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#1. Re: [E36M3] LIST STICKERS - from Sue Kraft
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:21:53 -0500 From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] LIST STICKERS Scott, you're in luck. I still have a couple of stickers left. Just email me your address and I will send you another one, free of charge. I'll cover the one that got sucked out the window under warranty :) Suzy Scott King wrote: > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:51:56 -0400 From: "Scott King" Subject: LIST > STICKERS > > Does anyone have an extra list sticker laying around that they would > like to part with? I lost one this weekend...wife decided to open the > rear vent windows (about the 3rd time they have ever been open) and > the sticker was unfortunately sucked out. > > Are there any still available Suzy? > > Thanks. > > Scott King >
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits - from James Clay
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:36:39 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits So now I have to back it up with fact, tough crowd. The early tank is 62L on the ETK, 16.12 Gal. The newer tank is 65L/16.99Gal. I am not sure what the filler neck capacity is. But, in a car with the older tank, I don't think I have ever been able to put more than about 13.5Gal in and I love to play the "squeeze out the last drop" of fuel game on OBC cars (I routinely put 17 in my car now that I have figured out that it doesn't run out when the needle drops below the orange, even when I duct down for the most optimistic view, no OBC). The easy test is pull the rear seat and passenger side pump cover - if it is blue you have the newer tank - should take about 5 min with a Phillips head screwdriver. James James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648 ----- Original Message ----- From: LoweSeaton@aol.com To: james@bimmerworld.com ; e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits james@bimmerworld.com writes: If you are looking at a kit, most M3 cars need the 2 pump kit. The updated tank (holds 16+ gal when you fill it versus 13 for the old tank) does not pull as well as the old tank. I have a 9/95 production M3. I don't know which tank I have but I know it holds way more than 13 gallons. I have personally pumped 17.1 gallons into it. I also know I don't have any fuel starvation problems. I've run it down several times at autocrosses and DE's until the low-fuel light comes on in the dash and not had fuel starvation problems. I am amazed at guys that report problems with even 1/2 tanks of fuel. So I figure I must have one of the "good" old style tanks. James - is that a typo? The old '95 M3 tank must hold more than 13 gallons. I can't imagine BMW even thinking of putting such a small tank on an M3. Your range would be less than 250 miles at any decent highway speed. On the autobahn, you would not even make 150 miles. Surely BMW put a bigger tank than 13 gallons on the M3? Lowell Seaton '95 M3 Dallas, Texas
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:50:51 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits James, I'll have to pull up my rear seat and see what tank I have in my 9/95 M3. However, your conversion factors are off. 1 liter = 1000 cm^3. 1 cm = 2.54 inch. 1 US Gallon = 231 in^3. [Don't ask me how I remember 1 gallon = 231 cubic inch] Therefore: 1 liter = 1000 / 2.54^3 = 61.0237 in^3 62 liter = 62 x 61.0237 / 231 = 16.38 US gallons 65 liter = 65 x 61.0237 / 231 = 17.17 US gallons Your conversions lost about 0.2 gallon somehow. So it is quite believable that you routinely put 17 gallons in your M3. I am afraid you would freak out if you rode with me. I like to see "how low can you go" with my OBC. Does your OBC have the range feature? It estimates remaining miles until you run out of gas. When you get down to 9 miles remaining, it starts flashing dashes and stops counting down. I've run another 20 miles after the 9 mile warning and never run out of gas. Someday I will have to run the car completely out of gas and then push it to a gas station and fill it up to see what the ultimate capacity of the tank is. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 ----------------------------------------------- james@bimmerworld.com writes: > So now I have to back it up with fact, tough crowd. The early tank is 62L > on the ETK, 16.12 Gal. The newer tank is 65L/16.99Gal. I am not sure what > the filler neck capacity is. But, in a car with the older tank, I don't think > I have ever been able to put more than about 13.5Gal in and I love to play > the "squeeze out the last drop" of fuel game on OBC cars (I routinely put 17 > in my car now that I have figured out that it doesn't run out when the needle > drops below the orange, even when I duct down for the most optimistic view, > no OBC). The easy test is pull the rear seat and passenger side pump cover - > if it is blue you have the newer tank - should take about 5 min with a > Phillips head screwdriver. > > James >
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:06:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits You are a brave man! I get a little antsy, but have you ever stood outside the car when it's real low on gas? You can hear the fuel pump churning away. The first time I heard it, I was like, "what the??!?!" You just better not hit an incline when you're low on gas... Chester --- LoweSeaton@aol.com wrote: > I am afraid you would freak out if you rode with me. I like to see "how low > can you go" with my OBC. Does your OBC have the range feature? It estimates > > remaining miles until you run out of gas. When you get down to 9 miles > remaining, it starts flashing dashes and stops counting down. I've run > another 20 > miles after the 9 mile warning and never run out of gas. Someday I will have > > to run the car completely out of gas and then push it to a gas station and > fill > it up to see what the ultimate capacity of the tank is. =====
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits - from Tom Melton
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:39:35 -0400 From: "Tom Melton" <tom_melton@emoryhealthcare.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits Brave is a kind word! Please remember, the gasoline actually cools the fuel pump, and an overheating pump is not a happy pump! (OK, I have not opened my tank, but in most cars I have seen the pump is not at the bottom of the tank, but up some). Anyway, is it really worth those last miles to go so low? Tom Melton 95 M3 82 Vette 86 Vette >>> Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> 06/18/03 12:10PM >>> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:06:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits You are a brave man! I get a little antsy, but have you ever stood outside the car when it's real low on gas? You can hear the fuel pump churning away. The first time I heard it, I was like, "what the??!?!" You just better not hit an incline when you're low on gas... Chester --- LoweSeaton@aol.com wrote: > I am afraid you would freak out if you rode with me. I like to see "how low > can you go" with my OBC. Does your OBC have the range feature? It estimates > > remaining miles until you run out of gas. When you get down to 9 miles > remaining, it starts flashing dashes and stops counting down. I've run > another 20 > miles after the 9 mile warning and never run out of gas. Someday I will have > > to run the car completely out of gas and then push it to a gas station and > fill > it up to see what the ultimate capacity of the tank is. ===== ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Oil pump nut HOWTO - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:28:23 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil pump nut HOWTO At 11:30 PM 6/17/03, Chris Conner wrote: >I just finished this write-up. It's 2:15am, but I don't think I missed >any glaringly large parts of the job. A sanity check from someone who's >done the job would be appreciated. > >http://m3.digital7.com/oilpumpnut.htm Looks pretty good - nice job Chris! One note: the 3 trans bolts require a female torx socket, rather than the 8mm you mentioned. I forget which size. I was (mildly) shocked at what your dealer wanted to charge. What's their labor rate? I just spoke to my mechanic, and he said you should figure about 5 hours from start to finish. At SF Bay Area labor rates, that's $450-$500. <soapbox> <broken record> For non-warranty work (I know you tried to get it warrantied, not directed at you) find a good independent BMW mechanic. In many cases, they are as well-trained as dealer mechanics (maybe better?) but are usually less expensive than the dealer. Support your local independent BMW mechanic!! </broken record> </soapbox> Again, nice job Chris! Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - locked & punched 1993 325is #44 JP/A5 - ditto
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#7. Re: Oil Pump Nut HOWTO - from Chris Conner
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:29:35 -0400 From: "Chris Conner" <chris@digital7.com> Subject: Re: Oil Pump Nut HOWTO Thanks. I also read that you should use 272 hi-temp loctite, but I couldn't find it at Pepboys. I asked Chuck Stickley, and he didn't seem too concerned with me using normal Red Loctite. I am confident that the loctite, combined with safety-wiring or thread punching will hold the nut on ;) Feel free to share with the world. I hope we can prevent other people's nuts from backing off ;) Chris > >Nice write-up Chris. I was told to use hi-temp red Loctite. IIRC, it's #272. > >May we share with others? > >Thanks - Jay (happily Loctited and center punched)
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Side mirrors.... - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:33:27 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Side mirrors.... At 04:40 AM 6/18/03, DocWyte wrote: >Just noticed today that my side mirrors don't move >anymore. Not a single sound from either motor on >either side. > >I haven't checked the fuse yet, but anything else I >should be looking at? Pop out the mirror control and check the connection? It's Fuse #24, BTW. And, I know this sounds stupid, but you had the key in either "run" or "start" position, right? Unlike the power seats, the mirrors are NOT "hot" all the time. If you know someone with an E36, swap control switches to see if it's a bad switch. Any E36, M or non-M will do. Hope that helps, Jim Bassett
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:44:39 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits At 08:30 AM 6/18/03, James Clay wrote: >So now I have to back it up with fact, tough crowd. The early tank is 62L >on the ETK, 16.12 Gal. The newer tank is 65L/16.99Gal. I am not sure what >the filler neck capacity is. But, in a car with the older tank, I don't >think I have ever been able to put more than about 13.5Gal in Sorry James, but this complete BS (or you've got your figures wrong). I know several '95 M3 owners who have put more than 13.5 gals into their tank. I've personally witnessed it. Plus, according to the ETK, my '93 325is has the same tank as a '95 M3 (62L). I've *regularly* put more than 13.5 gals at a time into it. Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP/A5
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits - from James Clay
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:57:54 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits I don't remember the conversion stuff, I plugged it into something I found quickly on the web. Every bit of detail I picked up in school is gone. I don't have the full OBC on my car and I generally think using the range feature for the gas game is bush league. The proper use of the full function OBC is to input your trip mileage and then watch as the ETA drops 4 minutes at a time throughout the trip due to cruising speed. ;-) James James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648 ----- Original Message ----- From: LoweSeaton@aol.com To: james@bimmerworld.com ; e36m3@bmw-m.net Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Fuel Starvation Kits James, I'll have to pull up my rear seat and see what tank I have in my 9/95 M3. However, your conversion factors are off. 1 liter = 1000 cm^3. 1 cm = 2.54 inch. 1 US Gallon = 231 in^3. [Don't ask me how I remember 1 gallon = 231 cubic inch] Therefore: 1 liter = 1000 / 2.54^3 = 61.0237 in^3 62 liter = 62 x 61.0237 / 231 = 16.38 US gallons 65 liter = 65 x 61.0237 / 231 = 17.17 US gallons Your conversions lost about 0.2 gallon somehow. So it is quite believable that you routinely put 17 gallons in your M3. I am afraid you would freak out if you rode with me. I like to see "how low can you go" with my OBC. Does your OBC have the range feature? It estimates remaining miles until you run out of gas. When you get down to 9 miles remaining, it starts flashing dashes and stops counting down. I've run another 20 miles after the 9 mile warning and never run out of gas. Someday I will have to run the car completely out of gas and then push it to a gas station and fill it up to see what the ultimate capacity of the tank is. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 ----------------------------------------------- james@bimmerworld.com writes: So now I have to back it up with fact, tough crowd. The early tank is 62L on the ETK, 16.12 Gal. The newer tank is 65L/16.99Gal. I am not sure what the filler neck capacity is. But, in a car with the older tank, I don't think I have ever been able to put more than about 13.5Gal in and I love to play the "squeeze out the last drop" of fuel game on OBC cars (I routinely put 17 in my car now that I have figured out that it doesn't run out when the needle drops below the orange, even when I duct down for the most optimistic view, no OBC). The easy test is pull the rear seat and passenger side pump cover - if it is blue you have the newer tank - should take about 5 min with a Phillips head screwdriver. James
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#11. Re: [E36M3] Side mirrors.... - from DocWyte
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:57:30 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Side mirrors.... Yup, had the car running. Haven't had time to check the switch or the fuse, but it's gotta be one or the other. They did work about 6 months ago... -josh --- Jim Bassett <jimbassett@attbi.com> wrote: > At 04:40 AM 6/18/03, DocWyte wrote: > >Just noticed today that my side mirrors don't move > >anymore. Not a single sound from either motor on > >either side. > > > >I haven't checked the fuse yet, but anything else I > >should be looking at? > > Pop out the mirror control and check the connection? > > It's Fuse #24, BTW. > > And, I know this sounds stupid, but you had the key > in either "run" or > "start" position, right? Unlike the power seats, the > mirrors are NOT "hot" > all the time. > > If you know someone with an E36, swap control > switches to see if it's a bad > switch. Any E36, M or non-M will do. > > Hope that helps, > Jim Bassett > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com