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#1. Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea - from Adam Kim
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:31:37 -0800 From: Adam Kim <adamkim@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea Hm, this sounds familiar. Could be a scam. http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56829,00.html -adam david tow wrote: > Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:08:49 -0800 > From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> > Subject: Selling a car oversea > > Hi, all, > > I live in San Jose, California. I am recently selling a car to a > stranger in Spain, and would like those of you who have handled case > like this to offer me some helpful tips as how to do the tranfer. I > am worried that I would end up on the short end of the stick if not > careful. > > Anyway, Tony, the stranger saw the ad of my Alfa and is wanting to buy > the car from me after seeing the photos. He's now in Spain and won't > be able to come and pick up the car himself. So he's offering the > following suggestion: He has a client who owes Tony $18,000 and Tony > has told him to issue the sum to me (cashier's check) via American > Bank. He has asked me to deduct the cost of my car ($12,000) and send > the remaining funds to his shipper through Western Union. Tony has > not mentioned if his client and the shipper are from U.S.A. > > Tony said that he would have the shipper come to my home and pick up > the car. He suggested that the shipper would use the funds for the > shipping/insurance of the car when they get here. > > Tony has not mentioned whether he trusts the shipper or not. > > Is this a okay way to tranfer a car oversea? > > Any help on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for the > non-BMW content! > > David > > _________________________________________________________________ > Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run > the FREE McAfee online computer scan! > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea - from Reid Conti
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:05:28 -0800 From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea Better yet, play along, sounding completely naive, and get everybody's info. Then give it to the FBI, or whomever investigates this kind of fraud (wire fraud might be Secret Service?) If this sounds too extreme, reread your situation and realize this person has no problem stealing $6,000 of your money from you. Then realize he WILL end up doing it to someone else in the future, and very likely has already done it before. And if it's all an innocent misunderstanding, well, then nothing bad will happen to the guy. - reid On Thursday, Dec 4, 2003, at 23:30 US/Pacific, Mark Dadgar wrote: > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:23:53 -0800 > From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea > > On Dec 4, 2003, at 11:20 PM, david tow wrote: >> Anyway, Tony, the stranger saw the ad of my Alfa and is wanting to >> buy the car from me after seeing the photos. He's now in Spain and >> won't be able to come and pick up the car himself. So he's offering >> the following suggestion: He has a client who owes Tony $18,000 and >> Tony has told him to issue the sum to me (cashier's check) via >> American Bank. He has asked me to deduct the cost of my car >> ($12,000) and send the remaining funds to his shipper through Western >> Union. Tony has not mentioned if his client and the shipper are from >> U.S.A. > > This is a HUGE SCAM. > > Walk away from this one right now. > > http://tinyurl.com/xtxr > > - Mark > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea - from david tow
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:16:26 -0800 From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea Or it could be genuine if the buyer is desperate... It's car that is in rare mint condition after all. How could I ask the guy in order to tell whether he's the real article? I am curious now. David >From: Adam Kim <adamkim@mindspring.com> >To: david tow <david_tow@hotmail.com> >CC: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea >Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:31:37 -0800 > >Hm, this sounds familiar. Could be a scam. > >http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56829,00.html > >-adam > >david tow wrote: > >>Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:08:49 -0800 >>From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> >>Subject: Selling a car oversea >> >>Hi, all, >> >>I live in San Jose, California. I am recently selling a car to a stranger >>in Spain, and would like those of you who have handled case like this to >>offer me some helpful tips as how to do the tranfer. I am worried that I >>would end up on the short end of the stick if not careful. >> >>Anyway, Tony, the stranger saw the ad of my Alfa and is wanting to buy the >>car from me after seeing the photos. He's now in Spain and won't be able >>to come and pick up the car himself. So he's offering the following >>suggestion: He has a client who owes Tony $18,000 and Tony has told him to >>issue the sum to me (cashier's check) via American Bank. He has asked me >>to deduct the cost of my car ($12,000) and send the remaining funds to his >>shipper through Western Union. Tony has not mentioned if his client and >>the shipper are from U.S.A. >> >>Tony said that he would have the shipper come to my home and pick up the >>car. He suggested that the shipper would use the funds for the >>shipping/insurance of the car when they get here. >> >>Tony has not mentioned whether he trusts the shipper or not. >> >>Is this a okay way to tranfer a car oversea? >> >>Any help on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for the >>non-BMW content! >> >>David >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the >>FREE McAfee online computer scan! >>http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 >> >> >> >>************************************************* >>Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >>Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com >>Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >>BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com >>Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >>Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> >>DIGEST INFORMATION: >>http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >>************************************************* >> >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ Shop online for kids’ toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea - from Reid Conti
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:55:56 -0800 From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea Tricky situation. The first thing that screamed "scam" at me was the fact that he wanted you to essentially launder some money for him. I see no good reason for you to send him a check. In these days of electronic wire transfers, why bother? If you want to do it, do it one of two ways. I recommend you take ONLY payment for the car. Have the local contact send the guy his remaining $6000 himself. Wire transfer. Or stick a check in the mail, who cares. Why do his dirty work for him? OR, if you are really convinced, ok, take the full $18,000... this is sketchy though. THEN, wait until the check clears. You've got the car, wait as long as it takes. Make your bank promise to you in writing that you actually have the money! Then send the car. Either way, this sounds EXTREMELY suspicious. Even if it is real, who knows if the money is legit! It's bad enough to sell a car to a guy for money of unknown origin, but it seems particularly bad to launder $6000 extra through your own account without a good reason for doing so. Actually, my first question about the whole thing is, how is the car being shipped, how much will it cost, and how will he go about certifying it in Spain? After all, he sounds like a car guy. He should be able to explain to you what he's going to have to do to the car to drive it there. Odds are he doesn't have a clue. If you do follow my advice and still lose your money, I disclaim all responsibility! - reid On Friday, Dec 5, 2003, at 01:20 US/Pacific, david tow wrote: > Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:16:26 -0800 > From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea > > Or it could be genuine if the buyer is desperate... It's car that is > in rare mint condition after all. How could I ask the guy in order to > tell whether he's the real article? > > I am curious now. > > David > > >> From: Adam Kim <adamkim@mindspring.com> >> To: david tow <david_tow@hotmail.com> >> CC: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea >> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:31:37 -0800 >> >> Hm, this sounds familiar. Could be a scam. >> >> http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56829,00.html >> >> -adam >> >> david tow wrote: >> >>> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:08:49 -0800 >>> From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> >>> Subject: Selling a car oversea >>> >>> Hi, all, >>> >>> I live in San Jose, California. I am recently selling a car to a >>> stranger in Spain, and would like those of you who have handled case >>> like this to offer me some helpful tips as how to do the tranfer. I >>> am worried that I would end up on the short end of the stick if not >>> careful. >>> >>> Anyway, Tony, the stranger saw the ad of my Alfa and is wanting to >>> buy the car from me after seeing the photos. He's now in Spain and >>> won't be able to come and pick up the car himself. So he's offering >>> the following suggestion: He has a client who owes Tony $18,000 and >>> Tony has told him to issue the sum to me (cashier's check) via >>> American Bank. He has asked me to deduct the cost of my car >>> ($12,000) and send the remaining funds to his shipper through >>> Western Union. Tony has not mentioned if his client and the shipper >>> are from U.S.A. >>> >>> Tony said that he would have the shipper come to my home and pick up >>> the car. He suggested that the shipper would use the funds for the >>> shipping/insurance of the car when they get here. >>> >>> Tony has not mentioned whether he trusts the shipper or not. >>> >>> Is this a okay way to tranfer a car oversea? >>> >>> Any help on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for the >>> non-BMW content! >>> >>> David >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. >>> Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! >>> http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************************************* >>> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >>> Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com >>> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >>> BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com >>> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >>> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >>> >>> DIGEST INFORMATION: >>> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >>> ************************************************* >>> >>> >>> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Shop online for kids’ toys by age group, price range, and toy category > at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! > http://shopping.msn.com > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea - from DocWyte
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 04:27:34 -0800 (PST) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea This is the oldest scam around. The check they send isn't valid and by the time the bank realizes it and demands all their money back, you've already sent out the funds to the con man, so you're left holding the bag. RUN AWAY! -josh --- david tow <david_tow@hotmail.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:08:49 -0800 > From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> > Subject: Selling a car oversea > > Hi, all, > > I live in San Jose, California. I am recently > selling a car to a stranger > in Spain, and would like those of you who have > handled case like this to > offer me some helpful tips as how to do the tranfer. > I am worried that I > would end up on the short end of the stick if not > careful. > > Anyway, Tony, the stranger saw the ad of my Alfa and > is wanting to buy the > car from me after seeing the photos. He's now in > Spain and won't be able to > come and pick up the car himself. So he's offering > the following > suggestion: He has a client who owes Tony $18,000 > and Tony has told him to > issue the sum to me (cashier's check) via American > Bank. He has asked me to > deduct the cost of my car ($12,000) and send the > remaining funds to his > shipper through Western Union. Tony has not > mentioned if his client and the > shipper are from U.S.A. > > Tony said that he would have the shipper come to my > home and pick up the > car. He suggested that the shipper would use the > funds for the > shipping/insurance of the car when they get here. > > Tony has not mentioned whether he trusts the shipper > or not. > > Is this a okay way to tranfer a car oversea? > > Any help on the matter would be greatly appreciated. > Sorry for the non-BMW > content! > > David > > _________________________________________________________________ > Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your > computer? Find out. Run the > FREE McAfee online computer scan! > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/
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#6. scam - from driver8 ///M3
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 05:25:49 -0800 (PST) From: driver8 ///M3 <driver8m3@yahoo.com> Subject: scam definitely a scam...but instead of walking away, you can just screw with the tony (the scammer). check out these links. some very funny stuff. http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com http://www.scamorama.com russell dakar 99 ------------------ 9 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:08:49 -0800 > From: "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> > Subject: Selling a car oversea > > Hi, all, > > I live in San Jose, California. I am recently selling a car to a > stranger > in Spain, and would like those of you who have handled case like this to > > offer me some helpful tips as how to do the tranfer. I am worried that > I > would end up on the short end of the stick if not careful. > > Anyway, Tony, the stranger saw the ad of my Alfa and is wanting to buy > the > car from me after seeing the photos. He's now in Spain and won't be > able to > come and pick up the car himself. So he's offering the following > suggestion: He has a client who owes Tony $18,000 and Tony has told him > to > issue the sum to me (cashier's check) via American Bank. He has asked > me to > deduct the cost of my car ($12,000) and send the remaining funds to his > shipper through Western Union. Tony has not mentioned if his client and > the > shipper are from U.S.A. > > Tony said that he would have the shipper come to my home and pick up the > > car. He suggested that the shipper would use the funds for the > shipping/insurance of the car when they get here. > > Tony has not mentioned whether he trusts the shipper or not. > > Is this a okay way to tranfer a car oversea? > > Any help on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for the > non-BMW > content! > > David
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#7. Re: Selling a car overseas - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:11:58 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Selling a car overseas on 12/5/03 2:40 AM, E36M3 at "david tow" <david_tow@hotmail.com> wrote: > So he's offering the following > suggestion: He has a client who owes Tony $18,000 and Tony has told him to > issue the sum to me (cashier's check) via American Bank. He has asked me to > deduct the cost of my car ($12,000) and send the remaining funds to his > shipper through Western Union. Tony has not mentioned if his client and the > shipper are from U.S.A. > > Tony said that he would have the shipper come to my home and pick up the > car. He suggested that the shipper would use the funds for the > shipping/insurance of the car when they get here. > > Tony has not mentioned whether he trusts the shipper or not. > > Is this a okay way to tranfer a car oversea? > > Any help on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for the non-BMW > content! > > David DON'T DO IT! ============ This is identical to a scam which has recently been publicized, and depends on the use of invalid Cashier's Checks. Most people believe that a Cashier's Check is as good as money. That is NOT the case. Although a bank will usually credit the face amount to you on presentation, ultimately its worth is dependent on the check being honoured by the issuing bank. What happens in the scam is the the Cashier's Check is fake, but this doesn't come to light until several days, maybe a week or more, later. Your bank then debits the amount back from your account. Note that YOU will carry the bad check loss, not the bank. By then your car has disappeared, and in this case you've even paid an extra $6 grand, and now that's gone too. The bottom line is that you've now actually paid someone money to steal your car. Or they may not take your car (after all it's an Alfa!). This is the classic con, where the word "confidence" refers not to your confidence in them, but to their gaining your trust by appearing to have confidence in you. Here's that scenario: you deposit the check for $18K, give them $6K, and they say they'll send someone over in a couple of days to pick up the car. How can you go wrong, you think? After all, you have their money and still have the car. Then you never hear from them again, the Cashier's Check bounces, and you're out your $6K. Oh, it's a sweet and classic con! The only ways that I can see to protect yourself, in the extraordinarily remote eventuality that this is on the up-and-up, is to either: 1) Wait until the Cashier's Check is confirmed by your bank as cleared; 2) Insist that the Cashier's check be issued from a Bank local to you, and go and cash it personally. Take a bodyguard. It's dollars to doughnuts that if you start imposing these conditions up front the deal will evaporate. And if you don't believe me, why my good friend Mrs. Marian Abacha has stashed $45 million she needs to get out of Nigeria, and you can keep $15M of it if you'll help her. <g> And if you'd like a less costly education in the way of the con, go and rent David Mamet's "House of Games," with Joe Mantegna and Lindsay Crouse. Neil 96 M3
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea - from Reynaldo K Tong
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 06:16:11 -0800 (PST) From: Reynaldo K Tong <chinesebmw@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea Total scam. Same thing happen to me when i tried to sell my 99 Yamaha YZF R1 Turbo. Check here for a GREAT LAUGH! http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58123 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea - from Andrew E. Kalman
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 06:17:58 -0800 From: "Andrew E. Kalman" <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Selling a car oversea My only question is ... why are you SELLING an Alfa? You should be buying more ... :-) -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com
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#10. Selling a car oversea - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:47:18 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Selling a car oversea Your kidding right? This is a scam. Regards, Rich