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#1. Re: [E36M3] camber plates and thanks - from Dave Kelley
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:02:48 -0400 From: "Dave Kelley" <d.kelley@usa.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] camber plates and thanks It can be done. I have the Ground Control Hybrid camber plates and I was able to get an alignment where I can go from street camber to track camber (-4 degrees) with the proper toe for each. I don't have the exact specs right now, but I was able to get exactly what GC recommended with my front GC Coilovers. I did have to use shims on the front struts. But it works like a charm switching from street settings to track. So Mark, there "is" a free lunch! :-) Dave Kelley > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:36:29 -0700 > From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] camber plates and thanks > > Great plan, except that front camber changes will also change your toe > setting. So when you switch from auto-x to street setting and vice > versa, you'll need to change your toe as well. > > Sadly, there's no free lunch in this case. > > - Mark > > On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 08:33 PM, Mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:23:34 EDT > > From: Mdriver13@aol.com > > Subject: camber plates and thanks > > > > Group, > > > > First I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my email on springs. > > Great > > insight from all perspectives and I decided to try the Eibach Pro-Kit > > springs. Since I have the Eibach sway bars and Konis this is probably > > a good match. > > > > Now under the adage, there's nothing like more negative camber, here > > goes. > > I'm wondering what is the best way to get more "on-demand" negative > > camber. > > That is, negative camber for autox days, back to normal settings for > > daily > > driving. Last year I had the front toe set out and wore out a front > > set of MXX3's > > in 7,000 miles...ouch! So excuse me if I'm a little sensitive to front > > alignment changes. I'm thinking about using a fixed camber plate > > set-up with the > > Korman washers and set the camber at to -2.5 degrees...then remove the > > washers > > at home and allow the camber to drop to -2.0 degrees for street use. > > This > > seems easier and cheaper than using adjustable plates. Anyway, the > > best > > adjustable plates are the Kline's at $500. I can buy the Dinan fix > > plates and the > > Korman washer kit for $220 complete. > > > > Comments, ideas, and replies appreciated. > > > > Bob Gill > > 97 ///M3 coupe > > Philly Region SCCA > > BSP Champion '01 & '02 > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#2. Winter Tires - Need Suggestions - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:12:02 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Winter Tires - Need Suggestions Where are you located? What type of driving do you do? What temps and amount of snow/ice/rain do you encounter? Do you value snow traction over ice traction or do you value dry traction the most still? Anyway, the type of winter tire depends on your intended use. I am a big fan of Nokian tyres. Regards, Rich
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#3. Re:camber plates and thanks - from Steve Hazard
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:37:34 -0400 From: "Steve Hazard" <SHazard@nhboston.com> Subject: Re:camber plates and thanks Bob, I run the TC plates also with his Race C/O D/A Koni's. I run 3.25 degrees of Neg up front with Zero Toe. The tire wear really isn't that bad. Any toe either way will shred your fronts if you go with oodles of Camber. Some of the Camber plates available will only work with a C/O setup. So you will want to ask this question to the vendors your shopping. Unless your going to drive to Regional and National SCCA Pro Solo's (lots of Hgwy miles) etc I strongly suggest you set it and leave it. One other note of importance. Depending on your tire brand and size along with the offset of your rims you might have to run hub eccentric spacers. I have the Fikse FM5's with a 37.7 offset in the 17x8.5 size with 245/40 Hoosiers and I use the H&R 5MM spacers to get enough clearance on the strut housing. Your not going to believe the transformation your car is going to make with 3+ degrees of Camber :-) Turn in is greatly enhanced, you will be able to trail brake much better, you will be able to "work" both ends of the car much easier......and most important the Understeer gremlin will be exorcised almost completely, nothing you can do in the tight 180's...everything pushes in those! HTH, Steve -------------------- 3 -------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 23:23:34 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: camber plates and thanks Group, First I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my email on springs. Great insight from all perspectives and I decided to try the Eibach Pro-Kit springs. Since I have the Eibach sway bars and Konis this is probably a good match. Now under the adage, there's nothing like more negative camber, here goes. I'm wondering what is the best way to get more "on-demand" negative camber. That is, negative camber for autox days, back to normal settings for daily driving. Last year I had the front toe set out and wore out a front set of MXX3's in 7,000 miles...ouch! So excuse me if I'm a little sensitive to front alignment changes. I'm thinking about using a fixed camber plate set-up with the Korman washers and set the camber at to -2.5 degrees...then remove the washers at home and allow the camber to drop to -2.0 degrees for street use. This seems easier and cheaper than using adjustable plates. Anyway, the best adjustable plates are the Kline's at $500. I can buy the Dinan fix plates and the Korman washer kit for $220 complete. Comments, ideas, and replies appreciated. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA BSP Champion '01 & '02
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#4. Re: [E36M3] camber plates and thanks - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 07:55:13 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] camber plates and thanks On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 07:14 AM, Dave Kelley wrote: > It can be done. I have the Ground Control Hybrid camber plates and I > was able to get an alignment where I can go from street camber to > track camber (-4 degrees) with the proper toe for each. I don't have > the exact specs right now, but I was able to get exactly what GC > recommended with my front GC Coilovers. I did have to use shims on > the front struts. But it works like a charm switching from street > settings > to track. You must be changing ride height as well as camber, huh? Either that, or you have different toe settings for each camber setting (such that the toe is "correct" for each camber setting). > So Mark, there "is" a free lunch! :-) > You're buying? Sweet! - Mark
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#5. Re: Winter Tires - Need Suggestions - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:01:33 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Winter Tires - Need Suggestions on 10/8/03 5:33 PM, "Wesley A. Nicolas" <wes@nicolas.org> wrote: > Need suggestions on winter tires for my 1995 M5 without > traction control....am I crazy to be driving this car in the > snow without traction control?? Not unreasonably, this question comes up every year, and the correct answer never changes: it depends. All tires are compromises. The major factors that determine how you'll choose your own particular compromise in snow tires include: 1) Where you live - are snow/ice constant, frequent, occasional? 2) How you use your car - e.g. must commute to work, no matter what the weather? 3) How you feel about handling - snows don't handle as well as high performance tires; how much are you willing to give up to get better snow/ice performance? Narrower tires work better in snow, but less well in normal conditions. 4) And then of course there's the overall question of cost, both initial and life-related. The softest, stickiest snow tires work better on snow/ice but wear out quicker. Reasonable tire choices for you depend on the answers to all the above. As an example, I live in NE Indiana, where we have multiple snows every winter, but we're not in the lake-effect heavy snow area. I used to commute to work, but it was only a few miles through the city, and always plowed promptly. I have Pirelli Winter 210 snows in 225/50-16 size. They're certainly not the ultimate in snow tires, but we go skiing up to Michigan with them, and they handle reasonably in both dry and wet conditions. My suggestion is to formulate your priorities based on the factors I've mentioned, then use Tire Rack reviews and other people's experiences as a guide to your choice. Neil 96 M3
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#6. Re: [E36M3] camber plates and thanks - from Dave Kelley
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:32:50 -0400 From: "Dave Kelley" <d.kelley@usa.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] camber plates and thanks No, ride height is the same. As you increase the camber from the street setting, the toe increases also, which is what you want for the track. By a little trial and error during the alignment, you can align the car in both camber positions so that the toe is correct. Dave > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 07:55:13 -0700 > From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] camber plates and thanks > > On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 07:14 AM, Dave Kelley wrote: > > It can be done. I have the Ground Control Hybrid camber plates and I > > was able to get an alignment where I can go from street camber to > > track camber (-4 degrees) with the proper toe for each. I don't have > > the exact specs right now, but I was able to get exactly what GC > > recommended with my front GC Coilovers. I did have to use shims on > > the front struts. But it works like a charm switching from street > > settings > > to track. > > You must be changing ride height as well as camber, huh? Either that, > or you have different toe settings for each camber setting (such that > the toe is "correct" for each camber setting). > > > So Mark, there "is" a free lunch! :-) > > > > You're buying? Sweet! > > - Mark > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#7. FS: Used Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22 Snow Tires - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:41:05 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: FS: Used Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22 Snow Tires With all of this talk about snow tires, I realized that I have 4 extra used LM-22's in 225/50/17 that have about 50% of their tread left on them. I upgraded the brakes on my car so the 17" wheels no longer fit and I would be willing to part with them for $250 (compared to $676 from TireRack). I would rather not have to ship them so local NYC/NJ people are preferred but an offer is an offer so I am willing to consider any. I can take pictures and measure tread depths if anyone wants. My experience with these tires has been extremely positive and I liked them better in the dry weather than the Continental ContiSports that came on my car. I was also amazed at the difference these tires made in the snow compared to the S03's. Yes, I expected a difference but I never imagined how much of a difference real snow tires made. -Wayne
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#8. Re: Differential Slip ... - from James Clay
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:16:03 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: Re: Differential Slip ... Slip forward or sideways? Traction control is definitely off, right? Guibo wouldn't have anything to do with a slipping problem. I doubt the diff is a problem at this point, but slightly possible. For street use, the NS will make the clutches grab better, but wear faster. Not good if that is really your issue already. James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648
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#9. RE: unsubscribe - from stu burness
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:51:09 -0600 From: stu burness <burness@unm.edu> Subject: RE: unsubscribe I copy the message below I received when I first subscribed. AS you will see the email is the same as in the unsubscribe request: "Thursday, January 07, 1999 5:23 PM -0700 -- Welcome to the e36m3-digest mailing list! Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send the following command in email to <e36m3-digest-request@Mailing-List.net>: unsubscribe Or you can send mail to <Majordomo@Mailing-List.net> with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe e36m3-digest or from another account, besides burness@unm.edu: unsubscribe e36m3-digest burness@unm.edu If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to <owner-e36m3-digest@Mailing-List.net> . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: [Last updated on: Thu Jan 7 14:39:58 1999] Just a few words from the list owner about the E36 M3 mailing list. No personal attacks or off topic discussions are tolerated on this list. This is a forum for a very specific purpose, and that is to discuss the E36 M3. It is not required that all posts be of a technical nature, but they must relate to the E36 M3. Your cooperation is very much appreciated. Suzy Kraft list owner" (end of message) --On Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:53 AM -0500 E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> wrote: > You have submitted an unsubscribe request to our mailing list but the > address you sent from is not found in our subscriber list. The > unsubscribe cannot be processed. > > It is possible that you may have subscribed under another email address; > if so, please try that email address. > > If you continue to have problems, please contact us at webmaster@bmw-m.net > > Thank you for your patience, > > WEBMASTER > Stu Burness Professor of Economics Department of Economics MSC05 3060 1 UNM Albuquerque, NM 87131 505-277-1952
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#10. mileage to change plugs - from ga.preece@att.net
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:35:10 +0000 From: ga.preece@att.net Subject: mileage to change plugs Hey Guys, What mileage would you use to change plugs? I have not kept a close eye on the Inspection I or II intervals. Thanks. Gary