is it widely known, > or does it only > happen to e36m3 list members?! Thanks in advance. > > Chris > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
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#6. RE: [E36M3] oil pump nut DRAMA - from Chris Conner
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:55:44 -0400 From: "Chris Conner" <chris@digital7.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] oil pump nut DRAMA >At 02:31 PM 6/10/03, Chris Conner wrote: >>I have another dealer verifying warranty coverage of the nut. > >I'm not aware of anyone getting it covered, but then I've mainly heard it >happeneing on race-prepped cars (no warranty). But check Bimmerforums.com, >there was a long discussion about this many months back, and you might find >someone who got it covered. ACK! I wish I knew this beforehand. I was 95% sure it was the oil pump nut, based on recent board discussion. If I knew they wouldn't cover it, I would've done the job myself 2 weeks ago. Oh well - everyone else pay attention to this, or follow the list's advice to secure your oil pump nut before it backs off. > >My 2 cents, >Jim Bassett >1998 M3/4 - oil pump nut preventatively tightened >1993 325is #44 JP/A5 - oil pump nut tightening cost me $7200 and a race >weekend :-( ACK again! Not a fun thing to experience. Guess I should quit whining about my paltry $800 now ;) I've spoken to my lawyer about the best way to deal with this. I will advise the list after my situation is resolved. I'll update when I get the car back. Chris
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#7. JimC and M3 rev limiters, fuel cutoffs etc. - from Msebmwman@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:22:59 EDT From: Msebmwman@aol.com Subject: JimC and M3 rev limiters, fuel cutoffs etc. All; Dredged up some old e-mails from the man himself, JimC. I don't know any more than what I read below too. Regards, Marc 95M3 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:13:47 -0600 From: Land Shark <lndshrk@xmission.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Sharked rev limiter At 05:17 PM 9/13/99 -0400, Kenneth J Hawley wrote: >This is still a little confusing. What you mean is that the rev limit >changes with speed. When you say they "pick the road speed", what you mean >is that they pick the speed where the rev limit changes to the lower value. > Correct? Here, for all your edification is THE rev limit map from a 1998 M3 Specifically the 1407136 software variant from "recall" 98E-A01 Engine RPM Limit FCO = f( Vehicle Speed (km/h) ) 10 40 90 110 120 6720 6720 6720 6720 6496 So, as you see, between 110 and 120 km/h the rev limiter drops from 6700ish to 6500ish in the stock vehicle.. Now, note that 110 is a bit over max revs in 2nd, and 120 is well under 6500 in 3rd.. Do you see how this works now?? The "speed" signal, called the "A" signal is fed from the instrument cluster up to the DME, so the DME knows exactly how fast the car goes. Jim Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:18:14 -0600 From: Land Shark <lndshrk@xmission.com> Subject: [E36M3] Re: Sharked rev. limit At 05:22 PM 9/13/99 -0400, JimShadow@aol.com wrote: >Is the 7008 rev. limit true when used with the software for the European >HFM??? It seems that I had heard that it was raised to 7200. >Also, is it even safe to run this motor up to 7200 if it is raised?? >TIA. OK... NONE of my "standard" E36 M3 (OBD-1 or 2) performance programs have any other rev limit than 7000.. Precisely 7000 in 1995 M3's (with a fuel cut at 7040) Precisely 7008 in 96+ M3's (with a fuel cut at 7040) I say PRECISELY, because it is a number being checked HUNDREDS of times per second! Now, I've DONE chips with higher rev limits, but they are not the "standard" chip.. they are special chips for racers/etc Jim From: Jim Conforti <lndshrk@xmission.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Rev limits on E36 M3 variable how? Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:47:15 -0500 Marc S. Edwards wrote: > > Suzy; > > The rev limit is different depending on which gear you are in. Actually.. gear is just INFERRED.. the actual determinant is the vehicle speed from the diff sensor.. On the 95 M3.. it works like this.. below about 63 mph, the rev limit is set to 6840 rpms.. above that it slowly decreases to 6520 by about 80mph road speed.. which is below the speed the car is doing at 6500 in 3rd.. They advertise it as gear.. but it's speed.. Which explains why you get an absurdly low rev limit should you disconnect the speedo sensor.. ........on the M3 .. there are TWO governors... One cuts fuel at 137mph ..=20 That's the one EVERYONE finds .. The other reduces power at 139mph .. >How fast does the car go without it? Gear limited .. 155mph .. would go faster with a higher rear end ratio Jim C. From: Land Shark <lndshrk@xmission.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:36:10 -0700 Subject: RE: chips & valve springs >- - What is the redline cutoff on a Jim C. chip for a 95 E36 M3?? I rev'd upto >and beyond 7200+ and did not feel the soft cutoff.....Where is it?? Your tach is WAY inaccurate.. the cutoff is set to 7000... There is NO soft cutoff.. the fuel cuts 1/2 the cyls at 7040, and the other half (all of em) at 7080 per BMW norm.. BTW, I answered this question directly to you about a week ago! Jim C.
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#8. Rear diff questions: seepage and 25% vs. 40% lockup - from Msebmwman@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:27:43 EDT From: Msebmwman@aol.com Subject: Rear diff questions: seepage and 25% vs. 40% lockup So, in checking my rear diff the other day while switching from track wheels/tires to the street set I noticed some oil on the right side of my diff below the right half-shaft. So I wipe it all off and come back a day later. Wet oil is back and I figure I'm losing about 1 drop per day. It is not coming from on top of the differential. How bad is this? What is leaking? How long could I go before I really need to worry about fixing this? Also; What are the theoretical advantages of going from a 25% lock-up on my 95M3 LSD to a 40% lock-up on daily street driving, on autox, and on track driving? Thanks, Marc 95M3....with rear diff seapage....
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#9. Re: Manual backrest release fix needed - from John Hovell
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:36:08 -0700 From: John Hovell <jhovell@stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Manual backrest release fix needed Yeah, I've fixed this at least twice. The problem is there is a bowden cable inside the seat that is prone to stress, and normally breaks at the end underneath the seat. Solution is to replace the cable, orderable by the dealer. I'd look up the part # but I don't have my ETK CD on me. This is the web site I used for seat disassembly instructions: http://www.arches.uga.edu/~chipm/seatfix.htm Thing is, the cable I got had a different fastener than the broken one I took out of the car (4/94 build date) at the end that attaches to the levers in the seat back. So, I had to improvise a way to attach it. It has since fallen apart twice more :(. My old cable had a fastener with 2 90 degree bends. The new one is a much shorter straight rod. If anyone knows of the part # for the cable with the fastener with 2 bends, I'd love to know. My jerry-rig clearly isn't working :). - John At 02:50 PM 6/10/2003, you wrote: >-------------------- 10 -------------------- >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:24:58 -0500 >From: "Alan Leung" <alanleung100@hotmail.com> >Subject: Manual backrest release fix needed > >The passenger side backrest release (the one that moves the backrest >forward temporarily for rear passengers to get in and out) in my 95 M3 >quits working today. Both the inner and outer levers still move together >but they aren't catching the internal mechanism that releases the >backrest. Bentley isn't much help. I've done a search and found nothing >useful. Has any fellow M3 owner fixed this problem before? Your >instructions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > >Alan L. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ John Hovell Tel: (650) 497-2488 PO Box 17968 Fax: (520) 447-1965 Stanford CA, 94309 Cel: (203) 223-8654 PGP Key: http://www.stanford.edu/~jhovell/pgp -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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#10. Strange coolant guage behavior - from DocWyte
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:48:50 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Strange coolant guage behavior Guys, Drove up to a class last night, everything was fine on the '95 M3. Came out several hours later and fired up the car. Started to drive home (50 miles or so) and I noticed that the coolant guage was reading low. It never came up to the standard 12 o clock position until I turned into my neighborhood. It was at the hash mark below it for most of the time. Same thing today in driving to work. Very odd. Is this just a wacky gauge thing, or a thermostat that's sticking? -josh ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com