E36M3 #3414

Friday, October 10, 2003 10:34:52

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#1. Stopping break squeal - from Shelhart2@aol.com
#2. Part number for BMW RTAB tool? - from Bill Kim
#3. Re: [E36M3] Few questions regarding S/Cs and H&Rs... - from DocWyte
#4. Wheel paint that matches 100% found, 95 M3 - from GGray657@aol.com
#5. Re: [E36M3] camber plates and thanks - from Alain van der Heide
#6. Stopping brake squeal - from Shelhart2@aol.com
#7. Re: Snows in DC - from marc@plante.com
#8. RE: Winter Tires - Need Suggestions - from Dorffer, Rich
#9. Re: [E36M3] Wheel paint that matches 100% found, 95 M3 - from Michael Lawrence
#10. RE: [E36M3] RE: Winter Tires - Need Suggestions - from Jamie Howton

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#1. Stopping break squeal - from Shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:13:32 EDT From: Shelhart2@aol.com Subject: Stopping break squeal The new Stop Tech kit is sqealing a bit. What is the best material for the back of the pads to eliminate the sqeal? TIA. Shel 1998 M3

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#2. Part number for BMW RTAB tool? - from Bill Kim
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 18:07:17 -0500 From: "Bill Kim" <billkim@texas.net> Subject: Part number for BMW RTAB tool? Does anyone have the part number for the BMW factory RTAB tool? The dealer gave me a number, but I want to verify it before ordering. TIA Bill Kim 95 M3

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Few questions regarding S/Cs and H&Rs... - from DocWyte
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:13:05 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Few questions regarding S/Cs and H&Rs... The H&R coilovers are nice for the street. I've been told by turner that they have the same rates as the H&R lowering springs, which instantly made me wonder why anyone would care to buy them vs the lowering springs and a set of koni's, but I geuss some people like to play with ride height. If you auto-x seriously or do alot of track schools, I'd probably look at the TC Kline or Ground Control setups instead. There is no "special" mileage to add a supercharger. As long as your engine is in good shape, go for it! 60k or 160k, doesn't matter. I wouldn't bother with the expense of adding the cam kit if you really want a supercharger. Just get the supercharger. -josh --- Som Naderi <som@dimensionracing.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:34:28 -0700 > From: "Som Naderi" <som@dimensionracing.com> > Subject: Few questions regarding S/Cs and H&Rs... > > Few questions... one: I'm getting ready to upgrade > the suspension on my 98 2-door. I'm particularly > interested in the H&R coil-over kits... does anyone > have any experience with these? Also, is there a > difference between just the normal coil-over kit and > the "RSS" version? (or are they one and the same) > > Two: I'm coming up on 60k miles on my car. Is this > too much if I'm interested in supercharging it? If > not, how many more miles do I have left to go until > adding a supercharger will likely give me headaches? > > Three: I may consider upgrading cams/software prior > to/instead of supercharging. Would performing a cam > upgrade prevent me from adding a supercharger later? > (that is, will I be able to reap the benefits of > both, or would I be asking for problems?) > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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#4. Wheel paint that matches 100% found, 95 M3 - from GGray657@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:42:07 EDT From: GGray657@aol.com Subject: Wheel paint that matches 100% found, 95 M3 Well, I do not know if this is any info people can use but I accidentally found some silver paint that matches the silver on the 95 M3 wheels 100%...Matches so good when I repainted the lips on my wheel you could not tell where the new paint was vs. the old paint...My Dad and the guy who works with me thought I had not painted the wheel yet. I painted the lips silver and the center section a medium metallic gray color..MAN they look good this way. If any one wants the color code for the silver let me know I can post it. Gary

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#5. Re: [E36M3] camber plates and thanks - from Alain van der Heide
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:57:14 -0500 From: "Alain van der Heide" <ajvdh1@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] camber plates and thanks Agreed. Bimmerhaus set me up with use the "old" GC plates, with Koni S/A coil-overs in front. The car's dropped about 1-1/2" from stock. When I have the plates set to "street" (about 1.2 degrees camber), I have about 1/8" toe-in each side. When I push the plates all the way in, I get just over 3 degrees camber, and the toe is almost exactly 0. Since I'm already swapping wheels, the additional 2 or 3 minutes per side to tweak the camber is no big deal. - Alain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Kelley" <d.kelley@usa.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] camber plates and thanks > Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:02:48 -0400 > From: "Dave Kelley" <d.kelley@usa.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] camber plates and thanks > > It can be done. I have the Ground Control Hybrid camber plates and I > was able to get an alignment where I can go from street camber to > track camber (-4 degrees) with the proper toe for each. I don't have > the exact specs right now, but I was able to get exactly what GC > recommended with my front GC Coilovers. I did have to use shims on > the front struts. But it works like a charm switching from street settings > to track. [snip]

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#6. Stopping brake squeal - from Shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:55:17 EDT From: Shelhart2@aol.com Subject: Stopping brake squeal The new Stop Tech kit is generating a little squeal. I think the pads are Ultimates (not Hawk). What is the best product to put on the back of the pads to stop the squeal? Shel

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#7. Re: Snows in DC - from marc@plante.com
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:44:12 -0400 (EDT) From: marc@plante.com Subject: Re: Snows in DC I'm on my second set of snow tires for 8 years in DC, I tend to put them on only when needed, so for most winters, the're not on much. Last winter, I left them on for the 3 month stretch of heavy snow we had. I've run Bridgestones, which are great in snow, but not as happy on highways at high speed and about as slippery (IMO) on wet roads as they are on snow covered. This says as much about how good they are in snow as how bad they are in rain. Last winter, I ran Michelin Alpins, which were fine in all those storms last year (I work in telecom and didn't miss any work at all). My neighbor and friend frives a 95 M3 and had very good results with the Hakka 1s. I'd say studding is a bit of overkill in DC and you'll resent the dry road noise. Marc Plante E36 325i, 216k Vienna, VA

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#8. RE: Winter Tires - Need Suggestions - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:40:05 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: RE: Winter Tires - Need Suggestions Lowell said> > I have not needed snow tires or all season tires in 15 years since moving to Texas. Well, this seems fairly obvious to me with my limited knowledge of Texas' climate. > Personally, I think snow tires are overkill except for maybe the high mountain areas. > New (i.e. fairly deep tread - low mileage) all season tires are better than pure snow > tires 95% of the time. The only time snow tires are better is deep (greater than 8") > snow. All season tires are far better than snow tires on ice. They have more rubber > on the ice and do a better job with the melting ice water. I really couldn't disagree more, there is no one tire that can do it all. A dedicated tire for X of months a year when you encounter warmer temps combined with dry and wet environment along with a dedicated tire for X months a year when you encounter colder temps with snow and ice (along with some dry and wet) is WAYYYY better than one all season tire year round. I would take a set of Michelin MXX3s for 8 months and a set of Nokians for 4 months of the year versus a set of Michelin Energy One tires (insert any all-season tire here) for the entire year. Snow tires are way better on ice too, there is no all-season tire that is better than my Nokians (non-studded) on ice. All the additional sipes provide the traction. The Nokians are better in deep snow, crushed snow, packed snow, slush, ice, you name it. I can run circles around any all-season tire in inclement conditions (i.e., cold with snow/ice), I would bet my "pink slips" on it :-) Your comment that more rubber on ice to melt the ice isn't very sound. Melted water on top of a layer of ice with all-season tires is pretty precarious. Based on your comment, a bald all-season tire (maximum rubber on the ice) would get the best traction... I don't disagree that traction is developed by melting a bit of ice, but it certainly isn't the only factor, especially when the melted ice is on top of a layer of ice. The snow tires have much more siping which provides the additional bite over an all-season tire. I use Nokians here in Ohio where most of my driving is in the snow belt. When there is snow or ice, these tires work. I drove one day on a set of Kuhmos when we got a dusting of snow....talk about scary. The car had what I felt was 5% of the traction (95% of statistics are made up...kind of like your reference to 95% above :-) in comparison and there was 50% tread or better on all four tires. Besides, who is going to put all season tires on an M3?!? Your performance would stink in the summer and be mediocre in the winter. Sounds like a double negative to me. Regards, Rich 95 M3 - not used in the winter 90 325is - rides on Nokians in the winter...I pass the snow plows....

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Wheel paint that matches 100% found, 95 M3 - from Michael Lawrence
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:50:03 -0400 From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Wheel paint that matches 100% found, 95 M3 Sure we want it Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <GGray657@aol.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 11:43 PM Subject: [E36M3] Wheel paint that matches 100% found, 95 M3 > Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:42:07 EDT > From: GGray657@aol.com > Subject: Wheel paint that matches 100% found, 95 M3 > > Well, I do not know if this is any info people can use but I accidentally > found some silver paint that matches the silver on the 95 M3 wheels > 100%...Matches so good when I repainted the lips on my wheel you could not tell where the > new paint was vs. the old paint...My Dad and the guy who works with me thought > I had not painted the wheel yet. I painted the lips silver and the center > section a medium metallic gray color..MAN they look good this way. > > If any one wants the color code for the silver let me know I can post it. > > Gary > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#10. RE: [E36M3] RE: Winter Tires - Need Suggestions - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:31:56 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@fotofab.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Winter Tires - Need Suggestions I've got to weigh in on the snow tire/all season tire thread. I drive 100 miles each day mostly on the highway which is usually plowed very well but the last three miles from the highway to my house is on unplowed rural roads. I currently drive my 2002 330i and 95 M3 year round both with dedicated snow tires (currently Dunlop Wintersport M2) during winter. During the past 4 years I have driven several different cars all with all season radials (Porsche 928, Ford Taurus, Audi A4 Quattro, Mitsubishi 3000GT) on this same commute winter and summer. Without a doubt, my two Bimmers handle better with Dedicated snow tires (in winter) than did any of my other cars whether they were front, rear or all wheel drive on all seasons. My Audi Quattro on Pirelli P7000 tires was awful in the winter. On anything worse than light slush the car was all over the road; true, it started from a standstill well (with all four wheels spinning merrily away) but stoping and steering were two entirely different propositions. Based upon my experience I can't believe that anyone (with any experience) would think that all season tires in any way come close to the performance of dedicated snow tires on snow, wet, slush or ice. I wish that I'd seen the light regarding snow tires years ago, they make all the difference. Just my $0.02. Jamie Howton 2002 330i 1995 M3

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