E36M3 #3347

Thursday, August 28, 2003 14:00:56

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Anyone going to Lime Rock Vintage Festival this weekend? - from JUSTIN GERRY
#2. Re: [E36M3] Jackstand placement advice - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
#3. Re: [E36M3] E36 trailer tie down? - from Mark Dadgar
#4. wheel spacers - from driver8 ///M3
#5. E36 trailer tie down? - from Rob Verenna
#6. Re: [E36M3] E36 trailer tie down? - from Mark Dadgar
#7. Touch Up Paint - from Steve Klein
#8. Re: E36 trailer tie down? - from John Hovell
#9. Re: [E36M3] E36 trailer tie down? - from Cheng, Margaret
#10. Re: [E36M3] E36 trailer tie down? - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
#11. RE: [E36M3] Jackstand placement advice - from Murray Roblin

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#1. Anyone going to Lime Rock Vintage Festival this weekend? - from JUSTIN GERRY
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:49:42 -0400 From: "JUSTIN GERRY" <JGERRY@butchers.com> Subject: Anyone going to Lime Rock Vintage Festival this weekend? Anyone have the "special" BMW CCA Saturday tickets? Just trying to figure out what extras I get with that. -Justin

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Jackstand placement advice - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:58:51 -0500 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Jackstand placement advice Chris Papademetrious <chrispy@ieee.org> wrote:e > > At 07:20 AM 8/28/2003 -0500, K.C. Boyce wrote: > >Up front, it looks like there are rubber pucks near the OE jack holes, > >so that's no problem. In the rear, there are oval slots near the OE > >jack holes -- are there supposed to be rubber pucks there as well? > > Yep, there should be pucks there as well. They fell out. Put some new > ones there and you're set. > then put jackstands under both rear pucks. Very quick and easy! Chris, KC, Please don't put the jackstands under the slippery plastic pucks! That is unless you have one of the modified jack stands with a dish-type saddle. Most jack stands come with a U-shaped saddle that can not mate safely with a puck! I ended up taking the pucks out altogether and positioning one of the U-shaped saddle's ears into the hole. Not perfect, but definitely safer than balancing 3200#s over your head on a piece of plastic. YMMV, alex f

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#3. Re: [E36M3] E36 trailer tie down? - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:13:34 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 trailer tie down? Jason Knight at knight2244@yahoo.com wrote: > That said, this method allows the suspension to load > and unload and is definitely not the safest route. > Unfortunately it's the "safest" method I can think of > besides getting a set of t-hooks. You can also use the control arms on the front (assuming that you have not intalled the E30 aluminum arms) and the subframe in back. Not optimal, but doable. - Mark -- mark@pdc-racing.net

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#4. wheel spacers - from driver8 ///M3
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:56:50 -0700 (PDT) From: driver8 ///M3 <driver8m3@yahoo.com> Subject: wheel spacers i have 5mm spacers on the front. I got them from tirerack when i switched to 8.5" wheel. these spacers work fine, and are pretty cheap compared to some of the others. you will need longer lugs. and keep in mind that you do NOT want to mix up the lugs when you work on your car (or have anyone else work on it). Some knuckleheads at one of those discount tire chains mixed up the lugs and put a few of the longer ones on the rear (where i do not have spacers) and caused me quite a hassle (though no real damage). russell > -------------------- 1 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:33:59 -0400 > From: "Greg Gantt" <ggantt@gantt-consulting.com> > Subject: Wheel Spacers? > > I'm looking into using 5mm spacers up front so I can use shim washers to > gain a bit more negative camber and have a few questions. If I add one > (more) washer I get the desired camber (~2.25), but I have interference > between the tire (245/40-17 S03 on 8.5" forged wheel) and spring perch > on my > GC track/school kit that I'm hoping the spacer will fix. > > Are all wheel spacers created equal or is there a particular product > best > suited for the M3? Will using 5mm spacers require longer wheel bolts or > do > the stock bolts have enough reach? If longer bolts are needed, where > can I > get something that matches the stock appearance? Thanks. > > > Greg > '95 M3 ===== "democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."-ben franklin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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#5. E36 trailer tie down? - from Rob Verenna
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:59:18 -0400 From: Rob Verenna <rob@willraceforbeer.com> Subject: E36 trailer tie down? Juan said: > I cracked a coolant hose going from the back of my motor to the > heater core at the track today. Thus I have to trailer the car > home from Thunderhilll tomorrow. I don't have a set of the factory > E36 trailering hoooks that attach in the jack pad locations. What > is the next best way to tie the car down to the trailer? I would have to second the recommendation for tieing down via the wheels if you can't find a set of t-hooks. Whatever you do, *** DO NOT *** tie down via the rear trailing arms with axle straps. If you do, this is what will happen: http://www.willraceforbeer.com/images/oops.jpg Here is a comparison pic: http://www.willraceforbeer.com/images/goodandbad.jpg Lesson learned, I bought t-hooks. However, the front arms held up fine to using axle straps, if you absolutely have to. But the rears won't, they are cheap stamped metal. Maybe a local racer/BMW race shop has a set of t-hooks you can borrow for the day. (Mark? Jim? You out there?) - rob

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#6. Re: [E36M3] E36 trailer tie down? - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:22:45 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 trailer tie down? Rob Verenna at rob@willraceforbeer.com wrote: > Maybe a local racer/BMW race shop has a set of t-hooks you can borrow for the > day. (Mark? Jim? You out there?) He's welcome to mine, except that I need to move my car around today and tomorrow as well. :( - Mark -- mark@pdc-racing.net

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#7. Touch Up Paint - from Steve Klein
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:55:09 -0700 From: Steve Klein <klein@robinsonad.com> Subject: Touch Up Paint Howdy all- Does anyone have the paint code handy for a '95 Cosmos Schwartz and possibly a good source for some touch up paint? Thanks, Steve

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#8. Re: E36 trailer tie down? - from John Hovell
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:17:41 -0700 (PDT) From: John Hovell <jhovell@stanford.edu> Subject: Re: E36 trailer tie down? Juan -- Sorry to hear about your bad luck! You are talking about the rubber hose that goes from the rear of the engine block to the heater core? This part is fairly easily replacable, and I believe is a stocked part. I think I even have one or two extra left over from when I did my Euro engine conversion (same as Euro part). I suppose you've already had your car towed back, though. If I had been at T-Hill yesterday (and I was signed up to go) I might have even had that hose with me :). Doh! How was the Nurburgring? We're all waiting to hear. Give me a call if you want any help getting your car back in shape. As an aside to all older E36 M3 owners (older cars, not owners)... our cars are getting up there in age! There are 3 hoses that attach to the heater core, and when I did my engine replacement on my '95 8 months ago, these hoses all looked very sad. If you track or drive your car hard or care about its dependability, they are cheap parts -- replace all 3! Should probably be part of the "creeper tour" I have heard mentioned on this list. Best, John On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, E36M3 wrote: > -------------------- 4 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:39:42 -0700 > From: "Juan Bruce" <jbrucebmw@hotmail.com> > Subject: E36 trailer tie down? > > Hi everyone, > > I cracked a coolant hose going from the back of my motor to the heater core > at the track today. Thus I have to trailer the car home from Thunderhilll > tomorrow. I don't have a set of the factory E36 trailering hoooks that > attach in the jack pad locations. What is the next best way to tie the car > down to the trailer? > > Thanks, > > Juan Bruce >

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#9. Re: [E36M3] E36 trailer tie down? - from Cheng, Margaret
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:10:37 -0700 From: "Cheng, Margaret" <Margaret.Cheng@kp.org> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 trailer tie down? I had heard that the BMW control arms (even the ones that aren't aluminum) are fairly bendable and if you use the control arms as a tie down point, you may find that the alignment is affected later. It seems that T-hooks would be best. Margaret Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> 08/28/2003 09:20 Please respond to Mark Dadgar To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> cc: Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 trailer tie down? Jason Knight at knight2244@yahoo.com wrote: > That said, this method allows the suspension to load > and unload and is definitely not the safest route. > Unfortunately it's the "safest" method I can think of > besides getting a set of t-hooks. You can also use the control arms on the front (assuming that you have not intalled the E30 aluminum arms) and the subframe in back. Not optimal, but doable.

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#10. Re: [E36M3] E36 trailer tie down? - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:59:18 -0500 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 trailer tie down? "Cheng, Margaret" <Margaret.Cheng@kp.org> wrote: > > I had heard that the BMW control arms (even the ones > that aren't aluminum) are fairly bendable and if you > use the control arms as a tie down point, you may find > that the alignment is affected later. Margaret, Steel front control arms are VERY strong. Ball joints and bushings may degrade and fail with age/wear, but that arms will still be in one piece unless assisted by an impact with an immovable object. I've witnessed multiple E30/E36 cars towed by front/rear arms. All E30s came out fine. All E36 needed new rear lower control arms. I went out and bought two sets of two hooks to put in my and my wife's cars in case either ever needs to be towed. They ride in the trunk next to a quart of extra oil. > It seems that T-hooks would be best. Agreed. alex f

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#11. RE: [E36M3] Jackstand placement advice - from Murray Roblin
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:59:56 -0700 From: "Murray Roblin" <murray@farleyroblin.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Jackstand placement advice Others have responded about avoiding the pucks because the stands might slip. I've used the rear trailing arms as described by (I believe) Koala Motorsports. The suggestion is to support the car at the front pivot, where the trailing arm connects with the body. This works fine, but is fairly deep, so requires a taller jackstand. Murray -----Original Message----- From: K.C. Boyce [mailto:kcb@abcgroup-inc.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:20 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Jackstand placement advice Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:19:47 -0400 From: "K.C. Boyce" <kcb@abcgroup-inc.com> Subject: Jackstand placement advice Gruppe, I'm getting ready to change my brake rotors and pads, and got as far as hoisting the rear of my car in the air before I hit a stumbling block. As far as I could see, there isn't a good place to put jackstands. The rear trailing arms don't have a good horizontal place to put them (as on my ex-E30), and everything else seems to be soft underbelly or gas tank. Where is the recommended place to set jackstands in the rear of our cars? Up front, it looks like there are rubber pucks near the OE jack holes, so that's no problem. In the rear, there are oval slots near the OE jack holes -- are there supposed to be rubber pucks there as well? Thanks in advance for your help! KC Boyce '97 M3/4 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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