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#1. RE: [E36M3] Protective jacket- bike gear in an auto - from Newman, Christopher
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:08:45 -0500 From: "Newman, Christopher" <CNewman@LSAC.org> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Protective jacket- bike gear in an auto Mike, a great reply. What got me thinking was the harness/rollbar discussions. Similar to how helmets dissipate energy upon an impact, I was thinking the jacket armor could help do the same. In an accident or rollover, if your arms and upper body are getting tossed around, the armor might help. At any rate, thanks again. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 09:09:11 -0800 > From: "Mount, Mike" <JMMn@pge.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Protective jacket- bike gear in an auto > > Motorcycle gear is designed with basically 2 guidelines; > 1. Protect the rider for the fall - basically a vertical fall of < > 6 feet. That is the reason for both the hard and soft armor. > 2. Protect the rider for the slide. Materials like leather and > ballistic nylon are used for this purpose. > An auto is designed to absorb a huge amount of force during an > accident. No human could survive that amount of force and that is why > motorcycle gear isn't designed to protect the rider from an impact by > another auto, armco, bridge abutment, etc, but to allow them to get away > from the bike and slow by friction and, hopefully, survive the tumble and > road rash. > Good motorcycle gear would impede movement in an auto as the jackets > are designed to either have an internal back protector or allow for one > and to protect the lower spine during a crash. Gloves are probably okay, > the carbon fiber armor is ontop but then good gloves lock the ring and > little fingers together to prevent a break. That might be cumbersome for > some who use the shift techniques seen on some websites to prevent the > dreaded misshifts. > Knee sliders might feel weird, though I've seen many drivers and > racers use pads for racing. > Plus, there is that 'Power Ranger' thing going on too... > Courses designed for motorcycle racing have much greater runoff than > do auto courses. Areas that can't be moved are mitigated by use of an > 'air fence' or similar device which is like a giant air bag. Auto course > runoff areas are now being paved to allow the tyres to slow the car. A > rider will keep sliding on pavement but slow sooner in a gravel trap. The > result of this is the courses are moving away from one another in the area > of design. Barber Motorsport was (IIRC) designed from the beginning with > motorcycle racing in mind. > Mike > '95 M3 aka "Jehane" > '01 Ducati 996 mono, aka "Belladonna" > '01 Ducati 748R race bike, aka "Bellacita" > >
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Protective jacket - from Walter Jordan
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:10:43 -0500 From: "Walter Jordan" <wbj12@rcn.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Protective jacket No, its not very likely that you would benefit from wearing a set of leathers or even just the jacket... motorcycle protective gear does have impact foam at critical points but it is there to keep you from shattering bones that typically hit first when thrown from your bike - not from crushing forces. In addition, the material is thick, it would rob you of all the inputs you get from the seat and back while driving. It is also tailored to fit comfortably while riding - longer sleeves shifted neck line, etc... so the fit would be all wrong in the car. Driving suits are a necessity for racing - but the thinner the better. The car, restraints, and cages/bars are your impact protection. The suit/gloves/shoes/underwear are to keep you from burning for a few seconds while you get out. -----Original Message----- From: Newman, Christopher [mailto:CNewman@LSAC.org] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:49 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Protective jacket Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:43:37 -0500 From: "Newman, Christopher" <CNewman@LSAC.org> Subject: Protective jacket Various safety topics have been discussed recently. Perhaps an unusual question on an unusual day: Certain motorcycle jackets have protective armor in the elbows, shoulders, etc. Anyone wear their motorcycle jacket while driving their car, be it on the street, track, or autocross ? It's not a nomex driver's suit, but it seems most people wear street clothes at driver's schools and autocrosses anyway. Assuming it doesn't impede your movement or make you too hot, why not have the extra protection ? Any comments ? ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Protective jacket - from Newman, Christopher
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:36:26 -0500 From: "Newman, Christopher" <CNewman@LSAC.org> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Protective jacket Another great reply. I figured the jacket fit would be an issue, but didn't consider the loss of sensory input, so thanks for adding in that variable. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:10:43 -0500 > From: "Walter Jordan" <wbj12@rcn.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Protective jacket > > No, its not very likely that you would benefit from wearing a set of > leathers or even just the jacket... motorcycle protective gear does have > impact foam at critical points but it is there to keep you from shattering > bones that typically hit first when thrown from your bike - not from > crushing forces. In addition, the material is thick, it would rob you of > all > the inputs you get from the seat and back while driving. It is also > tailored > to fit comfortably while riding - longer sleeves shifted neck line, etc... > so the fit would be all wrong in the car. > > Driving suits are a necessity for racing - but the thinner the better. The > car, restraints, and cages/bars are your impact protection. The > suit/gloves/shoes/underwear are to keep you from burning for a few seconds > while you get out. >
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#4. RE: TEMP Sensor Position - from Pedro Aceves
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:33:56 -0700 From: Pedro Aceves <aceves@mac.com> Subject: RE: TEMP Sensor Position Nick, I have a little webpage that may help you out here's the link http://homepage.mac.com/aceves/OBD_ONE1.html Look through a couple pages and there should be a picture somewhere showing the sensors. Pedro Aceves.
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#5. Coils - from jeff bjerke
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:39:46 -0500 From: "jeff bjerke" <jbjerke@charter.net> Subject: Coils Last week someone posted a question on how to test the individual coil packs on the M3. I would like this information as well, but didn't see any replies. Anyone have any information about this? Also it was mentioned that they go bad and destroy the DME. True? Jeff Bjerke 97 M3 Sedan 96 M3 Race Car 02 YZ250 Motocross Bike (purchased yesterday!)
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#6. Advanced Design Coilovers - from Payet, Bernardo
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:41:08 -0500 From: "Payet, Bernardo" <Bernardo.Payet@acs-inc.com> Subject: Advanced Design Coilovers Could someone with Advanced Design Coilovers (from Ground Control) shoot me an email offline regarding adjustment. Thanks, Bernardo '97 M3/4
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Coils - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:34:33 -0600 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Coils "jeff bjerke" <jbjerke@charter.net> wrote: > > Last week someone posted a question on how to test the > individual coil packs on the M3. I would like this > information as well, but didn't see any replies. > Anyone have any information about this? Jeff, The truth is that you can't easily test the coils. Bentley has a simple resistance check, but even bad coils pass it. Testing one under load is tricky. Some dealers have load testers, but even those are not conclusive. Long story short, if you suspect a bad coil (or yours have more than 50-80K miles on them), but 6 all new ones. With the new 'trunks'. Bosch coils are supposedly the best. The other three names (Beru, and 2 others) are cheaper. > Also it was mentioned that they go bad and destroy the DME. > True? Yes. A bad coil can misfire and fry the DME. Not the most common failure mode, but a pretty expensive one when it does happen. alex f
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Coils - from DocWyte
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:42:34 -0800 (PST) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Coils Jeff, Yep, it can and does happen. Happened to me a few months back. Completely melted a coil pack and the voltage spike killed the DME. -josh > > Also it was mentioned that they go bad and destroy > the DME. > > True? > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/
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#9. WTB: 95 M3 w/ASC+T - from Guillermo Molina
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:22:40 -0500 From: "Guillermo Molina" <drwillb@msn.com> Subject: WTB: 95 M3 w/ASC+T Posting this for a friend. He is looking for a good 95 M3, lower mileage preferred, any color, must come from good home. Traction control a must, options optional. Thanks, Bill Molina _________________________________________________________________ Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com
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#10. Re: [E36M3] WTB: 95 M3 w/ASC+T - from Bruce
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:40:48 -0600 From: "Bruce" <gobuffs93@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] WTB: 95 M3 w/ASC+T Gonna be a tough find. The only way you can find that is with an aftermarket traction control system. It was not standard nor was it optional on the 95 M3. ASC wasn't offered until 96 on the M3. Bruce 95 M3 (no ASC) 89 M3 2.5 (no ASC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guillermo Molina" <drwillb@msn.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: [E36M3] WTB: 95 M3 w/ASC+T > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:22:40 -0500 > From: "Guillermo Molina" <drwillb@msn.com> > Subject: WTB: 95 M3 w/ASC+T > > Posting this for a friend. He is looking for a good 95 M3, lower mileage > preferred, any color, must come from good home. Traction control a must, > options optional. > > Thanks, > Bill Molina > > _________________________________________________________________ > Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed > Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. > https://broadband.msn.com > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >