E36M3 #3518

Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:13:12

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Advice on Kumho Ecsta Supra 712's for wet driving - from Paci, Noah
#2. Re: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? - from Mark Dadgar
#3. RE: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? - from Jamie Howton
#4. RE: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? - from Jamie Howton
#5. Re: 330i PP LSD - from KLchmn@aol.com
#6. E36 S50/S52 flywheel interchangeability - from Adam Kim
#7. FS: 98 M3 Coupe - from Shelhart2@aol.com
#8. Re: [E36M3] RE: Kumho compound material for V700's - from Mdriver13@aol.com
#9. Re: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? - from Ben Liaw - Rogue Engineering
#10. I talked to a Bilstein R&D guy on Friday... - from Chris Papademetrious

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Advice on Kumho Ecsta Supra 712's for wet driving - from Paci, Noah
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:09:56 -0500 From: "Paci, Noah" <npaci@rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Advice on Kumho Ecsta Supra 712's for wet driving I will also offer a negative recommendation on the Kumho's. It was a very honest lesson in you get what you pay for(if you are lucky). I did not like them, and as they aged they became very greasy, and they were practically useless in the rain after about 6 months. Oh and they were weak on the track as well. Noah Paci Vienna, VA Where it doesn't rain quite as much as Seattle, but I still wouldn't have kumho's again.

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#2. Re: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:08:46 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? On Dec 18, 2003, at 12:02 PM, Jamie Howton wrote: >>> I know someone who put a Quaife in an E46 330iA. It was, to put it > mildly, A Nightmare. > > What problems did they have? I've been contemplating this for my 330i, > haven't been able to rationalize the price yet though. There was (may still be) no Quaiffe made for that car. Everything was custom, and the shop doing the install really hacked it (just to make matters worse). It was easily a $10K+ (and I mean PLUS) disaster. - Mark

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#3. RE: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:55:27 -0600 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@fotofab.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dadgar [mailto:mark@pdc-racing.net] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:23 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:08:46 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? On Dec 18, 2003, at 12:02 PM, Jamie Howton wrote: >>> I know someone who put a Quaife in an E46 330iA. It was, to put it > mildly, A Nightmare. > > What problems did they have? I've been contemplating this for my > 330i, haven't been able to rationalize the price yet though. There was (may still be) no Quaiffe made for that car. Everything was custom, and the shop doing the install really hacked it (just to make matters worse). It was easily a $10K+ (and I mean PLUS) disaster. - Mark ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#4. RE: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:56:30 -0600 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@fotofab.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dadgar [mailto:mark@pdc-racing.net] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:23 PM <SNIP> >> There was (may still be) no Quaiffe made for that car. Everything was custom, and the shop doing the install >> really hacked it (just to make matters worse). >> It was easily a $10K+ (and I mean PLUS) disaster. <SNIP> Mein Gott!!! $10K, I'll bet that _still_ smarts... I wonder what would be involved in grafting in an LSD from an E-46 M3, or maybe an E-36 M3... Anyone got a wrecked E-46 M-3 with a good rear end that they want to let go of cheap?? Regards Jamie Howton 2002 330i 1995 M3

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#5. Re: 330i PP LSD - from KLchmn@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:39:16 EST From: KLchmn@aol.com Subject: Re: 330i PP LSD The 330i PP does not have a LSD. Weakest point on the car. Cheapest option is $3500 from Brett Anderson at Koala Motorsport. Ouch. I still love my PP, err, 330i PP that is. =8^P Cheers, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter '95 M3 #21 I-stock '03 330i PP daily driver

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#6. E36 S50/S52 flywheel interchangeability - from Adam Kim
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:32:22 -0800 From: Adam Kim <adamkim@mindspring.com> Subject: E36 S50/S52 flywheel interchangeability Anyone know if the 95 M3 flywheel is the same as the 96-99 M3? I thought they would be the same but turner motorsports has different part numbers.

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#7. FS: 98 M3 Coupe - from Shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:38:12 EST From: Shelhart2@aol.com Subject: FS: 98 M3 Coupe Group, O.k. this time I'm actually going to sell it. The proof: I have a 2002 911 with 10k I just purchased and it is being shipped from Washington DC. It was a owned by the father of a friend and he recently passed away. The son called me and offered the car for a great price. I love the M3 but have 3 children and find it a bit much to have the M3 and 911 while my wife drives the minivan. I'd like to pick up a used Passat for day driving. I love this car and almost sold it 3 months ago but couldn't bring myself to do it. The car: 1998 M3 Coupe Owned for 4 years (bought with 23k miles) Fl car from new Techno Violet - no paint work Excellent condition (some small stone chips on front end from highway driving) 84k highway miles Harmon Kardon with changer Power gray vaders Factory rear wing 235 40 17's all around with 6 month old Yoko ES100's 17x8" BBS RC wheels (purchased new and in perfect condition) 10/03 - New Red Stop Tech front 4 piston calipers, rotors and pads ($2k) New factory rear rotors and pads 4k miles ago Xbrace and front JTD strut tower brace New front control arms 5k miles ago 2003 - New front and rear Koni SA shocks and HR sport springs (TC KLINE Trackline kit) 2003- New ZKW headlamps (glass with protective coating) Conforti intake Dinan stainless exhaust and software (spare Dinan intake) Mobil 1 every 4k Meticulously cared for (Zymol, leatherique, etc.) Dealer / personally serviced with all records Current problem: Blown front left tweeter - due to underpowered amp and my tendency to play classical music loud $20,000. I will advertise over the weekend in the local paper to gauge interest. Email directly for pics. Shel Hart 1998 M3

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#8. Re: [E36M3] RE: Kumho compound material for V700's - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:49:46 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Kumho compound material for V700's In a message dated 12/18/03 1:09:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, kim.l.burgess@boeing.com writes: > Bob - I have been following the Kumho thread for a couple of years now, and > I believe you had the discovery of Kumho's old/new compounds as a purchaser > of 'mixed' batch/compounds. Did this ever get resolved? > Hi Kim, Yes that was me. When I noticed that one of my V700's had a different batch number, I called TireRack and they told me that somehow one of the 'old' compound tires ended up being sent to me. They replaced it ASAP. The 'newer' compound did wear a little better, but the V700's still suffer from excessive wear at the first groove in from the edge, IMHO. I now read that Kumho strongly recommends the tires be shaved for autox use, as well as track. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA BSP Champion '01 & '02 SM '03

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#9. Re: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? - from Ben Liaw - Rogue Engineering
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:30:25 -0500 From: "Ben Liaw - Rogue Engineering" <ben@rogueengineering.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? Actually, KAAZ makes a LSD unit for the E46 unit. $1400 without installation. For approximately $2k, you can purchase E46 M3 rear subframe components (control arms, axles, hubs) to be able to use the E46 M3 diff. Unfortunately, the E46 M3 diff weighs a lot more than the stock E46 diff. Regards, Ben Liaw - Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com 201-444-8150 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@fotofab.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: RE: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:56:30 -0600 From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@fotofab.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 330iPP limited slip? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dadgar [mailto:mark@pdc-racing.net] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:23 PM <SNIP> >> There was (may still be) no Quaiffe made for that car. Everything was custom, and the shop doing the install >> really hacked it (just to make matters worse). >> It was easily a $10K+ (and I mean PLUS) disaster. <SNIP> Mein Gott!!! $10K, I'll bet that _still_ smarts... I wonder what would be involved in grafting in an LSD from an E-46 M3, or maybe an E-36 M3... Anyone got a wrecked E-46 M-3 with a good rear end that they want to let go of cheap?? Regards Jamie Howton 2002 330i 1995 M3 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#10. I talked to a Bilstein R&D guy on Friday... - from Chris Papademetrious
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:59:17 -0500 From: Chris Papademetrious <chrispy@ieee.org> Subject: I talked to a Bilstein R&D guy on Friday... about bumpstops, and about the traffic on the various mailing lists about the bumpstops being too long. After some searching, he called me back and told me two very interesting things: 1. There is a Bilstein part number for a short bumpstop for the front struts (419350). 2. The old E36 M3 front strut part number has been superceded to a new model, and this new strut uses the above bumpstop. He confirmed this by going into their internal database and examining the breakout drawings for the new strut. We discussed what I could do with my front struts, given that I probably couldn't open them easily now that they have 60k miles or so on them. He suggested that I could return the struts for a normal strut dyno test/rebuild evaluation. As a matter of course during the dyno test, the struts are taken apart. He felt pretty sure that I could have the new bumpstops installed for nothing except the cost of the new part. I'm going to call the warranty department tomorrow and get a cost for this part number, and see if I really could get them installed during a dyno test (which I was planning on doing anyway). I will let everyone know. - Chris

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